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kb0nes
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I like what all they have going on the wall behind the machine.
Give me data!!
Give me data!!
billiedyer1954
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they put the detergent in the fabric softener dispenser!!
sbond22
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Re: The Wall.
He could build a pretty good moonshine still with all that copper tubing and those gauges.
He could build a pretty good moonshine still with all that copper tubing and those gauges.
I'll have to let them know Speed Queen's Patronus Absolutus is in our family. Love the look of the electronic control panel.
Aside: What was with pouring the quarter-teaspoon of liquid detergent into the softener dispenser?
I suppose it's kind of like putting a phonograph in front of a kid. A traditional washer is alien to them, LOL.
Hi, Ben!
Aside: What was with pouring the quarter-teaspoon of liquid detergent into the softener dispenser?
I suppose it's kind of like putting a phonograph in front of a kid. A traditional washer is alien to them, LOL.
Hi, Ben!
kb0nes
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the quarter-teaspoon of liquid detergent
Rinse agent?? Perhaps they were having spotting problems lol
Rinse agent?? Perhaps they were having spotting problems lol
kb0nes
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I also like the bit that because it's not a 'high tech' washer it is more easily repaired.
The much more mechanically simple front loaders are easier to repair...
The much more mechanically simple front loaders are easier to repair...
LOL!
Phil, you nailed it. That statement made me question Reviewed.com's credentials in a big way.
WK78
Phil, you nailed it. That statement made me question Reviewed.com's credentials in a big way.
WK78
mrb627
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Almost...
A direct shout out to our website.
Malcolm
A direct shout out to our website.
Malcolm
I'm sorry but I just don't see how their review has anything to do with AW.org
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I wouldn't call that a "review" but on the product page, they state that they haven't done a full test and review on the SQ, so this must be just the trailer. They did make a lot of bold statements about the machine, reliability, easier to repair, etc. so it will be interesting to see what they say about the performance once that data-wall gives up it's secrets.
http://laundry.reviewed.com/products/speed-queen-awne92sp113tw01#comments
I wouldn't call that a "review" but on the product page, they state that they haven't done a full test and review on the SQ, so this must be just the trailer. They did make a lot of bold statements about the machine, reliability, easier to repair, etc. so it will be interesting to see what they say about the performance once that data-wall gives up it's secrets.
http://laundry.reviewed.com/products/speed-queen-awne92sp113tw01#comments
All that copper tubing:
Could make many stills. It is actually there to test the machines under various water conditions, temperatures and pressures to see how they handle the variances.
I have seen a set-up like this first hand at the old Ecolab R&D center In Mendota MN. There were at least a dozen commercial dishwashers of varying makes, types and ages hooked to it. All sitting under a massive canopy hood to draw out the steam. THe purpose of it all was to test how various Ecolab products worked in a wide range of dishwashers and water conditions.
Cool stuff science is. Too bad many don't believe in it anymore.
WK78
Could make many stills. It is actually there to test the machines under various water conditions, temperatures and pressures to see how they handle the variances.
I have seen a set-up like this first hand at the old Ecolab R&D center In Mendota MN. There were at least a dozen commercial dishwashers of varying makes, types and ages hooked to it. All sitting under a massive canopy hood to draw out the steam. THe purpose of it all was to test how various Ecolab products worked in a wide range of dishwashers and water conditions.
Cool stuff science is. Too bad many don't believe in it anymore.
WK78
Wonky review
1) "... it did particularly poorly against protein-based stains. During the Whites cycle, we suspect that an improperly timed hot water rinse baked those stains into fabrics instead of washing them out."
2) As mentioned previously, detergent in the softener dispenser.
3) I suppose it's just a demo of the panel but the video shows setting the temp, water level, and soil level, then changing the cycle which changes those settings.
4) Most modern machines don't have a spin-only selection?
1) "... it did particularly poorly against protein-based stains. During the Whites cycle, we suspect that an improperly timed hot water rinse baked those stains into fabrics instead of washing them out."
2) As mentioned previously, detergent in the softener dispenser.
3) I suppose it's just a demo of the panel but the video shows setting the temp, water level, and soil level, then changing the cycle which changes those settings.
4) Most modern machines don't have a spin-only selection?
user 3941
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They are excellent, durable washers, but I agree...they don't clean any better than modern washers. I would def consider buying one, however...just because I like the old school design.
Cleanability
I see a lot of bashing about clean ability, at least that this machine isn't as good as other modern machines. I call flaming BS. In my experience a Speed Queen will out clean most modern US front and top load washers. Consumer reports and other always seem to somehow down play their clean ability, but in all honesty I would not be surprised if they are being influenced by select entities... Lets face it, consumer reports and the like are a marketing platform controlled by the big players. Its easier to sell by stating the obvious (Speed Queen is more dependable) and down play the less obvious (clean ability). That way machines even out, and impeller garbage has a level playing field. The most unequal thing of all is equal treatment of unequal machines... Americans are left to think its all machines have their individual pros and cons with everything evening out and people buying based on their own personalty traits/preference... Come reality some machines are all cons and some like Speed Queen are all pros.
I see a lot of bashing about clean ability, at least that this machine isn't as good as other modern machines. I call flaming BS. In my experience a Speed Queen will out clean most modern US front and top load washers. Consumer reports and other always seem to somehow down play their clean ability, but in all honesty I would not be surprised if they are being influenced by select entities... Lets face it, consumer reports and the like are a marketing platform controlled by the big players. Its easier to sell by stating the obvious (Speed Queen is more dependable) and down play the less obvious (clean ability). That way machines even out, and impeller garbage has a level playing field. The most unequal thing of all is equal treatment of unequal machines... Americans are left to think its all machines have their individual pros and cons with everything evening out and people buying based on their own personalty traits/preference... Come reality some machines are all cons and some like Speed Queen are all pros.
I agree with reviewed's view. I asked around the store, our techs and other sales staff agree as well. (Well, we all disagree with the soap in the softener portion...)
It may not have perfect clean-ability ratings, nothing has that, but it is probably one of the most durable and reliable washers on the market.
Perfect for Joe and Susie Farmer and their 12 kids after a long day of slopping the hogs here in rural ND.
(We are only a Speed Queen Platinum dealer.)
It may not have perfect clean-ability ratings, nothing has that, but it is probably one of the most durable and reliable washers on the market.
Perfect for Joe and Susie Farmer and their 12 kids after a long day of slopping the hogs here in rural ND.
(We are only a Speed Queen Platinum dealer.)
Are all pros
40gal water usage, "small" capacity, low spin speeds, no boosted wash temps. Yes, all pros, I mean, duh, how could anyone not see that as a pro.
40gal water usage, "small" capacity, low spin speeds, no boosted wash temps. Yes, all pros, I mean, duh, how could anyone not see that as a pro.
Pros
Compared to impellers that tangle and rip clothes, dumbed down temps, locking lids, hour plus cycles, no real suspension, 5 year life expectancy, cheap parts 1/2 the cost of the machine and front loads without heaters that still last 5 years (temps will drop way faster assuming hot water entered the tub from the small water fill) yes all those would be considered pros.
Yes high spin speed and boosted temps are a big plus, but you have to keep in mind that in the US we do not have 240 volt 13/16 amp receptacles at the washer so we do not have many front loads on the market that can take cold water and can heat it up all the way to a boil wash (and our detergents have to reflect that). As is a tankless gas water heater is pennies. Thus if you want a machine that can wash a load of clothes with really hot water that does not take an hour and a half a deep fill top load is the only way to go in the US.
As for capacity being small I disagree. It would be considered large in front of most European machines that fit underneath kitchen counter-tops and larger than some vintage machines like genuine Maytags.
Compared to impellers that tangle and rip clothes, dumbed down temps, locking lids, hour plus cycles, no real suspension, 5 year life expectancy, cheap parts 1/2 the cost of the machine and front loads without heaters that still last 5 years (temps will drop way faster assuming hot water entered the tub from the small water fill) yes all those would be considered pros.
Yes high spin speed and boosted temps are a big plus, but you have to keep in mind that in the US we do not have 240 volt 13/16 amp receptacles at the washer so we do not have many front loads on the market that can take cold water and can heat it up all the way to a boil wash (and our detergents have to reflect that). As is a tankless gas water heater is pennies. Thus if you want a machine that can wash a load of clothes with really hot water that does not take an hour and a half a deep fill top load is the only way to go in the US.
As for capacity being small I disagree. It would be considered large in front of most European machines that fit underneath kitchen counter-tops and larger than some vintage machines like genuine Maytags.
Yeah, so, it's not all pro with the SQ.
And I wrote "small", not small. Of course, more then I could I ever dream to get my hands on, but small compared to pretty much any FL or TL.
Don't bring that impeller argument. It has been shown these claims are 95% user error.
And still: basicly half the extraction spped of some machines. We have several members with FLs beyond the 10 year mark.
And I wrote "small", not small. Of course, more then I could I ever dream to get my hands on, but small compared to pretty much any FL or TL.
Don't bring that impeller argument. It has been shown these claims are 95% user error.
And still: basicly half the extraction spped of some machines. We have several members with FLs beyond the 10 year mark.
"And I wrote "small", not small. Of course, more then I could I ever dream to get my hands on, but small compared to pretty much any FL or TL."
I think you are referring to a different machine. I can list a dozen washers smaller than Speed Queen, and most every Euro washer is smaller than a US front load.
"Don't bring that impeller argument. It has been shown these claims are 95% user error."
Can you show me something to back up this claim?
"And still: basicly half the extraction spped of some machines. We have several members with FLs beyond the 10 year mark."
I doubt they will make it to 20 years when used daily. Yes, any front load will out do a top load in terms of spinning, but as I said most US front loads do not have heaters and are very poorly made.
I think you are referring to a different machine. I can list a dozen washers smaller than Speed Queen, and most every Euro washer is smaller than a US front load.
"Don't bring that impeller argument. It has been shown these claims are 95% user error."
Can you show me something to back up this claim?
"And still: basicly half the extraction spped of some machines. We have several members with FLs beyond the 10 year mark."
I doubt they will make it to 20 years when used daily. Yes, any front load will out do a top load in terms of spinning, but as I said most US front loads do not have heaters and are very poorly made.
I feel so dirty!!!!!!
For over 50 years my clothes have been washed in top loaders with a 15-18 minute wash cycle since I was a kid!!!! GE, Whirlpool, Kenmore and now SQ!!!
Are you telling me my protein stains have not been coming out!!!!
OMG!!!! What have we been doing wrong?????
Listen millenials!!!! When you've got a nasty stain you pre treat or soak, it's worked that way for years.
Unless your washer has a two and one half hour wash cycle.
My wash comes clean in my SpeedQueen and it came clean in my past machines as well.
Hey Germany, your Barbie Doll sized under counter washers are not as big as the SQ 3.3 tub.
This is America, WE invented and pioneered the Automatic Washer.
For over 50 years my clothes have been washed in top loaders with a 15-18 minute wash cycle since I was a kid!!!! GE, Whirlpool, Kenmore and now SQ!!!
Are you telling me my protein stains have not been coming out!!!!
OMG!!!! What have we been doing wrong?????
Listen millenials!!!! When you've got a nasty stain you pre treat or soak, it's worked that way for years.
Unless your washer has a two and one half hour wash cycle.
My wash comes clean in my SpeedQueen and it came clean in my past machines as well.
Hey Germany, your Barbie Doll sized under counter washers are not as big as the SQ 3.3 tub.
This is America, WE invented and pioneered the Automatic Washer.
I see lots of pros
*don't need to"reboot" the thing when the control board goes wonky
*Don't need "cleaners" to "clean" the machine whose very purpose is to clean my clothes
*Uses gobs of water, which I like, because I don't subscribe to current thinking that has dumbed down common sense and deluded people into thinking a few cups of water are sufficient for clean laundry
*I get true tap hot water and don't see the need or expense of heated water ability.
*has old school, crude, mechanical parts that are easily replaced and don't cost the world.
*Actually has real metal in the construction including the inner and outer tub.
*Best warranty in the business
Plus I have 40+ years of living on Mother Earth which gives me a practical, real world view of things. Among those are 4 decades of doing laundry in TL machines from my mother's Kennmore, GE, and (sigh)Whirlpool to laundromats. Got by with a few basic cycles rather than the absurd proliferation of 45 plus cycles today. Never had to clean the machine and never suffered illness due to fecal cross contamination. Never had a need to "sanitize" my laundry either. Regardless of water usage, the machines back then and Speed Queed today are much better value because, well, they last. Try that with an eco-tard designed FL or HE TL. Let us know how much a control board or mode shifter costs. Assuming they are available.
Unlike the current "millennial" generation which to be quite frank does not know its collective ass from its elbow, I don't automatically accept everything the government or some agency tells me as 100% unquestionable gospel. Like climate change, global warming, the earth is drying up, hurricanes are getting stronger, et cetera.
I have this incredibly annoying habit. It's called thinking which means I prefer to research things myself and form my own opinions. I know that pisses off the government and algore, but it is what it is.
*don't need to"reboot" the thing when the control board goes wonky
*Don't need "cleaners" to "clean" the machine whose very purpose is to clean my clothes
*Uses gobs of water, which I like, because I don't subscribe to current thinking that has dumbed down common sense and deluded people into thinking a few cups of water are sufficient for clean laundry
*I get true tap hot water and don't see the need or expense of heated water ability.
*has old school, crude, mechanical parts that are easily replaced and don't cost the world.
*Actually has real metal in the construction including the inner and outer tub.
*Best warranty in the business
Plus I have 40+ years of living on Mother Earth which gives me a practical, real world view of things. Among those are 4 decades of doing laundry in TL machines from my mother's Kennmore, GE, and (sigh)Whirlpool to laundromats. Got by with a few basic cycles rather than the absurd proliferation of 45 plus cycles today. Never had to clean the machine and never suffered illness due to fecal cross contamination. Never had a need to "sanitize" my laundry either. Regardless of water usage, the machines back then and Speed Queed today are much better value because, well, they last. Try that with an eco-tard designed FL or HE TL. Let us know how much a control board or mode shifter costs. Assuming they are available.
Unlike the current "millennial" generation which to be quite frank does not know its collective ass from its elbow, I don't automatically accept everything the government or some agency tells me as 100% unquestionable gospel. Like climate change, global warming, the earth is drying up, hurricanes are getting stronger, et cetera.
I have this incredibly annoying habit. It's called thinking which means I prefer to research things myself and form my own opinions. I know that pisses off the government and algore, but it is what it is.
Check rates
And Id like to know how someone claiming Euro washers are larger than most US top loads gets more check rates than those who say it like it is. Me thinks Europeans are yet again jealous of US technology and consumer goods.
And Id like to know how someone claiming Euro washers are larger than most US top loads gets more check rates than those who say it like it is. Me thinks Europeans are yet again jealous of US technology and consumer goods.
"Consumer reports and other always seem to somehow down play their clean ability, but in all honesty I would not be surprised if they are being influenced by select entities... Lets face it, consumer reports and the like are a marketing platform controlled by the big players."
I'm a CR subscriber, so I know a little about this.
You've got one thing significantly wrong about Consumer Reports. They actually buy all the products they test and they don't accept advertising. They also don't let companies use CR information in their marketing. Their entire budget is paid for by their subscribers. The whole point of doing all this is to avoid influence from the manufacturers.
You're correct that many online reviews are suspect because the reviewers get the products for free from the companies in exchange for reviews. That creates a conflict of interest.
CR avoids that conflict of interest by not have a connection to the companies. They buy the products themselves and they aren't beholden to advertisers because they don't have any advertising.
I'm a CR subscriber, so I know a little about this.
You've got one thing significantly wrong about Consumer Reports. They actually buy all the products they test and they don't accept advertising. They also don't let companies use CR information in their marketing. Their entire budget is paid for by their subscribers. The whole point of doing all this is to avoid influence from the manufacturers.
You're correct that many online reviews are suspect because the reviewers get the products for free from the companies in exchange for reviews. That creates a conflict of interest.
CR avoids that conflict of interest by not have a connection to the companies. They buy the products themselves and they aren't beholden to advertisers because they don't have any advertising.
Capacity
Have done more than just a few loads in Speed Queen toploades over the years and can confirm they don`t hold more clothes than an average Euro 5kg frontloader.
While the Speed Queen tubs are considerably larger in sq.ft. you have to load them loosley to get good turnover and avoid damage to clothes whereas you can stuff a Euro FL with their endless wash cycles and still get good results. (I wouldn`t try to cram full any US FL with their quick wash times.)
I have no intention to turn this thread into another FL vs. TL discussion just saying SQ`s TL capacity seems a bit overrated to me.
Have done more than just a few loads in Speed Queen toploades over the years and can confirm they don`t hold more clothes than an average Euro 5kg frontloader.
While the Speed Queen tubs are considerably larger in sq.ft. you have to load them loosley to get good turnover and avoid damage to clothes whereas you can stuff a Euro FL with their endless wash cycles and still get good results. (I wouldn`t try to cram full any US FL with their quick wash times.)
I have no intention to turn this thread into another FL vs. TL discussion just saying SQ`s TL capacity seems a bit overrated to me.
But are you really getting good result over loading a UK or Euro front load?
*don't need to"reboot" the thing when the control board goes wonky
With the exception of the awn432, they all have control boards. Luckily rebooting a speed queen is as easy as unplugging and plugging back in.
*Don't need "cleaners" to "clean" the machine whose very purpose is to clean my clothes
This is customer education problem. Too much soap/ softener will gunk up any machine, requiring a self clean of some sort.
*Uses gobs of water, which I like, because I don't subscribe to current thinking that has dumbed down common sense and deluded people into thinking a few cups of water are sufficient for clean laundry
12 gallons of water can clean just as well as 40.
*I get true tap hot water and don't see the need or expense of heated water ability.
100% agree
*has old school, crude, mechanical parts that are easily replaced and don't cost the world.
Not exactly true. Timers are expensive, the transmission is a small fortune, in fact, there are not very many "cheap" parts on a speed queen.
*Actually has real metal in the construction including the inner and outer tub.
This, in my opinion, is just a sales gimmick. I have only seen a very, very small amount of broken outer tubs.
*Best warranty in the business
Speed queen does have the absolute best warranty, if fact, they encourage their servicers to replace a few more parts than what may actually be needed to prevent future break downs.
*With the exception of the awn432, they all have control boards. Luckily rebooting a speed queen is as easy as unplugging and plugging back in.
Wrong. My AWN542 does not have a control board anywhere
Not exactly true. Timers are expensive, the transmission is a small fortune, in fact, there are not very many "cheap" parts on a speed queen
Wrong again. Even the transmission is cheaper than a control board on a new FL or HE TL
12 gallons of water can clean just as well as 40
If this were true, then manufacturers would have offered machines like this years ago, not due to ill conceived DOE mandates.
This is customer education problem. Too much soap/ softener will gunk up any machine, requiring a self clean of some sort
Odd. Until recent years, there was never a need for "customer education" on how to use a washing machine. Sounds more like a design problem to me. Reminds me of the ill fated Fiero where GM "educated" customers that 3 quarts of oil in the Iron Puke engine was ok when in fact it was designed for 5 quarts.
Wrong. My AWN542 does not have a control board anywhere
Not exactly true. Timers are expensive, the transmission is a small fortune, in fact, there are not very many "cheap" parts on a speed queen
Wrong again. Even the transmission is cheaper than a control board on a new FL or HE TL
12 gallons of water can clean just as well as 40
If this were true, then manufacturers would have offered machines like this years ago, not due to ill conceived DOE mandates.
This is customer education problem. Too much soap/ softener will gunk up any machine, requiring a self clean of some sort
Odd. Until recent years, there was never a need for "customer education" on how to use a washing machine. Sounds more like a design problem to me. Reminds me of the ill fated Fiero where GM "educated" customers that 3 quarts of oil in the Iron Puke engine was ok when in fact it was designed for 5 quarts.
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