iiijohnnymaciii
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Do they still make a 4.5 cu ft + front load washer available in the U.S. that maintains temperatures during the wash? One that offers prewash and an easy accessible filter as well would be a plus. Thanks!
Washer That Maintains Temperatures?
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jerrod_six
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I guess the answer to your question is probably NO.
Was there ever such a thing?
There was my old Whirlpool duet.
The Energy Star rating for current WP washer is 159KWH and 148KWH and comparable Maytag models have similar ratings as opposed to LG's all having 105KWH. Logic would lend me to believe the WP products use/keep heater on more than similar type cycles by LG. But I cannot say for sure given I've not been around any of these newer models.
The Energy Star rating for current WP washer is 159KWH and 148KWH and comparable Maytag models have similar ratings as opposed to LG's all having 105KWH. Logic would lend me to believe the WP products use/keep heater on more than similar type cycles by LG. But I cannot say for sure given I've not been around any of these newer models.
The Maytag <span class="pdp-tray-model-code">MHW5630MBK front load washer has an internal heater so I imagine it could maintain hot water throughout the wash cycle. Plus, it has a dual temp feature, where the wash starts out cold to remove stains that are best removed under cool temps, and then get hotter to deal with stains that are best removed with hot water. </span>
<span class="pdp-tray-model-code">I have its predecessor, a Maytag Neptune 7500, and it's been working great for at least 20 years now. </span>
RJ bought a 5630 pair last week, in Metallic Slate color which apparently is a Lowe's exclusive but presumably the machines function like the White or Volcano Black choices. Perhaps I can test the heater function if an opportunity arises by monitoring wattage draw throughout a cycle with my Kill-a-Watt meter ... although that will entail monitoring it for the entire wash period.
What cycle and options should be selected?
MOL Miele model WXF660 has an "AllergyWash" option mentioned in the operating instructions.
"This option should be used where high
standards of hygiene are required.
Energy consumption is increased to
lengthen temperature holding times" and so on
Some of Bosch`s stain options might be useful too to maintain the wash temperature but it`s only a guess. The manual doesn`t specifically say so.
"This option should be used where high
standards of hygiene are required.
Energy consumption is increased to
lengthen temperature holding times" and so on
Some of Bosch`s stain options might be useful too to maintain the wash temperature but it`s only a guess. The manual doesn`t specifically say so.
So what about Allergy cycles on washers with a heater. Don't they maintain temperatures for a longer period?
The challenge is to find one with a drum larger than 4.5 cu ft
The challenge is to find one with a drum larger than 4.5 cu
What's the deal with all of these mega size front loader drums? Has world gone bonkers, trying wash their entire wardrobe at once using one water temperature and cycle selection? That sounds very unsanitary!
What's the deal with all of these mega size front loader drums? Has world gone bonkers, trying wash their entire wardrobe at once using one water temperature and cycle selection? That sounds very unsanitary!
ryner1988
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Mega-sized front loader drums
I don't understand the need for gargantuan washer drums either. My 3.2 cu. ft. DD top loader is plenty big enough. The other day I did a load of towels that consisted of 10 bath towels, four or five hand towels, and around 10 washrags. I'm not sure I would need anything bigger than this, perhaps a large family might but my household is only two people and I do about three loads per week on average.
I don't understand the need for gargantuan washer drums either. My 3.2 cu. ft. DD top loader is plenty big enough. The other day I did a load of towels that consisted of 10 bath towels, four or five hand towels, and around 10 washrags. I'm not sure I would need anything bigger than this, perhaps a large family might but my household is only two people and I do about three loads per week on average.
"What's the deal with all of these mega size front loader drums?"
American housewives or households never totally warmed up to "compact" front loaders. This is one reason why that platform didn't take, compared to large top loading washing machines capacity of smaller H-axis machines was seen as minimal. Consumer Reports and similar publications long dinged Miele, Bosch, Creda, Asko and any other front loader sold in USA due to capacity.
Maytag then later Whirlpool upped game by introducing h-axis washers with larger capacities and it's been off to races ever since.
American housewives or households never also took to the European way of laundry; small but frequent loads. Rather many or most still clung to old ways of doing huge amounts of laundry at a go (wash day). For that you need at minimum a front loader with 18lb capacity.
Then consider Americans prefer to wash large or bulky items such as duvets, quilts and such at home and often. Historically many European households just send such things out to a commercial laundry.
With cycle times ever increasing front loaders sold in USA tout their uber capacity as way of getting wash day over quickly because more can be done at a go.
One of many things Americans complained about when visiting Europe and using a front loader in someone's flat or something was that machine "took ages" to get on with things compared to their top loader at home.
Finally consider American laundry market supports huge front loading washers because their homes are often designed for such.
In Europe after dust of WWII settled by plan or whatever front loading washing machines came to dominate markets. But also they were compact enough to fit into kitchens, airing cupboards, bathrooms, etc... Space is often at a premium for many homes in Europe and huge front loading washers just don't fit.
IIRC Miele and others do sell large or giant front loading washers in EU markets, but their percentage against total sales is rather small.
When many Europeans have large amounts of wash and or bulky things again they simply send them out or go to laundromat.
American housewives or households never totally warmed up to "compact" front loaders. This is one reason why that platform didn't take, compared to large top loading washing machines capacity of smaller H-axis machines was seen as minimal. Consumer Reports and similar publications long dinged Miele, Bosch, Creda, Asko and any other front loader sold in USA due to capacity.
Maytag then later Whirlpool upped game by introducing h-axis washers with larger capacities and it's been off to races ever since.
American housewives or households never also took to the European way of laundry; small but frequent loads. Rather many or most still clung to old ways of doing huge amounts of laundry at a go (wash day). For that you need at minimum a front loader with 18lb capacity.
Then consider Americans prefer to wash large or bulky items such as duvets, quilts and such at home and often. Historically many European households just send such things out to a commercial laundry.
With cycle times ever increasing front loaders sold in USA tout their uber capacity as way of getting wash day over quickly because more can be done at a go.
One of many things Americans complained about when visiting Europe and using a front loader in someone's flat or something was that machine "took ages" to get on with things compared to their top loader at home.
Finally consider American laundry market supports huge front loading washers because their homes are often designed for such.
In Europe after dust of WWII settled by plan or whatever front loading washing machines came to dominate markets. But also they were compact enough to fit into kitchens, airing cupboards, bathrooms, etc... Space is often at a premium for many homes in Europe and huge front loading washers just don't fit.
IIRC Miele and others do sell large or giant front loading washers in EU markets, but their percentage against total sales is rather small.
When many Europeans have large amounts of wash and or bulky things again they simply send them out or go to laundromat.
My older Miele washer certainly maintains temps. Know this because there is a clear audible "thunk" sound when heater is engaged then shut off.
On more modern AEG washers am not sure as they don't give any such indication.
If had to guess the AEG toplader does maintain temps (it better given cycles that stretch into a bit over three hours). Say this because can see via converter amount of power machine is pulling. When heater is engaged there is of course a visible increase in current draw.
Anyone who wishes to test if their washer does indeed maintain temps should invest in a Kill-A-Watt or similar device that measures power draw.
On more modern AEG washers am not sure as they don't give any such indication.
If had to guess the AEG toplader does maintain temps (it better given cycles that stretch into a bit over three hours). Say this because can see via converter amount of power machine is pulling. When heater is engaged there is of course a visible increase in current draw.
Anyone who wishes to test if their washer does indeed maintain temps should invest in a Kill-A-Watt or similar device that measures power draw.
My suggestion is to select Whites and select warm water wash rather than hot to see if the heater comes on at all firsty. Then another time compare usage for whites using hot water.
Let us see, my week's clothes laundry came to 8 pair of flannel lounge pants and similar light weight jersey type long sleeeve t shirts, 2 pair of jersey shorts and t shirts, and about 9 pairs of socks. That filled up my 5.0 cu. ft. LG.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Glenn I think you should try whites and hot to see how long it holds the temp during the wash phase.
If Miele made a 4.5 cu ft washer it would be a no brainer for me. Unfortunately I need that size. I do one load each day and my Speed Queen 9 series doesn’t really fit everything sometimes.
I’ve been leaning to the Whirlpool 8620 or the touchscreen version. I like those due to the easy access to the pump through the load n go drawer. It doesn’t have prewash, but it seems like the best compromise for my lifestyle.
If Miele made a 4.5 cu ft washer it would be a no brainer for me. Unfortunately I need that size. I do one load each day and my Speed Queen 9 series doesn’t really fit everything sometimes.
I’ve been leaning to the Whirlpool 8620 or the touchscreen version. I like those due to the easy access to the pump through the load n go drawer. It doesn’t have prewash, but it seems like the best compromise for my lifestyle.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Miele's 4XXX series washers had 4.0 cuFt capacity (claimed).
The W1 series claims 2.6 capacity
Miele like many other brand of washers from Europe get away with greater capacity washers but keeping same overall footprint (almost0 by making drum deeper and bit wider. Miele did this with their W1926 and W1966 among others. This bumped capacity up from 5kg to 6kg
Miele claims their W1 series can handle up to bit over 17.6lbs of wash. This compared to SQ residential front loaders that claim 18lbs.
Unlike their tried (and failed) uber sized Miele 4XXX series washers, the W1 series offers greater capacity but still will work with European laundry situations. The larger W4XXX would not.
Ironically Miele's "Little Giant" washers are rated for slightly less capacity (15lbs) than W1. https://www.designerappliances.com/miele-pw6068ss.html
It's worth noting Bosch also entered and quickly withdrew their uber capacity front loader (NeXXT). That washer claimed 4.2 cuFt capacity.
It just doesn't seem as if European laundry machine brands do uber sized front loaders well for domestic machines. Commercial, OPL and laundromat is another matter.
Here is a clip from Miele Canada discussing front loader capacity.
Personally feel unless one is going to be washing king sized bedding such as duvets or eiderdowns at home, about 18 pound capacity is more than sufficient.
The W1 series claims 2.6 capacity
Miele like many other brand of washers from Europe get away with greater capacity washers but keeping same overall footprint (almost0 by making drum deeper and bit wider. Miele did this with their W1926 and W1966 among others. This bumped capacity up from 5kg to 6kg
Miele claims their W1 series can handle up to bit over 17.6lbs of wash. This compared to SQ residential front loaders that claim 18lbs.
Unlike their tried (and failed) uber sized Miele 4XXX series washers, the W1 series offers greater capacity but still will work with European laundry situations. The larger W4XXX would not.
Ironically Miele's "Little Giant" washers are rated for slightly less capacity (15lbs) than W1. https://www.designerappliances.com/miele-pw6068ss.html
It's worth noting Bosch also entered and quickly withdrew their uber capacity front loader (NeXXT). That washer claimed 4.2 cuFt capacity.
It just doesn't seem as if European laundry machine brands do uber sized front loaders well for domestic machines. Commercial, OPL and laundromat is another matter.
Here is a clip from Miele Canada discussing front loader capacity.
Personally feel unless one is going to be washing king sized bedding such as duvets or eiderdowns at home, about 18 pound capacity is more than sufficient.
the towels shown in that ABT video lok NOTHING like the bath/hand towels or wash cloths I have in my home. They remind me more of what my towels look like when I relegate them to rag status--so thin and flimsy.
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