What is your idea about GE-Electrolux combination?

[Practigal]

Interesting... Humor does not always translate

In my experience, the use of the terms Eurosize or Eurostyle in the US is synonymous with (i) smaller, (ii) streamlined, (iiii) very efficient, and (ivA) very hard to get and (ivB) expensive parts. No offense was intended by reference to European; quite the contrary, it is a compliment. I personally prefer the "eurostyle" washing machines because I have smaller loads and I know they are handled very well in the eurostyle machines because I own one...and it is in my kitchen (as I have no other place for it in my house. I was raised in the Outback -is that almost UK enough to explain having it in my kitchen?) I am critcizing (laughing at) the currently overly large size of the US washer and the convoluted logic supporting its size. But I am not laughing for a friend of mine who recently purchased a very large Cabrio washing machine and wants to return it…

 

[foraloysius]

No offense taken. I guess I misinterpreted what you said. Sorry for that.

 

[behzad]

Miele, Asko and ... are great machines. actually they're perfect, but I still believe in big top load washers;
you know this kind of machines using a totally different method to get the job done. agitation instead of tumbling! that's a bit traditional,but still works!
I guess most of the people prefer a big washer to do the laundries perfectly, and I never forget the amazing top load washers made by GE, Maytag and...
they use to make very solid machines which could handle a huge load very quickly and extremely quiet, came whit an eligible price that every family can afford it.
forget to mention that some manufacturers are still making these guys,
so every washer has it's own benefits and of course some problems! both of top and front load washers are good, no matter where the manufacturers are.

best regards
BJ

 

[behzad]

To Foraloysius

Hallo Louise;
I never met you Sir, but I'm sure you're a good guy who knows nearly everything about home appliances spatially laundry machines. you may remember me cause couple of weeks ago we had a conversation about my new AEG washer and the similarities with Adorina line and you gave me lot's of information, then I got you're an expert!
according to the recent activities, I must say you're right, British people doing it, I saw and seeing so many families have their laundry machines under the kitchens's counter top, even without dryer. again as I said it's not a rule, and it would be different place to place.
it's obvious that you did't do anything wrong, and I personally don't like the British style.

BJ

 

[behzad]

To Practigal

Hey Practigal;
Would you like to give me some more information about your European washer?

BJ

 

[arbilab]

The FL washers I see advertised here (US) look like they're intended to wash pets and children up to about age 6. Reminds me of the tailfin wars on US cars in the late 50s.

 

[behzad]

So you talking about LG mega capacity? or something else?

 

[launderess]

European vs. American H-Axis Washer Capacity

We've been though this topic before numerous times.

Long story short is the American appliance market must contend with households in this country overwhelmingly hard wired to large capacity top loading washing machines. That and the speed of doing laundry which comes from same.

European housewives and others long made their peace with 5kg washers by doing laundry as required. If this means doing the laundry every other or each day then so be it. On the other side of the pond American women/households still clung to the ages old tradition of a set wash day. That is one day per week or so doing *all* the washing and that would be that.

Obviously if you are going that route you need washing machines with larger capacities and or ability to complete cycles quickly. Sadly for American's tighter restrictions on energy which translate into water use adds a new complexion to things. Using less water means cycles must run longer to compensate for the "wet wipe" washing.

On average everything about most USA homes is slightly different than some Europeans. Our houses are larger and we tend to believe bigger is better. It wasn't that long ago Consumer Reports was panning Miele, Asko and other front loaders because of their "small" capacity. Indeed all the European brands had a difficult time outside of major urban (and often affluent) areas pushing their "compact" washers and dryers. Yes, in often space challenged New York City apartments a Miele, Creda, Bosch, Asko, Equator etc... set was just the solution, but for those living in larger homes they were often out of the question.

Problem is larger capacity front loaders require a more robust design to cope with handling 18lbs to 22lbs of washing over a daily duty cycle/lifespan. Electrolux, Miele, Bosch, etc.. all know how to do this because they have made commercial machines for decades. However the average American household is not going to pay >4K for a washing machine. That is what the smallest and cheapest offerings by Wascomat, Dexter and other commercial units start.

So you get machines with marginally larger capacity, but really are paying for more bells and whistles to make it look as if you are getting value for money. However under the bonnet things are often very different.

Miele and Bosch both launched "huge" capacity washing machines to the USA market with much fanfare. Neither lasted more than a few years before being withdrawn from the market. IIRC all had various problems ranging from early bearing failure to what was seen by many as poor quality in relation to cost.

Of course the people who started the bad taste towards "huge" front loaders in the USA was someone you thought would have known better; Maytag. What should and perhaps could have been a break through in American domestic laundry technology ended up a bad word in many households.

Play with the thought for a moment if Maytag and really done their homework before launching Neptune washers and at once went back to the drawing board when complaints began to pour in.

 

[askolover]

Asko did it too

When Miele and Bosch brought out the "big guns", Asko turned to either Samsung or LG, not sure which just that it was a "made in Korea" washer. I looked at them when they were available because I wanted to see the size...but when I saw "made in Korea" instead of Made in Sweden, I left the store! We decided we would continue to do laundry about every other day as we have always done. At least we don't have smelly clothes hidden in hampers growing who knows what awaiting their turn in the wash.

 

[behzad]

Are you kidding me?

Hi Askolover;
Seriously I didn't know that, I thought they steal make their own products in Sweden not in Korea!
any way did switch from stainless steal tub to plastic ones?

 

[behzad]

To dear Launderess

Hello Launderess;
That' would be my pleasure to know more about your AEG LAVAMAT,
I guess your AEG washer is quiet new, I remember something, but not quiet sure cause Kevin B told me you have stuff like this. again not sure.

BJ

 

[askolover]

Korea vs Sweden

It was only the "big" Asko washers that were made in Korea. The smaller ones were still made in Sweden until recently and I understand they are now made in Slovenia. As far as I know they are still stainless steel inside and outside tubs. I don't know how good Gorenje appliances are but I hope they can fix the mess Antonio Merloni made of Asko. That's when quality went south. I'd still take a chance on a new one...with an extended warranty! I like Asko's design because it doesn't have the front boot, just a rubber gasket like a commercial/industrial machine. I wish they would all build them like that...although my "new" Miele w1986 was very simple to replace the boot.

 

[arbilab]

We've got one of those 'N-word' Maytags in the coinop downstairs. Going on its third month out of service. Like it did last summer. And the summer before that. Where are the parts coming from, Mars?

 

[behzad]

Gorenje, Merloni are simple piece of crap.
extremely poor manufacturers in Europe, actually they make a line of dilapidated washers for Slovenian, Russia and... plus some British people buy staff like that;
fortunately Miele is still Miele!

note:guys I don't want to insult, but this is it.