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Why didn't the guy simply buy a dryer?!
Gosh, electricity in the UK is half as expensive as here! Hahahahha
Also, very well said about the national healy system!

A nice reading all in all
 
Right arm for washer and dryer??

why ? If you really want a US washer and dryer here look on ebay they are cheap to buy. Although I can appreciate there concerns about damp laundry hanging about I cannot understand why they do so, like Gabriele mentions above why not get a dryer and I know a lot a "Brits" do NOT iron anything let alone everything lol Ok so I like to iron and I have the time but not everyone has the luxury.

Austin
 
Gay Marriage Won't Be Legal In UK Until Next Year

Or did I miss something?

Yes, physicians and other healthcare professionals earn less on average in Britain than the US; but that is part of the NHS the poster so admired.

Dryers do exist, even in central London where this person lived. Mind you he/she probably may have to settle for a condenser or pay high electrical bills, but then again there is always gas.

Huge built in closets are truly an American invention. Though they have taken off around the world wardrobes/armoires are still very common.

Basements/cellars, some homes in England have them, but many others do not. Much depends on several factors including what is underneath the home. In an area that is damp or has a high water table you don't want a basement.

All an all sounds like a typical American whingeing on about how things are different "over here". Well they would be wouldn't they?
 
Launderess so eloquently put..!!

I wondered where the poster lived I assumed it was some small Essex/Sussex village as they say the train into London is an 8 min walk and did they also mention an hour to London itself?
What did confuse me though is why did they buy a house so small it had no room for a dryer nor walk in wardrobe both being available if enough dollar to fund ???
Your also spot on the nose some houses do indeed have basements/cellars I had one at my previous address but we had soft earth and no water table to contend with.

Austin
 
US vs UK

Interesting article, although not entirely accurate.

I beg to differ on the location Laundress (as I place a crash helmet on my head LOLOL), it is my impression that the author lives in a small town rather than in London, or even one of the smaller cities.

The point about laundry is complete nonsense - tumble driers have been a mainstream domestic item since the 1970s (and they were sold here since the mid 1950s) and there is a huge variety of models and types not to mention washer dryer combos - gas hardly figures though. I don't think people iron any more or any less here than in the US.

Although it might not seem like it to the likes of Laundress living in Manhattan in general properties are far more costly, much smaller, and much more close together (in new developments "detached" properties are often placed so close together they might as well be in a terrace) than in the US. However, there are large regional differences in property prices here (particularly although not exclusively north Vs south) just as there seem to be in the US.

I do think in general the cost of living (outside property prices) is somewhat higher than in the US from my experience of shopping both sides of the pond - I cannot comment on pay levels as I don't have sufficient knowledge of the US situation although I suspect that again there will be regional variations as well. Our sales taxes are much higher (20%) and are universal across the country, not just the state where the item was bought.

What does make a difference to the cost of living is our health service (with all its faults) as we are not obliged to pay health insurance (yes, I know its in our taxes) and, although there are some charges, I do not believe it is anything of the scale of the US. For example, just this week I visited the dentist, had a check up including x-rays, a filling and a clean, all for £49.00 or about $80.00.

Laundress makes a very valid point about basements, which are not common, even in the older housing stock, regarding the level of the water table. Many older terraces (pre WW1) hardly have foundations never mind basements - what is often forgotten these were usually speculative building developments built down to a price just as much as modern ones are.

I have seen much beautiful scenery, fine buildings and cultural venues in the US just as I have in the UK. I do not agree at all with the author's view that the UK is better than the US.

Gay marriage is not long established in this country, civil partnerships perhaps but not marriage.

But, I think the premise is flawed in any case - just because we speak (almost) the same language there is no reason in the world why we should not be different as there are vast differences in our historical and cultural influences. Each has its strengths and weaknesses - one is not necessarily better than the other.
 
Location

Forgive me it is early and only on my first cup of coffee. May not be central London but further out. Come of the comments mentioned CL so that maybe where I took the wrong turn.

Cost of living is probably higher for many things on this side of the pond because of VAT which is a national scheme and therefore more uniform. Sales taxes vary here by local area and even then things can be exempt.

Also while employed person do pay into Social Security and Medicare here, the amount is about 18% or so of total earned wages, IIRC most EU countries take a much higher percentage.

While yes, historically housing has been tightly packed together say in Manhattan, elsewhere things were usually further apart, but not always. Staten Island used to be known for low density, but that is changing in many areas.

Dental care here is very expensive, even for those with very good plans. Our Medicare nor the new "Obamacare" health plans cover dental. It is strange that many Americans make jokes about "British teeth", but this country is rapidly becoming nothing to laugh about. Many don't have any dental insurance and those that do find it pays for barely a yearly exam, cleaning and maybe a few fillings. Heaven help you if anything more is required.

Now that AirBnb and similar arrangements has one's friends staying in private homes where they would have booked a hotel when visiting Europe, one hears all sorts of complaints about how they do things differently over there don't they.

Aside from figuring out laundry and other appliances the biggest gripe seems to be about heat (not enough of it), and AC (not existent).

Long used to heating their homes to temps that allow them to walk around in shorts and socks indoors during winter, visiting Paris or even London during the cooler times of year can be a shock for many Americans. In summer it is the other way round; they want indoor temps to resemble frozen food halls of supermarkets.

Dryers are all over UK and such, don't know what that poster's problem was; all she/he had to do was go to any appliance shop or look in the Internet. Perhaps their gripe was having to purchase one instead of it already being fitted in the rented home.
 
18% Soc Sec & Medicare?

 
Social Security and Medicare is 7.65% of the employee's gross wages.  The employer matches the amount but as his own expense, not a deduction from the employee.  The aggregate total is 15.3%.

An additional 0.9% Medicare must be withheld on wages over $200,000, or $250,000 for married filing jointly, or $125,000 per individual married filing separately.
 
So given that there is so much money flowing to the health system in the US, why on earth is it the dearest place to get treatment?

 

A few key examples of general health care in Australia:

 

- Private health insurance is not generally employer provided

- Private health insurance, when paid for, may attract a government rebate of up to 30% (40% if senior citizen)

- Public health contributions are 1.5% (additional 1% if deemed 'high income' and additional 1.5% if no private health)

- A 'short visit', normally under 15 minutes, to a GP is around $70-85. Of that we can claim back 85% of the 'schedule fee', that is the fee the Government determines might be charged for a short visit. This is currently about $45, with a rebate of $36.80. $35-50 to visit the GP is pretty good when you look at average weekly wages in Oz.

- Some practices 'bulk bill', that is, they agree to charge the Government determined fee = no out of pocket for the patient.

- Medicines that are part of the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme are subsidised by the Government. This includes some of the most up to date cancer treatment therapies and the vast bulk of prescription medications. As an example, my last anti-biotic prescription cost $5.85 and my blood pressure medicine is $14.00.

- There are generally no out of pocket expenses for non-elective surgery if you are treated as a Public patient in a Public hospital. You will be in a shared room and not have a choice of doctor, but it is entirely possible your preferred choice of doctor may well be the one you get anyway.

- May fathers hip replacement was done through the Private system and cost him $10,000. He had to wait 3 months from diagnosis. This is deemed elective surgery (non-life threatening). The wait for the Public system was too long.

- On the other hand, the poor sod has been diagnosed with cancer of the Oesophagus in July. He was admitted, not being able to eat or swallow, via emergency within 24 hours. He has had 3 general anesthetics, 3 CT/PET scans, 3 weeks in hospital,  daily radiation for 2 months, has worn a chemotherapy bag (2 lines in one, in via vein in his shoulder to near his heart - the action of the heart passively pulls the chemotherapy medication into his system) for 3 months and is due to have another CT/PET scan in 2 weeks followed by double surgery in early December to 'cut and shut' the Oesophagus/Stomach and remove one of the adrenal glands which was inconclusive. This is major surgery, particularly given where it is and has been likened to being 'just short of the kind of work for open heart'.

 

- The above is free........and would be for any Australian or Permanent resident using the Public system.
 
That article is misleading in some ways.

London's one of the most expensive cities in the world and accommodation's hideously compact unless you're paying absolutely insane money.

I don't really think comparing London and some random place in the US is very reasonable. You'd have to compare it with New York City or something like that. I know from experience, a large part of NYC has very similarly low standards of overpriced accommodation to London. But, if being there's what you want, you compromise.

There are bigger homes, with tumble dryers, dishwashers and 'all mod cons' in England, Scotland, Wales and over here in Ireland (not all part of the UK, but rather similar) but they're not available in London at anything approaching affordable price levels.

Tumble dryers are most certainly widely available and if the writer wanted one, I'm sure it could be quite easily fitted in. Large capacity machines are also widely available and heat pump machines are becoming quite affordable so energy costs are kind of negated.

London's a fantastic city to visit, and a fantastic city to spend a few years in while you're young. However, unless you've inherited something fancy or are on seriously huge income, it's an awful place to live long term as the accommodation's just so expensive and the salaries for most non-financial sector high end jobs are too low. Even compared to Ireland, the salaries for many jobs are significantly lower. I was quite surprised at how low some were when I've browsed various jobs sites.

That being said, London has a lot of extremely wealthy people as it's one of the world's big financial industry hubs rivalling New York and Hong Kong.

I can access London, Paris and several other big European cities within 1:30mins from where I am. So, the compromise is living in a smaller city in Ireland, being able to run two cars, and having much more space and much better lifestyle in many respects is one that I am very willing to make. I just having to budget-in the odd flight to a major metropolis once in a while :)

Flights are cheap and our local airport's quite well served with European routes, so it's actually quite nice to be able to pop over to London, Paris, Barcelona, Berlin, Amsterdam, Rome, etc etc without having to think too much about it.

I can quite reasonably get up in the morning, go to Paris, London, Brussels etc and be home for dinner time (and have done that a few times for meetings etc)

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I've an Electrolux EWF 1698HEW washer - 9kg capacity - 1600RPM - steam etc and the matching EDH3498RDL dryer which is heat-pump based.

Capacity wise, they compare quite well to a typical US top loader, although perhaps not so well compared to some of the monster-front loaders but they're more than able to handle pretty much anything I could possibly need to launder!

I can certainly dump in a huge laundry basket load of towels or anything else and they've more than adequate space.

So, if someone has enough space for 2 standard machines in a European house, they should not have any issue getting a clothes dryer!

My folks had a dryer, my granny had a dryer, most of my friends' homes as a kid had a dryer so I don't think they were some kind of highly unusual object. They were usually found in the garage or utility room next to the washer.

Lots of exaggeration going on using extreme examples in that article.[this post was last edited: 11/7/2013-17:56]
 
Well Said MrX

If it was not for rent control laws New York City in particular much of Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn and Queens would be all but emptied out of *affordable* housing. Boston eliminated it's rent control laws and despite all the warnings and promises otherwise that is basically what has happened.

What NYC, Paris, London, San Francisco, and other urban areas have in common is they did too good a job of making themselves once again attractive places to live. The fact these are "global" cities attracting international attention does not help matters.

What you see often in all these cities is that while there were always "money" area, as more and more wealth pours into these new "safe" and wonderful places it causes development of what was once undesirable (but affordable) areas. This in turn pushes out what is left of anywhere for those not earning millions or otherwise substantial assets.

At least in UK and elsewhere in Europe there are decent to excellent train systems including HSR so one can live far out from city centers, but yet reach them in an hour or so. Failing that as MrX noted there is cheap air fare.
 
Unfortunately, high speed rail from Ireland's not really a viable proposition. We've some medium-speed rail between cities but that's about it. I don't think we're a particularly great example of European mass transit :D .. For the most part, we're completely car dependent.

There's no prospect of any tunnels being built anytime soon as the crossings would be much, much longer than the channel tunnel. The distances are significantly further than across the channel :) Also, if you ran a tunnel from Dublin to Britain it would land in a pretty remote part of North Wales and quite far away from SE England / access to France etc. It would be massively less convenient than flying, even if the train were running at 350km/h.

So, for us anyway, it's cheap air fares and lots of competition on short haul routes that makes Europe accessible.

But, I think one has to be careful in these kinds of articles that London is not typical of Britain anymore so than Paris is typical of France or New York or LA is typical of the entire USA. They just happen to be the places that most people happen to land in when they visit those places.
 
M'lady du pommel:

I have British Teeth. They followed me here somewhere around 300 years ago. Rather sturdy actually, but it looks like someone tied me to a wall and threw teeth at me until a couple dozen stuck. [italic] And I had braces! [/italic]

I love hearing about the houmeland. And making fun of their oblique spelling.

Oune might coume of the oupinion that Brits can't affourd hout water, what with the dear rates they pay for arky-sparky. It's could. It's a could place. (Leo McKern, Help.) Not near as cold as it could be. A spot north of Newfoundland, but on the gulf side of the labrador current. Hence the fog. Now why did Austin-Healy windscreen defoggers never work?

What exactly douse your kilouwatthour coust? Ours averages USD $0.12. Moust ouf us heat water with natgas. It's ever so much moure buckley-wuckley.
 
Bloody colonials

What affront! What cheek! By golly it is high time someone taught these rascalls a lesson in manners. Star spangled banner my jolly rump; I spangle stars all over your colonial behind, I'll have you know.
 
Oh I've known people who spangled, but I never.

Wait a tick Rapunzel, you're a colony too. Back then the motherland was casting off all kinds of rubble, Barney.

Worse yet I live in Texas, where at one time Louisiana sent THEIR rubble. Imagine, being judged unfit to inhabit New Orleans! The former French telling the former Brits where they can't live. Now THAT'S an insult!
 
You could raise terrorism concerns about any major piece of infrastructure really.
You've got to also put it into context, there have been fewer terrorism-related incidents in the Republic of Ireland than almost any other major EU country. Terrorism isn't really an issue that crosses most people's minds down here at all.

On top of that, the IRA etc etc are all pretty much inactive now due to the Northern Ireland situation having moved forward so far since the middle 1990s so, I wouldn't really think it would be any more of a concern than any other piece of infrastructure anywhere else.

The main reasons that it wouldn't ever be built are economic and technical.
The channel tunnel passes through chalk rock which is extremely easy to drill. It's a bit like putting a tunnel through cheese and it's also quite a shallow crossing and it's very short.

Contrast that with the Irish sea crossing from Dublin to Holyhead. First of all it's 120km vs 50km for the channel tunnel to France.
Secondly the Irish sea is a lot deeper and the seabed is a mixture of seriously hard rocks including granite which would make drilling very, very challenging.

Then on the economic side of it. The population of the Republic of Ireland's only 4.5 million and Northern Ireland 1.8 million so, 6.3 million on the entire Island of Ireland.

The crossing options would be Dublin-Hollyhead : Which takes you to a relatively remote part of North Wales which is still a long distance to London or SE England.
Or, Larne (Northern Ireland) to Stranraer (Scotland) which is an extremely remote point of Britain.

So, basically you'd end up with an astronomically expensive tunnel which took you to a remote rural part of Wales and then there are no HSR links from there to London.

To make matters even more "interesting" Ireland uses its own gauge for rails. They're slightly broader than international standard rails (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in / 1435mm) where as Irish rails are 5 ft 3 in (1600 mm). So, British trains couldn't even run over Irish tracks and visa versa without major complications and gauge-changing systems on the wheels.

So, I think we'll probably stick to flying for the foreseeable future!

At present this is as close as we get to HSR here up to 200km/h
These are the Intercity trains that run all of our long distance routes other than Cork-Dublin which has a pointier version.

I still prefer the train though in some ways to driving because you can kick back, get a bite to eat, a decent coffee and you've a power sockets and WiFi on board which makes the journey a bit more relaxing and productive than driving on a motorway.

That's the Cork-Dublin train :

Regular Intercity 22000 network trains : (all 'long distance' routes)

That's what commuter rail looks like in Cork (where I'm based). Ireland's second city (about 300,000 in the general vacnity so a far cry from London!)



Just thought I'd give you guys a flavour of what the place looks like :D

Here's the sprawling metropolis lol :



Finally :

My more usual way of arriving home:

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Love high-speed trains!

I can get to Milan in an hour, Florence in 30 minutes, Venice in 1,5 hours, Rome in 2 hours and Naples in 3,5 hours!
Even getting to Naples, unless using fast-lanes and preferred check-in at the airport, is quicker by train because you already are in the city centre!
And you don't even notice traveling at over 300 km/h!

And as MRX said if train is not an option, you can get anywhere in Europe for fares that 90% of the time are less than the local trains!!!! (A round trip to Rome is around 120€, I could spend the same or most of the time less to get to and from London or Paris with one of the low cost carriers!)
 
Unfortunately, all of our long distance trains here are still diesel. There's never been any electric HSR here as the population centres don't really justify the expenditure (or at least that's the excuse anyway).
So, we max out at 100mph diesel-electric.

I do like high-speed rail on the continent though. It's a lot more relaxing than flying, especially with all this post 9/11 security stuff (although I think we're a little less over the top than the TSA in the US)

But, to get back on topic. I think in general in Europe you'll find big cities are just very expensive so homes shrink. Most medium/small cities tend to have pretty decent size homes in my experience anyway and that's where the majority of the European population lives. We've a *lot* of small to medium cities quite close together in most counties. The only big exceptions are London and Paris really where there's huge centralisation.

Nice table on Wikipedia

Germany's mostly medium-sized / small cities and lots of them. Same with the Netherlands, Belgium, and much of Northern Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_urban_areas_of_the_European_Union
 
Rail links to London

I live about 200 miles away from London. Although this isn't a great distance compared with the US, it's considered a relatively long distance here. It's about 3 hours drive. It was certainly a strain when I was in a relationship with a guy from London.

I was in the capital last week for a gig - it took me 2 hours to get there on a direct train and only cost £8.90 each way on restricted, pre-booked tickets.

The UK doesn't yet have a major HSR train route. There is a big plan to impliment a HSR link to London from the major cities (Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh and Leeds I believe) in the very near future, but the cost of this is causing some controversy. However, as Gabriele has stated above, their are HSR links all over Europe. I can be in Amsterdam in 50 minutes direct from Leeds Bradford Airport and from there, I can get all over Europe by train.
 
Well, there's one true high speed link in the UK 'High Speed One' or the Channel Tunnel Rail link is full TGV-standard carrying EuroStar TGV-derrived trains and has high speed commuter trains on it (The Javelin)

200 miles would be considered huge distance to commute anywhere, including the US.

The only difference in the US is that people will tend to not think so much about driving cross-country. It doesn't take any less time though.

I occasionally drive from the South coast of Ireland to Southwestern France which is about 700km of driving and a 14 hour over-night cruise ferry link from Cork to Rosscoff which is actually a very pleasant way of starting a vacation.

Driving's fine if you're not in a rush.

Loads of Northern Europeans drive to the Mediterranean right across the whole continent every summer. It's not that different to the US in that respect really other than a lot of British and Irish people tend not to do it because of ferry crossings and having the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car.[this post was last edited: 11/8/2013-06:31]
 
There's a major economic reason for European high speed

I think many of us forget that the main reason for European (particularly French) focus on very high speed rail was quite simple : The 1973 oil crisis and a serious concern that the continents' transportation networks were massively dependent on aviation fuel and diesel.

The UK was less concerned because it had access to North Sea oil reserves where as France in particular had absolutely no oil and very limited natural gas reserves. That's one of the main reasons why they pushed ahead with massive investment in high-speed electrical rail.

France also pushed ahead with a nuclear power programme that's absolutely unprecedented anywhere. Over 75% of French energy is nuclear sourced!! That's become a bit more controversial these days as the love affair with nuclear energy has soured quite a lot since Chernobyl and Fukushima. But there are a whopping 58 nuclear power plants in France and over 185 in the European Union in general (nearly twice as many as the USA).

There's still new nuclear power coming on stream, especially in France and also probably in the UK if they ever get it through politically, but the big push is now really on renewables with an aim to have the entire EU on an average of 20% renewables by 2020. It's already well on the way.

So, the electric trains and all of that will still have a major role to play, even if nuclear energy ultimately phases out in the countries that use it.

The oil crisis legacy is also part of the rational for taxing energy quite highly to prevent future 'shocks' i.e. it squeezes energy consumption down quite low by making the cost of energy artificially high, so people invest in more efficient appliances and cars and it makes industries adapt to that mode of life while the governments get a big tax return which can go into ensuring there's investment in green energy etc (in theory anyway).

The tax 'cushion' also means that if there's a sudden spike in energy costs, we are able to reduce the % tax and keep them relatively stable. So, it all sort of makes sense in terms of economic forward thinking. At least, that's how it's supposed to work in theory anyway. However, it doesn't always work out in practice i.e. you get governments maintaining high energy tax while oil / gas prices rise.

In general in Europe though there's a huge political fear of an over-dependence on natural gas imports from Russia or on Middle Eastern oil as they're prone to problematic price hikes that can wreck your economy!
 
Thanks for all that info on high speed rail. My comment about the IRA was more tongue-in-cheek than serious. Here in Oz they've been talking about high speed rail at times, but with cheap air fares there is no real incentive to put in place the expensive infra-structure needed for HSR. I don't particularly like public transport and avoid it as much as possible, which is pretty much all the time. For me driving for three hours is nothing. I've driven 3000 km in less than 72 hours - it's no big deal, I love driving.

Europe is compact and Europeans have always relied heavily on public transport. I couldn't get over how clean and efficient the London and Paris subways were when I was there. Here in Sydeny they just can't get it right. Our trains are rarely on time, they smell and are grotty, they are cold in winter and hot in summer (they do have aircon supposedly), and they seem to attract mentally ill people. Public transport is expensive and takes me longer to get anywhere than it does by car.
 
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