User Review: Frigidaire 4474 Front-Loader

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Having lived with it for a few months, I thought I'd post a user review of the washer and its companion dryer.

Let's get this out of the way first: Things that aren't great about the washer.

1) Hot water setting is really warm (110 degrees). The machine fills with so little water that the wash cycle is really just a purge of the hot water line. I will occasionally purge the line by filling the washer, then draining and resetting the cycle. If hot water is selected and the incoming water is too cold, it will trigger the internal heater. But it only heats it to 105-110, so you're still not getting hot water.

To get a truly hot wash, I use the Allergy option (available only on the Heavy, Pet Beds, Kids Wear cycles). This heats the water to 132 degrees and adds about 20 minutes to the length of the cycle. Annoyingly, the Allergy option cannot be used in conjunction with a Pre-Wash or the Stain Pretreat setting. Again, one can let the cycle progress through Pre-Wash and Stain Pretreat, then cancel and reset the cycle, but that's a lot of fuss.

Another way to get a very hot wash is to use the Sanitize cycle, which heats the water to 152 degrees. Again, annoyingly, you can't use the Pre-Wash or Stain Pretreat options with this cycle, but it seems to remove all stains without the help of either of those cycle add-ons. This is now the cycle I use for loads of kitchen whites. Provides a great profile wash!

2) The Add Steam option doesn't seem to do much, except add 20 minutes of tumbling. I've never actually seen steam in the tub, although if you open the door, the clothes in the machine are warmer than the water in the tub, so something must be happening. Using the setting seems to improve cleaning a bit, but I've come to the conclusion that has more to do with the extra 20 minutes of tumbling in detergent than it does with steam. The Add Steam option happens during the wash portion of the cycle, except when using the Sanitize cycle, where it takes place during the first rinse. I don't use it very often.

3) The default wash times are too short. I always use the Max Soil setting, which adds about 6 minutes of wash time. Fortunately, the washer remembers cycle settings, so it's not something I need to fiddle with on every load.

My 'go-to' cycle for loads of greatly-stained kitchen whites is now Sanitize (1:47). I used to use Pre-Wash + Stain Treat + Heavy Cycle, but since the water never gets hot, the occasional greasy tomato-based stain wasn't fully removed. I now just use the Sanitize cycle, which gives you a great profile wash.

The whole hot water issue is moot for most loads; I don't need it for most loads.

OK, now for the things I like:

1) Cleaning (when wash time is lengthened) is excellent! I'm amazed that so little water can get loads so clean.

2) Capacity is off-the-hook. Interestingly, the Frigidaire website now lists the tub capacity as 4.4 cu. ft. When I bought the washer, it was listed as 4.8. Don't know what has prompted the change. I have washed a very heavy, bulky queen-sized comforter twice and it does a great job. Most of my loads fill the tub 1/2-2/3 full. It's nice to have the huge capacity when you need it, though. I can generally wash huge loads of whites only once a week, and I BobLoad® it with bath towels. Even tiny loads get proper lift-and-drop tumbling, as there is almost no standing water in the tub, just a sudsy foam.

3) The 1300 rpm spin speed is awesome. Drying time is reduced by about half compared to clothes spun in my 02 Frigidaire (950 rpm).

4) The balancing protocol is not too long, especially for the first two spins. It takes only 1-4 minutes for most loads. If a load is more unbalanced than it likes, it will do a few very low-speed interval spins to remove excess water, then tumble a bit and take off. The tub is so large that there isn't much room within the cabinet for it to be out-of-balance.

5) The recirculation which takes place is a great feature. Even very bulky or extra-large loads are completely saturated quickly, either with detergent-rich water, or fresh water (rinses).

6) The machine uses so little water (13-14 gallons for most loads) that I don't mind adding a Fresh Water (extra) Rinse for loads that have been dosed with liquid chlorine bleach or extra detergent. The Fresh Water rinse is a third rinse.

7) If your wash loads are relatively lightly soiled, default cycle times are short. Casual (Perm Press) is 37 mins; Normal is 40; Heavy is 47. Add 5-10 mins. for balancing protocols. Even with that, the cycle times are short.

8) Good value for money. You get a lot of high-end features for the approximately $1850 cost of this TOL set. I received a $50 rebate from my local utility, and another $200 from the state of Minnesota, which brought down the price to $1600. Considering a TOL LG or Whirlpool/Maytag washer costs around $1600- $1700 on its own, getting the pair for $1850 was a relative bargain!

The Dryer: No complaints. Huge capacity, dries evenly, and doesn't over-dry. The Add Steam (which adds steam when load is nearly dry, but still heating) and Anti-Static (which sprays a bit of steam into the cool down) options get frequent use.

Add Steam cuts down on wrinkling. I use it for loads of shirts, pants, etc. Not needed for loads of bath towels or kitchen whites.

Anti-Static means no more static-cling for loads of dress shirts or man-made fibers, especially important since I no longer use fabric softener. An item or two will emerge with damp spots, but they dry quickly and leave no water mark.

The 15-minute Steam Refresh cycle gets used almost daily, especially with pants, which get wrinkled but not dirty. It's also a great way to get wrinkles out of shirts worn for only a couple of hours.

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What a beautiful set of twins!!!! I would have bought the drawers to raise the set up a bit and make the loading and unloading easier.I saw that Sears had a lower end set that were $649 each and the dryer drum is white instead of SS.
 
Besides the allergy cycle, how hot are the "whitest whites" or "quick sanitize" cycles? Do they trigger the internal heater?
I probably would be interested in this machine, however there are times when hot water is needed.
 
All "hot" water temps on any cycle (except Sanitize) are 105-110 degrees. If the incoming water is colder than that, it will heat the water to 105-110 degrees.

Although there is a Whitest Whites cycle, it is no different than the Heavy Cycle. The Whitest Whites cycle on some machines automatically adds an extra rinse, as they figure you're using more detergent/liquid chlorine bleach. This machine does not. You have to add the extra rinse yourself.

The only way to get truly hot water is to use the Allergy option (heats to 132 degrees) or the Sanitize cycle (heats to 152 degrees.
 
Alex---

The bulky cycle doesn't seem to add any extra water, but there is more recirculation of water. You can add a little more water to any cycle by choosing the MAX FILL option, but I've only used it once. It didn't seem to enhance cleaning or rinsing, so I don't use it.

I haven't tried the Quick Sanitize cycle. I should do that. I'm guessing that, like the regular Quick cycle, there is only one rinse. But that's just a guess. The regular Sanitize cycle is 1:47, and Quick Sanitize is supposed to take only an hour. I'll try it sometime and report back.

Laundromat---

I didn't buy the pedestals because I need to use the top of the washer & dryer for folding, etc. There's a cupboard hanging directly above the them (not visible in the above photo), and I would have had to take that out in order to use pedestals.
Every time I have to reach way in to the back of that huge tub to grab something, I think "Boy, pedestals would have been nice!" LOL.
 
Lawrence---Now, why didn't I think of that?! Up to this point, I've been considering it my bending/stretching exercise for the day, LOL.

However...I managed to hurt myself twice yesterday; once when I slipped on the ice blowing snow in the driveway, and again when I was carrying a huge load of laundry down stairs and missed the last step. Both my knees, my right ankle and my right elbow feel like they've been pummeled with baseball bats. I have no aspirin or Aleve in the house, and won't be able to go anywhere 'til this crazy blizzard is played out this afternoon.

I'm making food for a big co-hosted Christmas party at a friend's house this evening, and I still have to blow out my amazingly-drifted driveway, again. Oy vey, if this is what NFL players go through each week, no wonder they get addicted to pain pills.

At any rate, I may just use my pair of barbecue-length tongs to reach for those small item at the back of the tub, for a few days. I feel like a 90-year old, LOL.
 
Thank you for the review. Were my 2140 to die suddenly, I think I'd replace it with this washer or from one in the same family (4472 or 4473). A trend I have noticed is for local discounters here to sell 4473 and 4474 for the same price. Go figure. I would feel confident buying one from this group based on your thorough evaluation.

There is one deal-breaker for me: my machines have to stack. There are along the back wall of the garage, and there is a code-required bollard (steel pipe filled with concrete, embedded in the slab) right in front of the washer space. It's 32" high, tall enough to block a FL door even if on a pedestal. My work-around was to place a stackable pair in the dryer space, thus avoiding the door. I don't mind having to stoop for the washer, and the dryer is conveniental located at chest height (I am 5'10"---someone shorter might have issues with a stacked dryer).

As far as you know, does Frigidaire make a stacking bracket for this model?
 
Jim: Here's a photo from the installation manual. To answer your question: Yes! They can be stacked.

I strongly suggest you get a model with an Allergy option or cycle and a Sanitize cycle. The owner's manual shows the control panel for the 4472, 4473 and 4474. The '72 and '73 are shown to have an Allergy cycle (which would heat water to 132 degrees.)

HOWEVER, an Allergy cycle is not listed in the product features/specification list. I'd call Frigidaire (or stop by a dealer and check out the control panel) to be sure the '72 and '73 have an Allergy cycle on the dial.

'Allergy' is an option which can be added to certain cycles (Heavy, Sanitize, Pet Beds, Kids Wear) on my machine, the '74.

It would appear all three models have a Sanitize cycle, but that's quite a time commitment, and you don't always need 152 degree hot water. 132 degrees is plenty hot for most applications.

I would not recommend one of these washers without the 132 and 152 degree wash options. If you've seen the '73 and '74 for the same price, definitely go for the '74.

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Frigidaire vs. Electrolux

Thanks Eugene. Interesting, I am seeing some major price drops in Electrolux washer prices, with the basic white machine with button (non-touchscreen) controls dropping here to $780 or so. For several years, the price never seemed to drop below $1200, then it went to $1100 and stuck there for about two years.

I wonder if the new Frigidaire series is exerting downward pressure on the Electrolux brand prices? Electrolux does offer a unique reversible washer door, which seals the deal for some folks (depending on where they place the washer, this can be a deal breaker). The existing BOL Electrolux models are about three years old, and lack some of the features (steam, etc.) of the new Frigidaire line. Possibly Electrolux is planning to update its line, which would explain why these "older" models are now suddenly lower priced (same thing happened to the last generation of Affinity washers about a year before the new Frigidaire models appeared this year...also the older Affinities garnered poor reviews, with CR stating they were inferior to the even older 2140/2940---2940 was a Best Buy choice for many years in a row). Electrolux does still have a still claimed capacity edge, 4.7 vs 4.2-4.4 cu ft for Frigidaire.

Because my workaround requires stacked configuration, and because I am average height (5'10"), the vertical dimensions of the units are an issue. Electrolux washers are I think 38" high, so that the top of the stack is 6'4", rather than six feet even with a Frigidaire stack. Of course I could reach the dryer controls, but I am not certain that unloading the dryer would be easy or comfortable if it were four inches above where it is now. I would need to see a stack of the units in a showroom to know for sure (Pacific Sales in our area has a showroom area with several makes of washers/dryers in stacked configuration, so potential buyers can check them out for ergonomic fit). If I went with Frigidaire, I'd have the same dimensions as I now have, which are perfect. I know someone who owns an appliance store who told me several customers who ordered Electrolux machines to stack had to return them because the stack was too tall for them. I suppose a very tall customer would think an Electrolux stacked pair is the best thing in the world.

Re: 132 F Allergy cycle: I agree, for most folks, this is all they would ever need and, from your report, it doesn't appear to add that much time to the cycle. My hot water heater is next to the washer and the temp is about 140F, so my guess is that a non-ATC hot water wash would deliver water in the 130s-range. Does your washer have a non-ATC hot option? Or is ATC mandatory on "hot"? If so, I wonder if Allergy cycle simply overrides ATC and then boosts the temp if incoming hot water is less than 132 F? I.e. is Allergy cycle basically an override of ATC-Hot??

My 2140 lacks ATC, so when I wash on "Hot", I am washing in the 130s if I prime the line. I do this in one of two ways:

1. Start a Hot cycle with empty machine. Once the window steams up (evidence of hot water in the tub), cancel/drain the cycle and load the clothes and run a cycle. I learned this technique from board member golittlesport. He has a 2940 with ATC, but I believe ATC was for warm and cold temps only...ATC did not have a chance to "dumb down" the Hot setting. Selecting "hot" delivers hot water line water, so if he wanted true water line hot, he'd prime the line using this method.

2. The garage wall/pipes where the machines reside is shared/common with the kitchen sink and dishwasher on the other side of the wall. I can run the kitchen faucet until the water comes out hot, and that too seems to prime the washer hot water line.

I think you are spot-on to call the company with feature questions before assuming that the control panel depicted in the manual will be YOUR control panel/features!! Or at least inspect a real live machine in a showroom. I had a similar experience nine years ago with my Bosch dishwasher. The "Integra Design" (hidden controls) line had just been introduced a week earlier, and the showroom had no machine on display---only a retailer's guide. I ordered a BOL model with three cycles, which I "thought" were PowerScrub, Normal, and Rinse/Hold.

When it arrived, it had the first two cycles plus "Quick Wash", but no Rinse/Hold. Turns out there were two BOL models, one with Quick Wash and one with Rinse/Hold, and there was a misprint in the features guide Bosch provided to the retailers. The model shipped to me with Quick Wash wasn't even listed in the model guide.

For me it turned out to be a lucky mistake. This was my first high performance dishwasher (moving up from a builder-basic GE Potscrubber POS) and I had no idea that Rinse-Hold was no longer necessary....even with dried on goop, Bosch will get everything clean. Second, Quick Wash is useful for entertaining (cycle takes about 35 minutes) or for baking, where you have bowls and measuring cups with some sugar or flour on them, but no heavy dried-on or cooked-on goop. I had grown up with a 1962 KA, which may have been TOL at the time, but if you had a half full machine, you ran Rinse-Hold to keep stuff from sticking, otherwise it wouldn't come clean. If/when my current DW dies, I would never pay extra for Rinse/Hold, it's unnecessary in a high quality DW.

[note for appliance historians: Bosch already had an "Integra" DW prior to Fall 2001, but it was TOL and priced at about $1400-1500. In late 2001, Bosch extended the Integra (hidden controls) concept to machines with BOL and MOL features, calling the line "Integra Design" and starting them at $600 MSRP for a three cycle BOL model. I bought one of the $600 models, which offered a choice of black or white all-metal front panel; SS was $100 extra. Fully integrated MOL and TOL machines which accepted custom panels were also offered at this time, vs. the original Integra which offered only metal front panels].
 
You pay extra....

....for 'Rinse hold'?

Appliances may be cheap in the US, but I can appreciate why sometimes for that is one feature that is standard on every dishwasher sold here regardless of price...
 
Cycle Update: QUICK SANITIZE

I finally tried one of the Frigidaire 4474's 'specialty cycles', Quick Sanitize. It defaults to the sanitize water temp, extra-light soil, max spin speed. It clocks on at 59 minutes.

Interestingly, the screen says "WASHING" during the 44-minute wash portion of the cycle. The screen reads "SANITIZING" when you use the full-length, NSF-certified Sanitize cycle. The water was 138 degrees coming out of the drain hose. I'm sure there was some cooling of the water as it routed through the drain system, but I have my doubts the water temp reached 152 degrees during the wash. This is followed by one rinse and a final spin.

However, this cycle is another good way to get truly hot water in a reasonable 59-minute cycle. You'd have to follow this single-rinse cycle with a FreshWater Rinse cycle (rinse and spin), which would add another 15 minutes. The Quick Sanitize cycle doesn't allow you to opt for an extra rinse.

Were I to use this cycle for loads of highly stained kitchen whites (adding liquid chlorine bleach), I'd follow it with a 20-minute Quick Wash cycle, which would give you two water changes, thus a total of three rinses. The combined cycles, clocking in at 1:19, would still be substantially shorter than the NSF-certified Sanitize cycle (1:47, which includes an extra rinse, since I use LCB).
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For what's it worth: the new GE Tidal Wave (-> same as LG WaveForce) top load washer has a sanitize temp of 140F (per user's manual). Its Sanitize cycle is also NSF certified. Could well be that the Frigi heats to 140F as well and can still get a NSF certification. 138F is pretty close...
 
My red Affinity gets super hot during the sanitize cycle.I pour extra water in using an older Tide HE bottle and hot water from the tap. I have poured as many as 5 gallons more water down the dispenser cavity.The water level goes just above the lower area of the window. Similar to the commercial/European models.
 
@ronhic

The entry level Bosch DWs here have three cycles: PowerScrubPlus, Normal, and Quick. No rinse/hold. I was aghast when my DW arrived: I thought I had ordered Rinse/Hold, but neither I nor the dealer understood that Bosch offered TWO entry level models, one with Rinse/Hold and one with Quick Wash.

[I have an Integra DW with hidden controls---in that sense, it was $100-150 more than the basic BOL front control panel models, but the feature set--three cycles and 52-4 dB---was entry level and the same as the front control models.]

Over time, I am glad I have Quick Wash. Bosch cleans so thoroughly on the two longer cycles that I can take a week to fill the DW and even dried-on dishes come out perfectly clean. In other words, there really is no need for Rinse/Hold, which was necessary in older or less efficient dishwashers. At least not needed on a Bosch.

I grew up with a 1961 KA which, while advanced for its era, definitely needed a Rinse/Hold cycle if the machine was only half filled after supper. However, my Bosch can clean week-old dried-on oatmeal bowls that were not pre-rinsed, using the Normal cycle, so once you get used to the cleaning power of a Bosch, you'll never use Rinse/Hold again. I have friends with MOL Bosches, which do include Rinse/Hold, and they never use the cycle.

Quick Wash is adequate for a fast 30 minute cycle when one has been baking (i.e. cleaning measuring cups and spoons, mixing bowls) where nothing is baked-on or dried-on. Also good in a party situation, both for lightly soiled items (say, you're having a crowd over for coffee/dessert) or heavier items if pre-rinsed. Some higher end companies like Miele have a quick cycle that they've named "Party" because it runs in only half an hour, but I suspect it's a permutation of Bosch's Quick Wash.
 
I think I've used Rinse & Moild on my Kenmore Elite Tall Tub 3 times in the 4 years I've had it. Just like Jim, my dishes sit for days and days on end. I've noticed several of the new Enmore elite HE wash system machihnes with the Powerwash (???) system do not have R&H, only the top two models I do believe. I've also noticed severral of the Kitchenaids which don't' have a filter also don't have R&H any more.
 
WTF!?

I wandered over to Consumer Reports online to see if any new washers have been tested. The answer: Yes.

To my astonishment, the new Frigidaire Affinity models have dropped down to the bottom one-third of the rankings, and the score for the TOL 4474 dropped from 79 (or thereabouts) to 65. I can understand the machine moving down in the ranks if newer models from other brands test better than it does, but why the drop in its score? That should remain consistent. All of the "red dot" ratings are the same; only the numerical score has been altered.

When the 4474 first appeared on CR's online list back in August, it was ranked higher than all the older Frigidaire models, and it was in the top one-third of the list. Now, it's ranked lower than the old Frigidaire models.

Funny, I haven't noticed a drop in performance in my machine, LOL! In fact, the 1:45 (including extra rinse) Sanitize cycle has yet to leave so much as a trace of any stain behind in my mega-sized loads of highly stained kitchen whites.

I think this warrants an e-mail to the wizards at CR for an explanation...

UPDATE: I sent CR an e-mail, questioning the change in model 4474's total score. I also asked why, when it was previously ranked above all older/previously tested Frigidaire models, it has now dropped below them. I requested a reply, and will share it with you if/when one is received.[this post was last edited: 1/24/2011-16:21]
 
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