Very Interesting Miele Pair

[westtexman]

Okay, so they state that they purchased this set in the UK, and that it needs to be "converted" for use in the US.

Is it possible to just have my house wired for the pair? If so, this would be just what I've always wanted!!!!

Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[nmaineman36]

They really dont have to be converted to 110 volts. But I think that they are 50 hz machines. Plus the dryer is a condenser dryer..not vented. The tip off is the tray on the top corner of the dryer. They are nice just the same.

 

[launderess]

Depends

According to the owner's manual, these units are European 220v/240v machines. Probably 50hz, but may run on 60hz, if electroics, motherboard and motor are "universal".

Miele USA normally does not have information on units sold from other countries, but you can give them a ring tomorrow morning and ask.

Better still, get up early this morning and contact Miele UK's customer service. Explain you are moving house to the United States and wish to take your machines with you, and want to know if they will work. It is a common enough query Miele hears all the time so you won't seem "odd".

Some early Miele appliances did'nt care if the 220v power was European or American, and have heard Miele is moving towards building more units that with minor adjustments to onboard electronics, can work anywhere in the world, thus eliminating the cost of producing special units for individual markets. Hopefully the above set will fit that bill.

Oh and other thing:

Most sellers of European appliances don't have a clue what they are talking about. Many people have purchased Miele washers, dryers, and ironers that are designed to run on 220v, and were told by sellers they can be coverted to run on 110v, only to find out it is not possible.

Best of luck!

L.

 

[toggleswitch2]

Worst case scenario is that one buys a motor-generator to produce the requisite 220v 50hz AC (with one hot and one neutral leg) from American 220v 60hz power that has two hots.

And we know that the W&D are able to use a (ONE)North American 220v 30a line as typically found on a U.S. dryer. So the capacity needed would not be more than 30a.

Looks like the 6kw would do.....

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[launderess]

Interesting Miele's owner's manuals for washing machines and such now simply state "see serial plate" for electrical requirements.

That being said, it is correct, the serial plate will state all power requirements including volts/watts and frequency. May also state if the motor is dual frequency or pure 50hz. Since the units are still crated, doubt if the seller is going to unpack them, open the door and get the serial plate information, or take a snap.

While it would be nice to have a uber-sized Miele washer that ran on 220v, keep in mind while bidding that the washer is the same as the unit already sold in the United States, though it runs on 110v. Some cycles and such might be different, however basically the same machine.

Have a Miele "Service and Repair" manual coming, but don't think it will cover these new models.

L.

 

[westtexman]

I looked up this Model number on the Miele web site, and was surprised to find out that this is only a 6KG machine! It looks almost identical to the huge American Mieles, but I guess it's close to the original. Very interesting!

 

[MrX]

A motor-generator set would have to be huge to produce enough power to run that machine.

Both appliances will suck in about 2800W at their maximum consumption.
Motor-generator sets aren't very efficient, so you'd be consuming something like 60 to 70% more energy than just using the machine directly connected.

Its possible that the machine will be happy enough on US 240V 60Hz with two hots. However, it's certainly not within its designed specifications. You could end up causing problems for the motor, the pump or the electronics.

 

[frontloader812]

Hi guys if it's the same model which is available in Australia it is no where near the size of the jumbo machines you have in the US i wanted to climb into one that I saw at PC Richards in New York. Our model spins at 1600 rpm is a nice looking machine but cant be stack the door is a composite chrome plate no metal
JIm

http://www.miele.com.au/au/domestic/products/washingmachines_models_17221.htm

 

[chestermikeuk]

Miele...

Hi Bryan, now these would be a fine pair to have, and for the price (assuming its for the pair??) a little uneasy that the price refects what could be an issue with the 50hz etc, I spoke with a Miele teccy this afternoon and he said the 60hz would be a problem with the circuit boards as these are 50hz machines, BUT, to confirm with Miele USA for final solution / option...

The max rated load on these machines are 2.4kw for the Washer and up to 2.85kw for the Dryer, along with this the condenser will take longer to dry clothes than possibly what you are used to even with the fast spin etc...

Would make a grand pair to have though!!let us know how you get on!!! cheers, Mike

http://www.thewashingmachineplace.co.uk/productCategory.aspx?category.id=200

 

[MrX]

Personally, I wouldn't advise shipping those to the US. The electrical differences are very significant, particularly the frequency of the supply. Also, a US 240V supply would possibly have a slightly higher maximum voltage than a standard European 230V 50Hz supply which usually sits slightly below 230V.

Also, remember that in Europe the machine would normally be connected to an outlet that provides 230V (hot) 0V (Neutral) and 0V (PE/Ground). That being said, ALL European appliances are designed to work in either polarity i.e. they do not need polarised plugs. So, there is no risk of any danger to you should you use it with a supply that has two hots such as those found on US 240V outlets. Just always make sure that you fully remove the plug before servicing the machine or exposing any of its internal components.

The machines will have the following core colours in their supply cables :

Live (Hot) - Brown
Neutral - Blue
Earth (Ground) - Green/Yellow stripes.

If you are not using the original UK plug (which contains a fuse) each machine needs to be connected to a circuit protected with a 16amp breaker or fuse. Failure to provide proper fusing or connecting it directly to a 30Amp circuit would leave you exposed to a risk of fire should the machine's cable ever become overloaded!!

It should also be connected to an 30mA RCD (GFCI)

You'd have a serious problem if either machine went on the fritz due to the power supply as you'd have completely voided the Miele warranty and parts guarantee by using it with an incorrectly specified voltage / frequency.

That being said, if you are willing to take the risk, it might work fine. I would stress "MIGHT though.

 

[launderess]

My Pfaff "electronic" ironer runs on 220v/50hz, and is quite happy on this side of the pond. Indeed at a recent service call, the unit was fine except for user caused damage and a few other minor, but normal things arising from age.

Pfaff ironer pulls about 2500 watts for heater, and 90 watts for the motor. Boiler for steam uses 1000 watts. Unit has a standard Amercian dryer "220v" plug, fitted on when purchased from the original owner's family.

Back to the Miele:

IIRC, the units are already in the United States. Seller states he purchased them to have installed,but things didn't work out.

Am wondering though how and why seller has UK Miele appliances in the United States. Unless he moved house from the UK and had a VERY generous moving allowance, inculding a very spacious shipping crate.

Being as all that may, it is not uncommon for European appliances to arrive on these shores. Aside from my Pfaff, have seen serveral "European" only Miele units on eBay, as well as AEG and a few others.

Certian Miele appliances do not care how they get their 220v. Older 220v models of the Miele ironer for instance,will run anywhere in the world on 220v power.

Didn't notice the units are only 6kg capacity. In which case I wouldn't bother, unless one nabbed them for a good price. Any savings from not purcashing Miele USA units can be wiped out by any special installation costs. If you do decide to go ahead, do yourself a favour and contact Miele USA and see if they can get parts and will offer serivce on these UK units. Should also ask, since these are MIB units, will Miele USA honour the warranty

 

[eddy1210]

Steve maybe you know

Is there an easy way to convert our 2 hot lead 240V to a single hot, neutral and ground? What would happen if we just joined the 2 hots together to the single on the euro appliance and then connect neutral and ground?