Very Strange TL-Horiz-Axis Washer Commercial

[veg-o-matic]

Hungarian? Japanese? You be the judge.

Warning: if you are offended by a baby peeing, do not watch this!

veg

http://www.bcpl.net/~rpope/haxis.mpg

 

[toggleswitch]

I wonder if they are saying something like... "and what would YOU do without clean clothing?"

 

[foraloysius]

Cool movie!!!

Actually that is a rebadged AEG. Here's a picture of an older AEG Novamat. This AEG somehow doesn't have the fabric softener dispenser on the right, but it does have the space for it in the lid.

 

[foraloysius]

Here's a picture with the lid closed. And yes, Hajdu is probably Hungarian.

 

[jetcone]

Louis Horizontal TL Question

How do they suspend the tub and not let water splash out between the lid and the tub top?
Does the wash basket oscillate inside the outer tub and the outer tub is fixed to the cabinet?
Or does the outer tub move with the wash basket?
And if the outer tub moves inside the cabinet with the basket, then what is the seal between the lid and top of the machine?

My Staber had a completely open outer tub at the top and the outer tub + wash basket moved together. And so hanging down from the top cabinet were long rubber plates that just fit inside the outer tub but just outside the wash basket. Like mud flaps on a big truck.
As long as the load was not too unbalanced the plates kept their place and kept the splash in, but on several occasions they popped out of the outer tub and water sprayed all down the inside of the machine.

 

[foraloysius]

Good question!

Jon, actually these little AEG toploaders don't have suspension but they stand on wheels with springs. That is what's so funny about these washers, when they start spinning the whole cabinet shakes, they sort of perform a little dance! I have a newer version of this machine and it does the same. You can hardly watch it, you almost go dizzy when you keep watching it for a longer while.

Other H-axis toploaders have an extra lid on the outer tub (my Philips toploader has that) but most have a rubber seal that connects the outer tub to the cabinet.

 

[jetcone]

Ahhh

That makes sense now, I am designing a new H-axis top loader concept machine and that tub to cabinet top will take some kind of innovation if the machine is to have a beefy suspension to it.

I just want to have two lids to open, the cabinet and the basket.

 

[foraloysius]

WHAT????

You're designing an H-axis toploader and I have to read it here? LOL Mister Jetcone, it's good that I'm not in a slapping mood, otherwise Aloysius would be awake instantly!!!

 

[askomiele]

A little request

Okay you're designing topload h-washers. I've some requests. Please use stainless steal for drum tub and baffels. Make the controles simple and versatily. Don't give rare name's to the programes but just use fabric names like COTTON or SYNTHETIC. And please design one that can heat the water up as reasonable temperatures and has front service acces. AND DON'T FORGET TO ADD A FILTER BEFORE THE PUMP, it will save the pump from getting hurt of coin's and stuff and prevent clogging draining pipes. And last but not least, don't forget to lock the drum at top position at the end of the cycle, it's saver for us who use them.

In europe you can find them like this but in smaller versions, maybe it's time to creat an american sized one.

 

[foraloysius]

I wonder if this patent is the problem for bringing more H-axis toploaders out on the American market. Whirlpool never brought it on the market though.

 

[jetcone]

Louis

I don't think that patent would prevent anybody from making an H-axis T/L here. That patent describes a drive mechanism for a T/L.

There is an H-axis machine already made here that has Stainless Steel everywhere, simple controls. And they have been around for 10 years so if Whirlpool had the market cornered then they wouldn't be in production today.

I had two units but I was not impressed with the excution of design on them. Neither was my tenant with her unit. These were real knuckle scrapers for sure! No lock mechanism on the tub at 12 o'clock!!

My design is going to be different with two huge windows so you can SEE Whats going on. I have a 1940's patent for a similar machine that was never made. I'll dig it out this weekend and stick it up here.

Ducking the slapping from Groeningen...................

 

[foraloysius]

An H-axis toploader with TWO windows? That I want to see!!! I'm looking forward to the patent. Does this machine have suspension?

 

[jetcone]

Here we go 2 windows

This machine has a pedigree. It was invented at Bendix by one of the two originators of the worlds first Automatic Front Loader Mr. Chamberlain & Mr. Bassett.
This machine was invented in 1945 and it is novel in that it has two windows and the tub is allowed to oscillate inside the stationary outer tub and it moves about a center point at the apex of a triangle of iron using the motor as a couter weight to the tub.

 

[jetcone]

Second Image

Here's another page showing the tub mounted inside the stationary outer tub. The gears are elliptical so that it would create non regular tumbling. Something that can be done very easily today with electronic drives.

 

[jetcone]

Heres the 3 rd Pic

Here is how the drum door latches open and closed on the washer basket:

 

[jetcone]

And the 4th page

Here is the tumble rate shown against the gear position on the transmission.

 

[jetcone]

You can see it would have been

a very expensive machine to build for several reasons:
1) elliptical gears are very hard to cut
2) the tub door system requires 3 layers to the tub to work
3) the balance system takes up a 1/4 of the cabinet space so it would have had a very small tumbler
4) the space between the windows allows wash water to collect and pretty soon you would not be able to see anything inside there.

 

[foraloysius]

Very interesting design!!!

They were way ahead of their time with this design! I love the variable wash speed. Miele does that indeed with electronics now. Bendix user a larger range of speeds though, interesting how the laundry gets sort of spun at 80rpm.

The window is a nice feature, but in this design I assume you still weren't able to see the clothes tumble. I think the front of the inner drum would have to be closed to prevent small items from dropping into the outer one. This design also needs a lot of water because the inner drum has to be able to move inside the outer drum. Didn't GE have the same system for some of their V-axis toploaders?

The way the door opens and closes is very unpractical. If you would wash heavy towels in this machine I bet you wouldn't be able to get them out again because they would be in the way between baffle #60 and flap #68.

I guess it wouldn't be hard to improve this machine. Inner and outer tub on the same suspension, frontloader drum with an opening on the front and a window in the outer tub that can be viewed through an opening in the cabinet.

BTW Jon, sheet #3 is missing. Do you have that as well? Thanks for sharing this with us. Interesting stuff for an H-axis toploader advocate as I am.

Louis

 

[jetcone]

Louis

The tub has a window!!, look closely at the side section on page#1 Figure #2 item #24 is a glass window which is supposed to be parallel to the outer window in the cabinet.

Yes I agree 80RPM is fast for wash, I never thought of towels jamming the door mechanism!! But if you included an anti pasting cycle before the final spin that would solve the problem.

Jon

 

[jetcone]

Here's sheet 3

I didn't include it because it has the gear train layout.

 

[jetcone]

Now look at paragraph 3

There is a window and a big one!

 

[foraloysius]

Thank you Jon for posting these sheets too! What a pity they didn't refine this design, the appliance market could have looked very different nowadays, although ofcourse the Launderal didn't change much.

There is another reason for the trap doors opening to the outside, in that way they prevent small items to fall between the drums while (un)loading.

Poor Veg, we hijacked your thread. That movie is really funny!!! Thank you very much for posting it!!!

Louis

 

[veg-o-matic]

Louis, no wonder you're my favorite Dutch import!

veg

 

[foraloysius]

Oy, now you made me blush! :">