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A high % of European fridges are cold wall designs or use cold wall and a recirculating fan.

The standard European fridge design has a cold rear wall with a channel at the back of the fridge that collects condensate that drains away into an evaporating tray sitting on top of the compressor.

Also the majority of them use a condenser that cools passively, not a fan driven one.

Even the most recent designs are partially cold wall. They’ve a very different evaporator design to your typical US fridge and the fridge and freezer cabinets are Nothomb to do with each other..

I remember we had a full height (2m tall) Bosch fridge freezer when I was growing go which had two compressors, one for each compartment.
 
cold wall design

Launderess its all about 2 things - efficiency and low cost.

My fridge is a Haier 220 litre 2 door. It was the cheapest 2 door on the Aussie market at the time (about 10 years ago) yet was super efficient by the standards of the time, though there are fully frost free models of larger size that use less power on the market now.
It has a manual defrost freezer of about 30 litres above a (cold rear wall) fridge of about 190 litres. It has been great for us.
the freezer is well insulated and has good hefty door seals. It only needs defrosting maybe once a year or 18 months.
The freezer evaporator is just a tube that circulates refrigerant around the freezer cavity - you only see the plastic walls of the freezer, the tubes are tucked behind. The refrigerant tube then passes to the back wall of the fridge compartment, again tucked behind the plastic rear wall of the fridge compartment. The tube zigzags down behind the plastic back wall, creating a cold surface area of the entire inner back wall of the fridge. The plastic is moulded to form a gutter at the bottom which drains to a catch pot on top of the fridge compressor and the condensed water evaporates away when the compressor is running.
When the compressor runs, the freezer chills first, then the refrigerant gas passes down behind the back wall of the fridge, creating a "passive evaporator" at the back of the fridge cavity before returning to the compressor. The back wall gets a light frost on it when the compressor is running but once the fridge is down to temperature and the compressor click off, the fridge temperature is still above freezing and the evaporator is only lightly frosted, the fine frost layer passively defrosts, needing no defrost elements or fans.
The simple way to think of it is that you are actively chilling the freezer compartment and getting almost "free" refrigeration of the fridge compartment simply by running the refrigerant gas down the back wall of the fridge compartment before it goes back to the compressor.

It is a very efficient system because you are getting your fridge cooled almost for free from the cold gases leaving the freezer evaporator, and because it is a very cheap to manufacture system with no fans, defrost elements, ducting, flaps, false walls and so on.

It needs to be precisely engineered to ensure that both compartments are kept within design temperature when there is only 1 thermostat, it only measures fridge temperature and it is assumed (designed in) that the freezer will be down to temp before the fridge thermostat is satisfied and shuts off. This in turn depends on the fridge being kept in a room that is warm enough to keep the thermostat cycling on often enough to keep the freezer down to temp. If the unit is installed in an unheated basement in a US Midwestern winter, the room is likely to be so cold that the fridge thermostat only rarely comes on, which would have the freezer warming up too much before the compressor came on again. That is my guess why these types of fridge aren't common in the USA.

I know that's a lotta words but that's the simplified version. Well, you asked...
 
Combo52 wrote:

"GE and Hotpoint also did this, All the original two door top freezer GEs and HPs from about 1948-53 had a second freon filled cooling system powered off the freezer evaporator. This expensive design to build gave you a higher temperature evaporator which did not wring as much moisture out of the air, condensed water ran down the inside walls to a drain in the rear corner of the refrigerator liner."

 

I have a 1951 GE combination as a second fridge in the basement, and it's totally amazing.  If I put a bunch of parsley in a glass with a little water in it, uncovered, the parsley lasts for weeks.  It it wasn't so ugly, having been painted with a brush in the past, it would be front and center in my kitchen.  As you say, it was an expensive design, and I'm sure that's why GE changed the design later in the decade. 
 
I wonder if there's any significant difference between a "coldwall" design and a passive cooling design (i.e. think GE serpentine coils atop the refrigerator section or Kelvinator cold-plate along 3 sides of the top of the refrigerator section) with drippage into the drip pan.

Clearly the current "norm" in US/Canada is fan-forced refrigerator and freezer (was the first the Westinghouse Cold Injector?) with two controls (thermostat and airflow)
 
How did these Kelvinator fridge/freezers defrost without electric heating elements? Just shutting off cooling and waiting for nature (or physics) to do the work?

 
Cold Wall Refrigerators

Hi Chris, Reply #22, That is a great description of how a basic two door cycle defrost ref works Except cooling the lower ref compartment is not FREE by any stretch of the imagination. 

 

When you put warm food in the fresh food section, fill it up after a grocery store run  open the door etc the compressor turns on a runs and runs even though the freezer was perfectly sitting near zero degrees it is using a lot of electricity to cool the ref section.

 

In the US we built millions and millions of these two door cycle defrost refrigerators and they are still built the world over. They are the ultimate in simplicity and reliability but fell out of favor for many reasons.

 

The down sides, uneven slow cooling and freezing of food items placed in the F or the FF sections, the freezer has to be defrosted manually and packages get frozen together hard to read etc. In the FF section anything that touches the back wall can freeze and be ruined, gets wet and things on the upper door shelves are not as cold, the user has to be careful where things are stored.

 

John L.
 
Reply #25 Magic Cycle Kelvinator

Hi Launderess, These used a hot gas defrost defrost system that quickly warm-up the freezer compartment shell and allowed ice to melt and then go back to freezing again all in about 10 minutes.

 

Other brands like Westinghouse did this with electric heaters which probably took a little longer.

 

The reason these systems quickly fell out of favor was they did not work well if the freezer was packed full packages would melt slightly and freeze together and defrosting was uneven and some frosty areas often either remained or grew over time, and customers did not like seeing frost.

 

John L.
 
The wisdom over here is a 7C fridge with produce drawers at 0-4C and meat storage at about 0-1C.

That is about 45/40/35F.

My Samsung is a bottom freezer self defrost system with inverter driven compressor, a heater for defrost and a single fan in the freezer section.

The drawers are fed by a baffle system with a slider that allows you to adjust cold air flow.

Dunno if you can acess this link but that is my setup:
https://download.aswo.com/service.p...t=0&checksum=2be015c975e8ae7f8ba0789821318a4d

One reason for the moist cool/cold wall design over here is also built in appliances.

About 75% of the kitchens I know have built in fridges and/or built in fridge-freezers.

They are only 55cm wide and have a limited depth and height.

While only minimal, a fan and compact condenser do take up some more space.
A cold wall design is pretty sandwiched on the back and the compressor is usually tucked in at the bottom so that the drawer is somewhat less deep.

On a built in fridge only that makes them self defrost aswell as discussed before here.
The evap temp is only sub freezing during compressor operation, thus any frost thaws once the compressor turns off, runs down the back wall through an opening into a pan ontop of the compressor to evaporate again into the room.
 
 
My fresh food section is set at 35°F, freezer section at -2°F.

The meat drawer is a Custom Cool drawer that has:
- a timed defrost function (1/2 LB = 4 hrs, 1 LB = 6 hrs, 2 LBS = 10 hrs, 3 LBS = 12 hrs) (use it often)
- timed Quick Chill function (15, 30, 45 mins) (have never used it)
- specific temp settings for Citrus (43°F), Produce (35°F) and Meat (30°F).
 
GE Serpentine Coil Boxes

I believe I was told that there was a thermostat mounted to the serpentine coil and the compressor ran until that coil's temperature read -20F. A surface that cold pulled a lot of moisture out of the air in the fresh food section. As the frost on the coil melted, it went from a solid to a liquid state so it did not return much moisture to the environment of the fresh food section.
 
 
Anyone have a photo of GE's claimed "Neverclean" design?  How does the heat dissipate (presumably meaning without a fan) if it's "located in the compressor housing instead of on back?"  Does that mean the condenser is physically part of the compressor, not a separate coil structure?
 
No, the GE never clean

is a jelly roll condensor. I don't know abot the dual evap. cooling models, with a seperate fridge section evaporator coil. I vacuum mine twice yearly. It doesn't get nearly as dusty as the flat serpentine style.
 
 
OK, that's what I figured.

Neverclean is complete marketing bullsh!t.

This is mine today.  The non-fan side of the coil roll is closed with a cardboard cover.  The fan pulls air in through the coil roll from the left side of the front toekick and/or the rear cover (which is slotted at the coil side, solid at the compressor side) and blows it across the compressor and out the right side of the toekick.  It was cleaned by blowing with an air compressor not more than a year ago.  There's no way vacuuming can reach the full surface, around the backside.

It's a 16yo Arctica SxS, dual-evaporator.  One (variable speed) compressor with a valve to direct the refrigerant to either or both of the evaporators.

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