What is your idea about GE-Electrolux combination?

[behzad]

Hey Arbilab, I just want to say thank you,
I guess Frigidaire used to make stuff like this, it has blackish door seal, I'm right?

BJ

 

[arbilab]

The boot is black. But the Frigidaire name was leased to White (WCI) long before this machine was conceived.

 

[behzad]

Thanks a lot Arbilab,

BJ

 

[jerrod6]

The big question is:  Will Electrolux introduce the same quality machines to the USA that it has released in Europe. Released in Germany? To me this is a big question....no matter what company is producing the machines.  Same Quality? Same cycles?(probably not), Same warranty(hasn't been done in the past)?

 

So there are a lot of questions regardless manufacturer. 

 

What I can't understand is why folks in North America(NA) can't have the same warranties and performance that folks in some Euro countries get?    We don't want to keep our machines as long?  We don't really care?  We want something new in 4 years?   It  cost too much to make and ship over and we don't want to pay the money?

 

Anyone have ideas about this?

 

 

 

[henene4]

Actually, the new compacts by Electrolux are a somewhat changed copy of the EU system.

 

[mrb627]

Money?

It cost too much to make and ship over and we don't want to pay the money?

But we pay the shipping from Korea? Can there be that big a difference between the two sources?

Malcolm

 

[behzad]

Dear friends;
According to the recent activities, I wanna say yes. I'm agree with all of you.

details:

Jerrod6 > I think that's not gonna happen, the current European machines made by Electrolux are even down graded(compare with products before merge) and I don't think about a new line of US. localized appliances, they may offer some 120v versions of current European machines, as they're doing now(I mean Electrolux compact washers which are available in the US.)
so that was all my theory, you know it's just a theory and was based on recent activities of Electrolux co. inside the country, but about the next generation of GE, I really have no idea cause it's seems to be really complicated.

Henene4 > you'r right. the factory is still in Italy?
you my German friend, you may know the answer, AEG/Electrolux products are OK, but can someone compare them with really high-quality appliances like Miele?
It's obvious, NO (am I wrong?)

Malcolm > Hi Malcolm, I have really no idea!
I just wanna say that I really don't like well-dressed appliances came with low-quality, no matter what the trade mark is

 

[henene4]

True, nothing compares to Miele, but still, price wise, nothing compares to Miele

 

[Practigal]

Eurostyle

My understanding is that European styling (meaning the washer dryer in the kitchen or a washer dryer combo in the kitchen under the counter in the smaller size) is not considered to be a big market for US sales...and since none of the smaller washers and dryers are eligible for some type of environmental rebate (at least in California) there is even less incentive to buy them.

Then for some there is simple flawed logic: smaller washer should mean smaller price tag.

I have to laugh because the newest machines are just so big I really cannot touch the bottom without standing on something. Even if I were to take all of our clothes, sheets and towels for a week they probably wouldn't equal one full load on those monster machines. I am absolutely certain that there are families out there that are large enough to make good use of those machines but I think that most people just buy them because they are what is available (with a little incentive from the rebate) ...and then, because they really are using them at an inappropriate capacity (or improperly loaded or with the wrong type or amount of soap), find that they don't do a very good job.

 

[foraloysius]

Eurostyle

I think this is a misunderstanding about what Eurostyle is. A washer and/or dryer in the kitchen is something you find in the UK rather often, but not so on the biggest part of the continent. Washers and dryers can be found in laundryrooms/sculleries or laundry closets. In smaller dwellings also often in a bathroom, but almost never in a kitchen.

 

[behzad]

Hey Practigal;
The smaller size is not always better,
some like British people have no problem with inside-the-kitchen laundry room, but in some other well-developed European countries, like Germany or Switzerland you can find that the residents of a certain apartment sharing a laundry room which equipped with high-end professional laundry machines. as you know it's not a rule, some have their own laundry room(separated area) and others using the building semi-private laundry center with some critical rules!
and I think the higher price of European laundry machines, actually the good ones, came from the material and very fine parts that been using during the assembling process, some leader manufacturers are still using the best grade stainless steal to making both of drum and basket, heavy duty bearings, shock absorbers, hi-tech electronic boards, extremely powerful motors to maximize the water extraction(result in more efficient drying), ets
the capacity is not too small for an average family, moreover it can handle around 17 pounds of clothes. that means perfect results even in full load and more energy and water saving

 

[Practigal]

Interesting... Humor does not always translate

In my experience, the use of the terms Eurosize or Eurostyle in the US is synonymous with (i) smaller, (ii) streamlined, (iiii) very efficient, and (ivA) very hard to get and (ivB) expensive parts. No offense was intended by reference to European; quite the contrary, it is a compliment. I personally prefer the "eurostyle" washing machines because I have smaller loads and I know they are handled very well in the eurostyle machines because I own one...and it is in my kitchen (as I have no other place for it in my house. I was raised in the Outback -is that almost UK enough to explain having it in my kitchen?) I am critcizing (laughing at) the currently overly large size of the US washer and the convoluted logic supporting its size. But I am not laughing for a friend of mine who recently purchased a very large Cabrio washing machine and wants to return it…

 

[foraloysius]

No offense taken. I guess I misinterpreted what you said. Sorry for that.

 

[behzad]

Miele, Asko and ... are great machines. actually they're perfect, but I still believe in big top load washers;
you know this kind of machines using a totally different method to get the job done. agitation instead of tumbling! that's a bit traditional,but still works!
I guess most of the people prefer a big washer to do the laundries perfectly, and I never forget the amazing top load washers made by GE, Maytag and...
they use to make very solid machines which could handle a huge load very quickly and extremely quiet, came whit an eligible price that every family can afford it.
forget to mention that some manufacturers are still making these guys,
so every washer has it's own benefits and of course some problems! both of top and front load washers are good, no matter where the manufacturers are.

best regards
BJ

 

[behzad]

To Foraloysius

Hallo Louise;
I never met you Sir, but I'm sure you're a good guy who knows nearly everything about home appliances spatially laundry machines. you may remember me cause couple of weeks ago we had a conversation about my new AEG washer and the similarities with Adorina line and you gave me lot's of information, then I got you're an expert!
according to the recent activities, I must say you're right, British people doing it, I saw and seeing so many families have their laundry machines under the kitchens's counter top, even without dryer. again as I said it's not a rule, and it would be different place to place.
it's obvious that you did't do anything wrong, and I personally don't like the British style.

BJ

 

[behzad]

To Practigal

Hey Practigal;
Would you like to give me some more information about your European washer?

BJ

 

[arbilab]

The FL washers I see advertised here (US) look like they're intended to wash pets and children up to about age 6. Reminds me of the tailfin wars on US cars in the late 50s.

 

[behzad]

So you talking about LG mega capacity? or something else?

 

[launderess]

European vs. American H-Axis Washer Capacity

We've been though this topic before numerous times.

Long story short is the American appliance market must contend with households in this country overwhelmingly hard wired to large capacity top loading washing machines. That and the speed of doing laundry which comes from same.

European housewives and others long made their peace with 5kg washers by doing laundry as required. If this means doing the laundry every other or each day then so be it. On the other side of the pond American women/households still clung to the ages old tradition of a set wash day. That is one day per week or so doing *all* the washing and that would be that.

Obviously if you are going that route you need washing machines with larger capacities and or ability to complete cycles quickly. Sadly for American's tighter restrictions on energy which translate into water use adds a new complexion to things. Using less water means cycles must run longer to compensate for the "wet wipe" washing.

On average everything about most USA homes is slightly different than some Europeans. Our houses are larger and we tend to believe bigger is better. It wasn't that long ago Consumer Reports was panning Miele, Asko and other front loaders because of their "small" capacity. Indeed all the European brands had a difficult time outside of major urban (and often affluent) areas pushing their "compact" washers and dryers. Yes, in often space challenged New York City apartments a Miele, Creda, Bosch, Asko, Equator etc... set was just the solution, but for those living in larger homes they were often out of the question.

Problem is larger capacity front loaders require a more robust design to cope with handling 18lbs to 22lbs of washing over a daily duty cycle/lifespan. Electrolux, Miele, Bosch, etc.. all know how to do this because they have made commercial machines for decades. However the average American household is not going to pay >4K for a washing machine. That is what the smallest and cheapest offerings by Wascomat, Dexter and other commercial units start.

So you get machines with marginally larger capacity, but really are paying for more bells and whistles to make it look as if you are getting value for money. However under the bonnet things are often very different.

Miele and Bosch both launched "huge" capacity washing machines to the USA market with much fanfare. Neither lasted more than a few years before being withdrawn from the market. IIRC all had various problems ranging from early bearing failure to what was seen by many as poor quality in relation to cost.

Of course the people who started the bad taste towards "huge" front loaders in the USA was someone you thought would have known better; Maytag. What should and perhaps could have been a break through in American domestic laundry technology ended up a bad word in many households.

Play with the thought for a moment if Maytag and really done their homework before launching Neptune washers and at once went back to the drawing board when complaints began to pour in.

 

[askolover]

Asko did it too

When Miele and Bosch brought out the "big guns", Asko turned to either Samsung or LG, not sure which just that it was a "made in Korea" washer. I looked at them when they were available because I wanted to see the size...but when I saw "made in Korea" instead of Made in Sweden, I left the store! We decided we would continue to do laundry about every other day as we have always done. At least we don't have smelly clothes hidden in hampers growing who knows what awaiting their turn in the wash.