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An appliance store owner I know put it this way: Selling more product is what impresses corporate boards, as well as the stock market and shareholders. In light of that, a company is far more motivated to sell new washers than they are to sell parts to keep used washers running.
 
Spider and Bearing Failures

WOW where to begin, Almost all washing machines have critical parts made of various grades of aluminum and it is usually the part that supports the drum or basket. The aluminum spiders that are used in FL washers today will seldom ever fail in the life of the washer IF THE MACHINE IS USED PROPERLY manufactures test these machines thoroughly and even use them in commercial environments and they almost never have a spider failure. It is when they get in a consumers hands and they continually use poor washing tech nicks that the problems occur.

 

Biggest single problem TOO LITTLE DETERGENT

 

Second biggest problem TOO COLD WATER TEMPERATURE FOR GOOD CLEANING

 

Third problem NO CHLORINE BLEACH USE these problems coupled with leaving the machine closed tightly and sometimes excessive fabric softener use more often that not spell mold and odors,  spider failure, water seal and bearing failure.

 

Other thoughts

 

It will likely do little or no good to try to coat the aluminum spider in an attempt to prevent corrosion, washer manufactures tried this when aluminum water pumps etc were still in broad use and it helped very little and sometimes even trapped moisture and made the problem worse.

 

SS bearings will not help [ if there is even such a thing ] No sealed ball bearing is designed to run under water, this is why there is a primary water seal and the shaft is still plain steel anyway.

 

Use your washer properly and if you want a machine that can be easily rebuilt BUY A SPEED QUEEN FL WASHER, SQ FL washers have a design life of up to 25,000 loads that is 21/2 longer than even the overpriced Mieles. If you don't want a well built machine buy a Frigidaire and take care of it and you will still likely get more than 20 years use out of it before it has serious issues.
 
Although they do look cheap--I loves me the stainless steel--the plastic tub is very durable. It will long outlast the mechanics of the washer. I understand that it does limit spin speeds, however. A metal tub is required if you're going to hit that 1,000 rpm mark. This one's top speed is 800 rpm.
 
Louis-- I washed a load of bath linens on the Normal cycle last night, and it appeared to ramp up to 800 rpm during the final spin. I have become so accustomed to the super-fast 1300 rpm speed of my front-loader that the Immersion Care seemed slow by comparison. My 2006 Frigidaire top-loader (with traditional agitator) spun at 625 rpm (or so the literature stated, at any rate).

The more I use the Immersion Care the more I like it (relatively speaking), but the bogus "hot" water setting is a major disappointment. The ability to choose the water level manually is the big selling point for me, as using a little more water really seems to improve movement of the load. I prefer the multiple spray-rinses over a single deep rinse so I'm still using less total water than a traditional top-loader.

Front-loaders can do an excellent job of cleaning with very little water and still be gentle with fabrics. I'm not convinced the same is true of impeller-based top-loaders.

Immersion Care Quirks:
1. The heavy soil setting on the Normal Cycle is 71 minutes. Strangely, the heavy soil setting on the Heavy Duty cycle is only 61 minutes.

2. There are four manually-selectable water levels: Minimum, Low, Normal, and Maximum. The Low and Normal water levels are exactly the same. I've washed several loads going back and forth between the two settings to confirm this. Odd.[this post was last edited: 1/18/2013-05:49]
 
You know, I'm sorry to be negative here, but I can't honestly say that I like that wash action. Maybe it's because the turnover is too slow.

I don't like how the clothes just "Swish" around. I guess I'm just used to seeing the clothing "Sucked" down by a spinning impeller.

Again, this is all IMO... Congratulations on your purchase anyway and thank you very much for posting these videos, but I can't say I'd consider buying one.
 
Bud-- I understand completely your skepticism about the Immersion Care washer. I've been using it exclusively the past two weeks and I'm just now beginning to accept the way it works. As I mentioned in the "Bought One" thread, I've abandoned the terms turnover / rollover in conjunction the IC in favor of the term "shift position". It's a very odd thing to watch in person because unlike traditional turnover, where the whole load moves gracefully in unison, individual items anywhere in the tub will shift positions, seemingly without rhyme or reason. I'm still a bit surprised when the load comes out clean; it just doesn't seem like it should!

The official literature describing the wash action emphasizes the idea of moving water through the fabrics, not necessarily the fabrics through the water. So far, it has cleaned everything I've thrown at it---but it doesn't handle comforters well.

Speed Queen: I know you're a fan of the brand and the local LG dealer has just started carrying it, so I stopped by yesterday. Both a top-loading and a front-loading pair were on the showroom floor. I can see now why you guys tout the build quality of those machines. Very impressive.
 
Thank you for posting these videos,  they confirmed what I initially thought since the start about this machine, not to be the only  negative but have to be honest,   this is absolutely  not what personally I would expect  and want from a washer and so  after the "stained" load result I would immediately ask a return and my money back.....
Okay, you only used warm water but you used bleach,  I would have got  of course a better result using my speed queen or filter-flo with warm water and  by not putting bleach (I never use bleach as IMHO ruins clothes and I think that  a good detergent should do the job alone,  I use bleach  just to solve washing errors such a red sock in a white wash) and a normal cycle (not  even the extra cleaning one or any presoak cycle)....

Of course I find absurd also it can't accept water hotter and fills  alternatively with cold..... I would request a return just for this idiocy only.

 

 
 
Freddy: I am sure there are many people who watched the Immersion Care videos and thought, "No way would I want one of those washers!"; nor do I take it as a personal insult when someone expresses that viewpoint in a post. I purchased the IC mainly from curiosity, as so few of us at AW own an impeller-based top-loader---and no one, to my knowledge, has one of these new "faux-impeller" Frigidaires. The videos are posted only to allow people to see how it works, not to pursuade anyone to purchase one. I will say that the machine has performed better than I expected, especially since it is crippled with such anemic "hot" water. I always use chlorine bleach for loads of kitchen whites (as did my Italian mother), so it didn't occur to me not to use in the load pictured above. Take care, and Buon pomeriggio![this post was last edited: 1/20/2013-15:52]
 
Glad to hear it.

Glad to hear it, no reason to take on personal, I respect other opinions as I'd like  others would do with mine, agree is another thing, not always one can agree with others, that is normal and obvious  but  I believe that  being free of sharing what is a personal thought or opinion is a sacred right here and in  life generally, so do not see why hide what one think or being offended for this...if everyone would avoid writing a personal viewpoint  for fear of  disagree with other members this community  would probably end in a week.
Thank you again for posting these and allow us to see this machine in action as I know many members looked to, of course you didn't  do that to persuade someone to buy one, and even if were I would not see anything wrong with it if that would be your personal advice to give people as long you like it, mine would be different, but again, personal thoughts,  anyway everything was really shown in a fair and objective way so of course everyone will get  a personal idea positive or negative it will be.
Thank you again.
Buona Serata anche a te!

Ciao!
 
New FD TL Washers

When I was at the Frigidaire dealers warehouse last Thursday they already had two stack versions that came back dead on arrival, the warehouse guy offered me one for about $200 if I wanted it, I passed for now as we are just too busy. I am sure many consumers will be happy with this washer and it will certainly be very gentile on clothing, even more so than front loading washers. Further it could be reasonably durable as the basic machine is very simple compared to machines like the Calypso and MT Neptune TL that not only turned clothing over but were two of the BEST cleaning washers EVER.

 

Eugene you had asked which washers that I usually wash 8 pairs of jeans in, lately i have been using my Frigidaire 1-18, but this same load will fit in almost any washer that I use regularly, the Calypso, the SQ FL, the 1966 KM gas Combo, My 1966 GE Combo, and of coerce any super capacity DD washer with a DA agitator.

 

I ware size 32W-36 I.
 
WRAP-UP: I've been using the Immersion Care exclusively for the past three weeks, so it has washed enough loads to reveal its true demeanor. Despite its drawbacks, I could definitely live with this as a daily driver. As mentioned previously, the big selling point is the ability to manually select the water level. When it uses about as much water as a traditional top-loader, the load moves well and cleaning is great (under the ideal conditions of very soft water and a top-rated detergent).

PROS:

1. Very flexible NORMAL cycle: At Extra Light soil setting it's a great quick wash. At Stain Treat, it provides "hot" (115 degree) water and an 89-minute cycle which cleans better than the 60-minute Heavy Duty or Whites cycles. I use the Normal cycle for everything except delicates. Forget the Bedding cycle for sheets. The more aggressive Normal cycle cleans better and I find no more tangling/roping than when the Bedding cycle is used for queen-size sheets.

2. Manual water level selections: The Immersion Care is probably the only impeller-based machine which permits this. I've stopped letting the machine's sensor determine the water level; it's almost always lower than it needs to be for optimal cleaning. I save on total water consumption by using the spray rinse procedure. I don't use fabric softener, so this is no problem. I think it rinses better than one deep rinse. If you use fabric softener (triggering a deep rinse), the machine uses as much water as a traditional top-loader.

3. No unbalanced load issues: Have washed upwards of 20 loads, and each has been very well balanced. As a test, I washed my very heavy bath robe on its own, expecting to find out what happens in an unbalanced situation. It handled the unbalanced load with no problems, reaching what appeared to be a full-speed (and quite dramatic-looking) spin. Consequently, I still don't know if there's an unbalanced load protocol that other impeller machines have. Like its 2006 agitator-based sibling, it is a champ in this department.

CONS:

1. Ridiculously dumbed-down hot water setting. Delivers 115 degree water at Normal or Max water level, 95-110 on Minimum to Low water levels. Absolutely inexcusable. In addition to using liquid chlorine bleach with loads of kitchen and personal whites (standard procedure for me) I also use some in loads of bath linens and sheets (all are white) with this washer to ensure some degree of disinfection. An internal heater wouldn't do much, as this machine uses more water than other impeller washers. It would take forever to heat the water at the Maximum level.

2. Smallish capacity: If you don't often wash loads over 10 lbs. (hello 1960!), this washer will fit your needs in the capacity department. Most of mine are between 5-10 lbs., save for gigantic loads of whites and bath linens. I have to wash 7 large, heavy bath towels and around a dozen large hand towels in two loads. Not a washer for families with several kids.

3. Large, bulky items: Plan to take a hands-on approach in assisting the washer with queen-size comforters and blankets. If you stop the machine and turn the item every few minutes, you can use it for comforters/blankets. Otherwise, plan on taking a trip to the laundromat.

4. Spin speed: Not up to today's 1000 rpm (or more) standards. This one tops out at 800 rpm, and heavy loads of towels are noticeably damp compared to being spun in a front-loader.

5. Gentleness to fabrics: More lint in dryer filter leads me to believe it's harder on fabrics than the front-loader. Probably more gentle than other impeller machines that use less water.

[this post was last edited: 1/24/2013-11:17]
 
New FD TL Washers

Good report, YOU should be working for CRs, I think that CRs biggest problem is they do not do nearly enough testing and provide WAY too little information to their readers. CRs does not even give hot water use, cold water use, electric use or even water extraction % for their washer testing.

 

We will see a lot of the stack versions of this machine in our market area and depending on a number of factors we will even be selling some, I dough I would ever sell the stand alone washer as their are too many good alternatives. The new WP built BD washers are working very well with few complaints and almost no repair problems, and of coarse we are mainly selling SQ TL for those that will not buy a FL washer.

 

                                                                               Thanks again for all your test information Eugene, John.
 
They dont call you Frigilux for nothing lol .
You no,,,
I love all machines.
In 1997 I saw this ad in the back of a high end kicthen magazine,
small ad mind you..it was a Fisher & Paykel washer.
It said Eco smart washer and spun at 1000 rpm.
I was stunned and went out to search for it.
It was so new no one had it in stores, then bingo it was in ABC appliences
in New Jersey.

My friend John took me to see it.. ooh was he thrilled lol NOT.
They had a cutout and the owner was so excited to show me.
He turned it on and the basket started turning with water and then as it
got to a small water level with the vanes coverd,
The agitator did small jerking movements and did this noise free gentle
agitation !
And that was it for me I saw a SHIFT in washing tecnology.
That's how I got my first job BY Knowing more about that washer
then the Gerhard brothers.
The storey is long but fast forward to SEARS,
They came out with a wash plate model first.
Then the Whirlpool Cabrio.
Being a fan of F & P products all of my colleges laughed
at me when the first F&P washer with the agitaor, then a wash plate.
Both are still on the market.
My point is EVERY OTHER COMPANY FOLLOWED THIS DESIGN OR CONCEPT with
different protocals PERIOD.
I said you can laugh at me all you want,,
THIS DESIGN is here to stay !

Thanks first for your videos and the time you put in your threads !
I thank we see vintage TURNOVER as by all the means.
But things do change ,,just because you see low water or none at all
does not mean it is cleaning or not gentle enough.
Reverse rollover is hard to get use to or dragging in some machines,
with agitators.
Yes that is a argument.

But I like your new Frigidare washer and would recommend it.
I like the sounds at the end of it indexing pretty soothing and quit.
Agitube with a low profile washplate seems it doing it's job.
And keeping tradition in some fashion.
Fun washer.

I have your wash tub with water on my screen saver this week.
The hump in the middle is soo traditional still amazes me how
the clothes creeps up in the center and roll back.
Would like to know if you used the ...
Kids care

Delicate

Handwash cycles yet..?

The different wash speeds at the end is interesting and the distrabution speeds.
In your unit.
So the only HE washer that has a traditional fill is F & P wash plate model,
it gives you a option of HE or High water filling if you like.
I hope you have a great time and many years of service with your new washer.

Thanks to Sir wolf Fisher and Marice Paykel company for starting a new trend.
Even thou it has there quirks as if any companey does not !
It is what it is for now ,,and will see as the tub turns.
Darren k
 
Stain treat

Hi, I was wondering if you knew the difference between the 4473 model and the 4474 model? I currently have the 4473 model, however it lacks the stain treat option. From my research, it looks like the spray is more powerful on the 4474 model. Do you have any videos showing the stain treat cycle?
 
Carla-- I have a Frigidaire 4474 with the Stain Treat option. I find it doesn't really do much, so I don't use it, anymore. Adding the steam option to a cycle, or the allergy option to the Heavy Duty cycle is more effective in removing stains. The best cycle for stain removal--colorfast or whites only--is the Sanitize cycle. I wash large loads of heavily-stained kitchen whites using that cycle and everything comes out sparkling clean with no pretreating. It's a long cycle (about 1 hour and 40 minutes), but it does the job.
 

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