What do people think of the new Persil available in USA?

[launderess]

While it may be "ok" to use chlorine with an hydrogen peroxide bleach, why would you? Have found oxygen bleach far superior to chlorine especially when part of an activated system.

While can understand adding say water softener (phosphates) and perhaps oxygen bleach when using a detergent that does not have it included, and or to kick things up a notch when dealing with badly stained wash; cannot comprehend the need to create various witches brews for doing laundry.

We no longer live in the 1800's! If you aren't getting proper results from a particular laundry detergent then either your methods are off and or you need to find something else.

No longer bother adding anything really when using various European detergents (the modern versions, not vintage stuff in my stash), as Persil, Ariel, Le Chat, OMO, and the rest all give excellent results on their own. Especially when used in the Miele (good) or OKO-Lavamat (better).

 

[bajaespuma]

Consumer Reports made a significant distinction between the different types of Persil liquids. I think they liked the "+ pro-lift technology" formula better than all the others. It took some doing in my area to locate that specific one.

 

I've used it but it's VERY fragrant and it over-sudses a lot. I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle. I like the fragrance but I don't want to walk around in public smelling like my laundry detergent. I remember when I was in high school I had a couple of friends who smelled like Wisk all day long. I wanted to tell them to tell their mothers to use less but I was still deeply inside the laundry closet and didn't want to out myself.

 

I think the Miele powders are near-perfect detergents. We have a turkish supermarket near us that stocks small bags of the regular and color formulas.

 

[launderess]

American Persil

Yes, the stuff froths quite a bit and has a tenacious scent.

Have found for a full 5kg load in the Miele or Lavamat to use no more than 15ml or less, it varies by load size and soil level. That cap is obviously geared for dosing in large American "HE" or whatever top loading washers. Have both a bottle of the German Persil gel and American version side by side in my laundry area. The cap for the latter is vastly larger than former. Using a full or even half cap of the American version is sure to cause issues with froth and rinsing IMHO.

Scent wise again if the right amount is used things aren't "that" bad. Far more noticeable than Tide liquid, and that is saying something.

 

[vacerator]

Using way too much.

Use less, get less frothing, and a nice mild fresh scent.

 

[mrboilwash]

"I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle"

Ken, you`re not the only American here on AW.org who can`t imagine so I decided to take pictures of a boil wash cycle with German Persil today. Can tell you it`s right the opposite of what you`d expect.
While it is quite sudsy when the water heats up from cold to hot the suds collapse once the water gets really hot.

Actually all European detergents behave more or less in this way.
It might be different in extremly soft water conditions, or in cases of severe overdose, and of course American Persil might be different as well.

Picture #1 was taken when the water was warm.

Picture #2 was taken right after the heater had cut off at 89°C (192°F)

 

[henene4]

89C

I found that the range between 50C and about 75C is the actual suds range of most detergents. Beyond that, most suds collapse. However, the interim spins on boil washes have a higher tendency to sudslock conditions as the extracted water is usualy somewhere in that range, even with a cool down.

 

[bajaespuma]

15 ml it will be.

I have to be especially careful because here in Branford, Connecticut, we happen to be blessed with very soft water.

 

IIRC the water in New York City, which gets piped in from 100 miles north of the city out of the beautiful Ashokan reservoir is not only the tastiest water I've ever had, but it is also soft. When we lived near Rhinebeck NY and had well water it was ridiculously hard. Disgusting to drink and very hard on the laundry. I remember that it was close to impossible to get soap to lather in the shower. Water hardness makes a bigger difference I think than any difference between brands of detergent.

 

When my sister lived in Strasbourg, France she told me they had boxes of some special water softener that they had to use for everything, in the washer, in the dishwasher and when cleaning anything like the floor or bathroom fixtures. I guess this is why European dishwashers have built-in salt exchangers.

 

[mrsalvo]

I'll have to agree with bajaespuma, water hardness makes the biggest difference in detergents. Here in S. Central Texas the water is out of an aquifer and is very hard. I add water softner, usually Calgon, to each load. I found Persil to be very good at cleaning but the scent is over-the-top, so I agree with Laundress. Also thought it to fade my darks, and very sudsy. I found that for the price, other brands do as good, or better in not fading colors, think it might be the water hardness factoring in on that.

 

[user 3941]

I was using Persil 2-in-1 for my everyday detergent but while I like the scent, I didn't want it on everything. So now I keep it to use on really dirty or smelly wash loads. It is absolutely fantastic at getting out stains and odors. I just washed a car detail cloth that was black and smelled like gas, grease, brake dust, you name it. Came out completely clean and fresh smelling. It's good stuff for sure. I just prefer the Tide scents for my clothes.

 

[liamy1]

Water hardness

Is definitely one of the things in play with detergents.

In the part of the UK I am, we have extremely soft water (they can barely get a reading - and as mentioned by previous poster, we are advised not to put salt in the dishwasher for the softness here - advice that is almost never given).

We have to be super careful with doses and the like (granted our detergents are designed differently to US anyway, so are not too bad).

Have used a couple of US detergents (the HE stuff) and if I used the recommended dose, would have a free foam party (interestingly, the HE Turbo stuff suds more).

 

[sarat]

Oxy vs Bleach vs Powder vs Liquid etc etc

Laundress, to answer your Q above:  I guess I've never had good results with any 'oxy' type of product. Perhaps it's because I've been using a crappy washing machine for so long, or perhaps it's user error, but oxy has never given me good results, even with household cleaning products. I was raised with Comet and/or bleach with hot water for all things 'clean', so I'm sure my perception is heavily influenced by my upbringing. I've never mastered perfect results with bleach but this doesn't seem to deter me from trying! LOL. Anyway, I finally scored my dream washer/dryer set a week ago (TOL, automatic vintage maytags) & I've been experimenting with various temps, cycles & detergents, trying to hone my craft. ‎
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As for the rest of the thread, mind you, I'm a fan of suds & like to see them in my wash, so recently I've purchased detergents that have been reported to produce sudsing action. Whether or not suds mean anything in terms of cleanliness, I don't know, but I like them regardless.  I'm currently awaiting a few boxes of STP and STPP to use as a detergent booster. I've never used the latter but I've used STP before & found it to be remarkable for brightening dingy whites (although too much of it can turn clothing into Swiss cheese with the holes it creates  So, here's been my limited experience thus far:‎
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Persil ProClean PowerPearls, Intense Fresh (US Henkel): Used as recommended in both hot and warm cycles with cold rinse. (Washing son's bio hazardous bed clothes.) No suds produced and the water turned dark gray.  Finished product was clean but not completely spotless. However, his sheets are the most soiled of everyhing in the house and getting them spotless is always a tough job. The laundry smelled nice afterwards, not overpowering. Granted, it may take a few cycles of washing everything we own to rid clothing/sheets of body oil build up left behind from years of subpar washing. Overall, I was impressed with the power pearls but not blown away. However, it probably has more to do with the soil level of my sons sheets than it does the Persil itself. I'll give the powder a solid effort by trying it with a variety of clothing before rendering an informed opinion. 
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Persil Original Scent Liquid Detergent (US Henkel). Also used in hot or warm with cold rinse. (Washed my bed sheets and my son's bio hazardous socks.) This produced sudsing action, although not as much as I'd like. Everything came out very clean. I did boost it with a splash of borax and washing soda, not sure if this made a difference? Very pleased with the results.  

Cheer ColorGuard Liquid in the black bottle. Used in warm wash/cold rinse for a various load of mixed darks. (For whatever reason I just can't force myself to wash in cold water, at least not yet.)  Very nice sudsing and the colors came out 'invigorated.' I've never tried detergent formulated for darks before. I must say I'm very impressed, shockingly so.‎

I decided to experiment with the Cheer Colorguard a bit more, so I washed my white socks & in hot water/cold rinse using Cheer colorguard with a dash of Borax & washing soda. (I need a chemistry lesson as I don't really know the difference between the two or even if they counteract each other.) The results were really great & I'd like to know why that is? Here is a photo of matching socks. Both are 'clean' but one was washed with Cheer CG/Borax/Soda and one was washed in my old machine using a standard detergent (Liquid Tide 'he', IIRC. ) 

I'm interested to know what the colorguard has or lacks that seems to brighten (not fade) dark colors, as well as its ability brighten/intensify white colors. I'm also interested to know what everyone finds to be most effective for keeping and/or restoring whites to their original shade by eliminating the graying/dinginess that occurs over time?   I have two teens, both VERY active in sports & deficient in areas of hygiene, so the soil level of my laundry is probably much greater than that of your average, adult household.  ‎

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[DADoES]

 
SaraT,

TSP (TriSodium Phosphate) (what you refer to as STP), should not be used as a laundry additive.  It's too harsh (reference:  your remark about holes) and generates a precipitate when binding to minerals in the water.

STPP (Sodium TriPoly Phosphate) is a complex phosphate compound, gentler, and does not generate a precipitate.

 

[sarat]

TSP

Yes, TSP is what I meant. It was indeed harsh on clothing but reducing the amount mitigated the negative effect of eating through clothing. I don't know about precipitate, but again TSP isn't something I've frequently used or even used recently, for that matter. I just remember it making my whites remarkably white. I'm anxious to try STPP.  I'm also curious to know what others have found to be most effective for washing whites (in terms of detergents, boosters, powder vs liquid & so forth.) ‎

 

[foraloysius]

Perhaps this thread is interesting for you.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?66795_19

 

[sarat]

Does anyone know if the Persil Universal is the 'good stuff'?

 

[vacerator]

I've only seen

the pro Clean Persil here.

 

[sarat]

Same here..

But eBay & Amazon carry different flavors. Some European, universal, USA, etc.

 

[johnb300m]

turn up your sound

http://https//youtu.be/BfXw6eYEdec

 

[user 3941]

That was awesome John!

 

[helicaldrive]

FWIW

Persil has become my favorite detergent. I have come to love the complex scent. I wish Yankee candle made a Persil Original scent candle. The Original liquid is more concentrated than 2-in-1, needs a smaller dose than 2-in-1 and can oversuds if overdosed with softened water. I think of it as an equivalent to the German Persil Color gel, although I believe the former has optical brighteners whereas Color gel does not. The 2-in-1 makes less suds, is better at stains and keeping things bright and white, but color preservation is slightly less. The Power Pearls make the least suds, and are fantastic for white laundry and for things like blue jeans which I like to keep bright. But they will make laundry dingy quickly in the case of overdosing or inadequate rinsing. The Power Pearls, like all powders, leave laundry a tad stiff. The PowerCaps make a lot of suds with a water softener, and an oversuds situation with anything less than a full load, but it rinses out amazingly faster than the other formulas -- the first rinse will often be suds free. However the so-called Original PowerCaps scent is not the same as Original or 2-in-1 -- to me it has more of a pine component like Irish Spring soap or Mountain Spring Tide.

Any lingering scent from any variety of Persil is no stronger than with any other detergent -- in my experience, unless you overdose.

My cleaning rags continue to get whiter and less stained every time I wash them in 2-in-1.

My first negative experience with Persil Original liquid has only recurred one time. I washed a load of towels that had sat unused for years at my Mom's house, where there had been some mold in the air due to a flood, and I used a very heavy dose of Persil Original, and they came out dingy and funky smelling. I washed them again in Persil and they came out cleaner and brighter than ever before with no overpowering scent. Persil seems to get out dirt and residues other detergents leave behind, but when it does so, it takes more than one laundering. JMO.

That said, Tide and Cheer are still outstanding products too, and it seems to be beneficial to occasionallly switch detergent for a load once in awhile.

Which reminds me -- Tide is also great at keeping things white and bright but it's harder to rinse out than Persil.

For what it's worth. Laundry seems to be an extremely subjective thing -- and the most interesting thing about this site is how widely our experiences and opinions vary.

 

[wishwash]

Scent...

I took my old bottle of Persil off the shelf the other day to wash some whites. Surprisingly I thought the scent was pleasant and tolerable when I walked back into the laundry room during the wash cycle. Maybe it was the smaller dosage. The problem seems to be when my laundry dries. Mosquito repellent is the closest scent I can think of. Any idea why the scent would be changing when my clothes dry? It does not matter whether I put them in the dryer or hang them up.

 

[launderess]

Did several loads of linens over the weekend

Using the Persil powder swapped with Stan several months back, and Persil 2 in 1 liquid (for gel it certainly isn't IMHO).

During the ironing and after things had aired while folding and putting away can say, yes, the scents are both same. That is the "American" Persil left same scent on the linens as powder.

Have figured out when it comes to using the Persil 2 in 1 it is all about dosing. Get it right and things are not only clean/fresh, but there aren't any issues with froth and or rinsing. Used barely 15ml to 25ml in the Miele of the American Persil liquid which seemed to work fine.

 

[launderess]

An observation regarding Persil in general

There seems to be some sort of cult in USA about seeing how little Persil powder or whatever one can get away with using. This maybe the cause of many issues regarding performance that have cropped up here and there.

Friends of ours redid their home and went totally upscale European for the kitchen appliance wise, including a Miele washer and dryer. However they were noticing that laundry wasn't as clean as it should and or things still had a bit of pong.

Well me being me opinion was asked, and I gave it......

Turns out they were using about one or two tablespoons of Persil powder. Apparently reading on various internet sites like that was the often recommended dosage... *Sigh*.

The dosage up to 1/4 to 1/2 cup I said, and this did the trick. Wash was clean, white, bright and no more B.O. whiff.

Yes, one knows tap water here in NYC is vastly softer than what one finds in much of Europe. But there are limits to how much detergent dosage can be reduced.

Maybe with the mega-perls one could get away with dosage in the tablespoons full, but not the powder it seems.

 

[wishwash]

Fresh Linen...

Has anyone tried the fresh linen scent? I can't seem to find it around here, but it sounds like a scent that I might like better than the original or intense fresh.

 

[launderess]

Fresh linen scent

Have seen it locally here, but since am still on first bottle of Persil PC haven't bothered. From just opening the cap and inhaling it did have a pleasant enough smell.

 

[launderess]

Thing about Europe

Is TAED bleaching activator long went off patent and is thus available to anyone, even private label detergent makers.

Here in USA P&G has a lock on NBOS technology so anyone else wanting a bleaching activator must think of something else, and or go with TAED. IIRC the Persil perls that were discontinued in USA had a TAED activated oxygen bleaching system.

 

[mamapinky]

When I got my Duet my first FL I was cautioned to use 1 or 2 T of detergent only well that worked for the first few loads when I realized I want clean clothes and a clean washer so I upped my dosage. I have not had a suds issue with US Persil Pearls using 5T that don't resolve themselves by the first rinse. I really can't understand how clothes can be clean using 1 T of anything. I know of people that use 1 teaspoon that say no suds at all is how it should be and swear their textiles are clean and their washer sweet smelling.

 

[launderess]

Am here to say something else

Folded and put away the last of things washed in Persil "2in1", and can honestly say the remaining scent was no more powerful than any other version of German/Henkel Persil.

Again the key here it seems to be getting dosage down to proper amounts suited to load size/soil level.

 

[launderess]

Linen Fresh

After visiting several shops over the past few days the thing cannot be found. All anyone has is the new "Pro10" formula, of which there does not seem to be a "linen fresh" scent. If there is no one thus far seems to be stocking...

If you remotely like this scent suggest getting some soon, and or finding out from local vendors if Persil will continue to have.

 

[supersuds]

I saw some in a grocery store this week (Food City) and took the cap off for a whiff. It did not seem strong, and was about the same as the Tide linen scent made a few years ago, as best as I can recall. I know some people liked that a lot.