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Centenialguy, I get to Monroeville often actually weekly we make a trip into children's hospital so we usually stop in Monroeville.
I wish I could get into the storage at Bergmans just to see if they have any old detergents stored there, lol, that store has been there for many years, I'm turning 60 and I know its been there throughout my life. Anyway nice to meet you. Cheryl
 
 

 

Gas dryer drama.  Using a gas dryer will leave a certain undesirable smell on one's clothing.  If you're picky about the way your clothes smell, and don't want them discolored from the gas, get an electric dryer.

 

So yeah, when you combine the perfume in the detergent with the soot from burning gas, you will get a most likely undesirable smell.

 

Another thing to consider, that they don't tell you, is WHERE your dryer is.  If it's in a musty basement, the dryer is going to suck in all that musty smell and filter your clothes with it.

 

Also, if the dryer is in your living envelope, it will pick up odors you have there.  Do you smoke, have pets, burn wood or coal, cook Indian food or other foods that have a lot of smell?  All these will get sucked into the dryer and affect the outcome.

 

Over the years, with all the appliances I've had, one thing is for sure: electric dryers are generally clean.  Every gas dryer that I've added to my collection, has always had burn marks and left the former White drum, browned.  The brown color residue is heaviest coming from the heat duct.  Gas dryers are disgusting.

 

 

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delaneymeegan

You will more than likely be crucified for the gas dryer statement.  But before your death I just want to say:  I agree with you.  Even a well tuned gas dryer has a smell about it, and yellows your clothes. 

 

This is why my mother would only have electric, which is why I have only electric.

 

 
 
delaneymeegan

In the video you have linked, it is telling about a problem UK Persil had when they launched a new formula in 1994 - Persil Power.

It was a mess, they did make it too powerful for domestic use, but after they ditched it and launched New Generation Persil, all went back to normal, and Persil was able to hang on to being the Market leading detergent in terms of sales.

Having had the brand since 1909, Persil, today, is still the UKs best selling detergent (around 30% market share).

As mentioned up thread, Persil UK has always been manufactured by Unilever, and having used both the Henkel version of German Persil and our versions, they are 2 different detergents, both excellent agreed, but different (side note, Henkel don't have any detergents on our market).

But rest assured, the problems will not affect USAs Persil in anyway, as it doesn't affect it here now, where the problem happened, for the most part, it is completely forgotten.

From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand, as it really is all but forgotten. Unless it was just purely customer loyalty and people forgave them and just kept buying it.
 
It wouldn't matter to me...

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Within reason it wouldn't matter what they did (obviously as long as it was legal) if they fixed it and the product worked well I'd still use it.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand</span></span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">It works well for me and for me that's all it really takes.</span>
 
Cheryl,

Likewise to meet you!
Folks from Pa.are so friendly!
I was operated on at Pittsburgh Childrens for congenital hernia in 1965.
I remember being sore for two weeks afterward.
My mom got be some new matchbox cars. She worked as a nurse at the old eye and ear and mercy hospital back until 1959.
 
 

 

 

I've never used Persil, but if Brits love it, I will try it.  And like people, companies sometimes make a mistake or have a problem with a product, but if they learn from it and adjust accordingly, what more can we ask for. 

 

I saw Persil the other day, when I was buying detergent.  I want to get a sample size to try out.  It has to work in my front loader.

 

 

 

As for the gas dryer comments- I stand by them.  I can take pictures of my equally aged dryers, both gas and electric, roughly 30-40 years old.  The electric will typically have wear marks but you can see the original color of the drum.   Then, go to the gas dryer,  you'll have the same wear marks, but the entire drum has a varied brown haze to it.  It's typically darkest where the heat comes out of the vent.  On a white dryer, you can blatantly see the differences in the paint color from the door and the edges of the door that aren't exposed to the drum.   And there is always the lingering petroleum smell.

 

I also shop charity shops for linens and sometimes clothing.  You can find clothing items that distinctly have been laundered in a gas dryer.  They are more faded, the have the smell, and the clothing seems rough.  

 

If you have white sheets or towel, and routinely launder in a gas dryer, they will eventually turn beige, not because of age, but from being tainted by fossil fuel gas.

 

See, clothing manufacturers aren't going to make an issue with this stuff for good reason.  Anything that will wear out clothing faster, and THUS cause people to BUY MORE, well, that's what it's all about for them.  Fly-by-night.

I don't care what manufacturer's want.  I want things that are going to last.  I have linens and clothing that are 20+ years old and I don't want them disintegrating.

 

 
 
Persil - Unilever vs. Henkel

In European and a few other markets (though not yet North America) where each version is sold they are TOL laundry detergents. Though various consumer testing groups in a few countries have found other products give similar or better results for less money. This also will vary by type of product (gel, liquid, powder, etc...)

Unilever and Henkel only share the name Persil, period. Their respective formulas long have since gone their separate ways.

Have recited this story before so to keep it simple....

Henkel Germany sought to expand their Persil washing powder which was then still the famous soap, perborate and silicate blend that revolutionized cleaning laundry. Rather than set up factories and so forth in the UK the formula for Persil was licensed to a British soap maker (name escapes me at the moment), who was in turn purchased by Lever Bros. Lever Brothers became Unilever and there you are....

Over the years both sides have attempted to buy out the other's rights to Persil brand but neither will budge.

Another member noted awhile back that the German/Henkel versions of Persil contain more surfactants than the British/Unilever. This would not surprise me nor would any other differences in formulas.
 
Statue of Weisse Dame

Isn't of "Persil" which is named after its key ingredients *PERborate and SILicate*, but of the White Lady.

The White Lady much like the mythical Phoebe Snow of the Lackawanna Rail Road was meant to symbolize purity and cleanliness.

Weisse Dame was the first advertising campaign for Henkel's Persil and still remains one of the most potent and loved symbols for that product in Germany.

http://www.persil.de/de/ueber-persil/persil-history.cky.html

http://www.henkeldiversity.com/2012/12/10/happy-birthday-to-persils-white-lady/

Over the years from her initial launch in 1920's through 1960's the Weisse Dame changed her frock as fashions did as well.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Per...KEwi4oPGLxcHLAhVFHR4KHc4LDtMQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1.5
 
I have tried several if not all the Persil detergents.  The only one that I was not fond of was the pearls.  I noticed in a few washings my whites had grayed.   As for the smell it does linger, but it's not offensive to me.  

 

The intensive fresh has a very nice scent, and just barely detectable in towels after the dryer.  The PODS seem to have the strongest scent of all, but not objectionable, kind of a manly smell, not flowery or sweet.  

 

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Delaney-

As I said I agree about gas, I wonder if it is more the leak detection smell they put in the gas or if it is the petroleum smell.  In any case I smell it on clothes, as well as I can go into a home with a gas stove and can tell they have gas as there is that smell.  

 

 
 
Yes laundress!

My camera is not connected, or I'd show you the billboard animation photo of her in white with an umbrella and a turquoise background on the side of one of my HO scale buildings on my model RR layout.
 
About the gas dryer smell

With the valve wide open the wash-- especially sheets-- came out smelling burnt. Turning the valve down ~one quarter reduced the problem below the point it was objectionable.

Natgas doesn't really have a smell when burned. Burning also destroys the leak-detect additive. EITHER type of heat can expose laundry to smells from intake air. Working this problem convinced me that the detergent scent agents were being rancidified/oxidized by excess heat.

Most places, gas (heat) is so much cheaper than electric it's preferable to solve the overheat problem than switch. Which should also solve the drum discoloration, though I wasn't dealing with that.
 
Revised 2n1 formula?

I bought my second 50+ load bottle of Persil 2n1 liquid today.  When I got home I noticed small modifications to the front label mainly in color.

 

When I flipped it around to the back I noticed something else.  The back label contains the words "low suds, clean rinse formula".  I also took a sniff of the bottle and the first comparisons seemed to be that the new formula had less of the same scent, but on my second sniff I can't tell any difference ---so not sure about that--although I don't have an issue with the original scent.

 

I don't have problems with suds in the original but I am use to dosing small amounts of Persil German formula liquids to prevent them from oversudsing, but perhaps this revised formula will address concerns some have had about oversudsing and rinsing.

 

First pic is front of old and new bottles - new on the right.

Second pic is back of old formula

Third pic of back of revised formula

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Currently experimenting with Persil Pro Clean and Gain Fabric softener. So far I really like it, the Persil cleans real well, and does not oversud. However, I will my machine is not HE, and runs hot water directly from the tap, though I usually wash in warm. Don't know if that makes a difference.

I will say that by itself, the Persil scent seems to fade a lot quicker.

I also don't like the pearls.
 
The perls

This is the formula that contains a lot of oxygen bleach so if you want to use a detergent to bleach whites the Perls has it.

I use both formulas and they work well for me. I checked the Persil Pro web site and see that the Perls bottle no longer has the spout, however if you want one you can order it.
 
When a 24

year old is still living at home, and only washes his sheets once per month, I appreciated the Persil scent in "my" laundry, as the Arm and Hammer fragrance free I also use wasn't taking care of the "cheese" odor left behind after the kid does his wash. Last week, he had a rash before he washed them.
I'm lost for any more words or advice for the young man. I tried to help give him some common sense since 2005 when he lost his mom to breast cancer and had to move in.
I don't get it. A 4.0 grade point average in calculus and physics, but when he over flows the toilet, doesn't know which way to turn the water shut off valve.
I mean, the shower also has separate hot and cold valves on the wall.
Oh well, we must have done something right. He graduated from a private technical university, has never been in any trouble, and has a nice steady girl friend who is a soon to be CPA.
 
Well it finally arrived in the stores around here a couple of weeks ago (3 or 4 different versions)  so I picked up a bottle of the ProClean 2 in 1. I don't mind the smell, it's fairly light and to be honest I can't say as it cleans any better than the bargain basement on sale $1.99 Ajax or Arm & Hammer stuff I've been using for years. Since it's designed for use in both regular TL's and HE machine (mines a vintage filter flo) the concentration may have something to do with things. Plus my clothes don't get all that dirty.  I sometimes have a problem with pit stains but I pretreat those. 
 
I wasn't overly impressed with it. I used the Persil Pro-Clean MegaPearls, and didn't think it was worth the price. When I used it up, I went back to the Sears Ultra Plus, which cleans nearly as good at a much lower price.
 
In my front loader I use about 1 to 2 tablespoons of the Perls when I wash whites and so it lasts about a year and works well for me.

I checked the Pro Perls web site today and see it seems to be reformulated as well. Seems like more and different ingredients.

Last thing I will say.
 
I take back everything negative I said about Persil

Curiosity got the better of me and I bought a bottle of 2 in1 and the Power Pearls, and I tried again.

The first time I tried it again, I had an oversuds in the SQ FL and the load did not get clean, as with any oversuds. Once I figured out the right dose, I started getting fantastic results. My window washing and housecleaning rags are noticeably cleaner after a few washes. It seems easier on colors than Tide, and rinses out way easier. In the FL a dab of 2in1 in the pre wash cup, 1/2 teaspoon Power Pearls in the main wash cup and a scant Tablespoon Clorox chlorine bleach, plus some extra rinses, yields dazzling white tidy whities. (That's with a water softener, BTW -- probably more would be needed in unsoftened water or with really big loads.)

Unlike the first time, I've never again had an unpleasant or overpowering scent with these 2 formulas either. If there's any scent left, it's very subtle and is like the fresh, outdoor line-dried scent reminiscent of childhood -- nothing like the scent of the detergent itself. To me the detergent itself has a kind of cherry scent, on the masculine side compared to the others, and then during washing it smells different, sort of like bananas. It's interesting how it changes. Either that or there's something way wrong with my sniffer. I dunno. A lady in the store opened a bottle and said it smelled like a Christmas tree. I don't smell any pine scent but she might very well be right.
 
Glad you're getting great results.

For me the attraction of the Power Pearls is that chlorine bleach is not needed at all. Using it probably cancels the utility of the enzymes and the oxygen bleaching system that are the main things you're paying for.

Good points about the scent, which, more than most, seems to be perceived differently by different people.
 
As far as I know, Unilever only owns the rights to the Persil brand in the UK, Republic of Ireland, France and New Zealand

Persil is the premium brand in the three English speaking markets, but in France it's used as the brandname for a range of natural soap based products which I haven't seen in other markets. French Persil is sort of a premium natural-fragrance product based around Savon de Marseilles.

Unilever typically uses Skip and Omo as premium brands and Surf as a second tier. Although in France, Omo is the exact same product as UK/Ireland Surf i.e. second tier and highly fragranced.

I don't really know what they're up to with Surf anymore. It's all about perfume and it has been shifted to a much more premium position (it used to be all about value) but they have kept it as a single-enzyme bio which probably isn't nearly as good at cleaning as its sister products in the Persil range.

Also in the UK and Ireland, Persil non-bio is a totally different formula. The liquids smell a bit like Dove shampoo.

Persil Powder in the UK and Ireland also smells more like Dove soap bars than anything any other fragrance I can think of. They probably share some common Unilever fragrance lab components or something.

The Persil Bio 'small and mighty' liquids have a kind of sweet, clean synthetic smell. It's hard to describe but it's not floral and it's not that clawing either. Quite pleasant but it's very sweet.
 
I bought a bottle of PowerPerls online from Walmart.com, shortly after its introduction, but never bothered to try it until I saw this thread. I did a load of colors (mostly pastel shirts and light colored khakis) on Warm in an Electrolux 60 FL, using Normal cycle. I use 1-2 tbsp (15-30 ml) per load and measure using a coffee scoop.

No oversudsing. Scent is there but no worse than Persil perls brought home from Germany. Cleans nicely, as well as German Persil Megaperls. I have virtually no white clothes, save for 2-3 white shirts and the only things i wash with hot water are towels and bed linens. I realize that the US PowerPerl product is likely similar to Universal MegaPerls in German (i.e. intended for whites rather than colored loads) but I have had no problems with fading using the supposedly white US product (but I wash clothing on warm, not hot.

I do find the bottle oddly shaped and not easy to use. I simply empty the bottle into a large Glad plastic food storage container. Lid keeps it airtight, and it stacks neatly without risk of tipping over. I use a coffee scoop to measure, which is not practical with the original bottle design.
 
 
Scent of the 2in1 liquid is more intense than the perls.  I measure it with a 1 / 2 tablespoon cup from Pepto.  Ran across mention recently of a new liquid scent, Extra Fresh Linen, for the ProClean Power-Liquid (green color label).
 
I've used many types of electric vented (Euro and US) and condenser dryers.  I've used one heat pump dryer (my current Miele, which I've had for two years).  I used to have a Maytag Neptune gas dryer.

 

I have to say that I never noticed any difference in the smell or feel of clothes from that gas dryer and results were excellent (except it didn't reverse and thus balled bedding, driving me nuts).  The only time I could detect any kind of combustion (or non-electric type of smell) was on opening the dryer mid-cycle and sticking my head pretty much inside the drum.  Whites seemed to stay just as gleaming white as I'd expect from an electric dryer.  Having said that, I only lived with it for a year so I didn't get the opportunity to see any potential long-term effects on old fabrics over many years.  Perhaps it also depends on the model of dryer and whether it is correctly adjusted and functioning properly e.g. burning cleanly and at the right temperature etc.
 

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