What kitchenaid is this?!

[combo52]

KDS-17

Cool Find it would be neat to know when it was made, I wounder if your new DW is made much later than they were in the states.

 

There is no earthly reason to ever have the water coming into a home DW at more than 140F and the Sani hi temperature rinse cycle while neat has very little practical use except to make the dishes dry a little faster, so again to protect the DWs life I wouldn't use it much. Excessively hot water shortens the life of almost every important part of a DW, and newer detergents work very well in water as cool as 120-130F.

 

I look forward to hearing more about your new DW, John.

 

[combo52]

KDS-17

Cool Find it would be neat to know when it was made, I wounder if your new DW is made much later than they were in the states.

 

There is no earthly reason to ever have the water coming into a home DW at more than 140F and the Sani hi temperature rinse cycle while neat has very little practical use except to make the dishes dry a little faster, so again to protect the DWs life I wouldn't use it much. Excessively hot water shortens the life of almost every important part of a DW, and newer detergents work very well in water as cool as 120-130F.

 

I look forward to hearing more about your new DW, John.

 

[washer111]

John:

Bear in mind that in most cases, one cannot control the temperature of their solar heated water, unless a tempering valve has been fitted or the model is a "Split" style with the tank at ground level, that only pumps when needed. 

 

But, up to 60º would be fine. Any more is probalby wasteful

 

[mielerod69]

Very powerful heater

Did anyone notice that the total load is 3.5 kW. So this machine could handle a cold water fill as well as it would heat the water very quickly.

 

[washer111]

3.5kW

That may be the case on all KA's, or they were just taking precautions. All dishwashers of this era were connected to hot water anyhow. I'd say "TOTAL loading" could be with all features operating at once, or the motor and Sani-Heat etc. Remember the motor is 1/2HP. This being Hobart, the machine would've been built and then some (so electrically it could handle 3.5kW if one chose to install a higher powered element as part of cold connection package?). 

 

The KA book "Secrets of the Inner Circle" reveal that the machine does not heat its own water, except in the Sani cycle during the final rinse (which should be avoided, as John stated to save the machine. KA's booklet also describes this). Any other "Heating" is merely to maintain temperatures in the tub, not to raise them. 

 

[combo52]

KDS-17

The maximum connected load on the models sold in the US was around 1.4 KW so this Australian model must be very different, COOL.

 

On the US machines you had two 700 watt heaters combined into one sheath and a 1/2 HP motor that would drawer about 700 watts and the way the machine was designed was to have only any two of these three big power users on at any time so the machine could be run on a 15 AMP 120 volt line.

 

On my very similar KDS-16 in the mountain house I have it connected to a 20 AMP line so I added a relay to energize the 2nd water heater whenever the timer is calling for water heat from just one heater. Doing this has allowed me to keep the electric water heater set at about 130F and still get great results out of this DW. I have always thought that US DWs should be installed on heavier circuits so they could heat water much faster and get the job done in well less than an hour.

 

[quincyman]

Flipping

I can actually remember plastic cups or containers that flipped over on the top rack of this machine when I was a teenager. Haven't encountered anything that has flipped over in years, and the DW I have now has a spray arm for the top rack. Have always wondered about that.

 

[chachp]

Flipping on the top rack...

....I have just gotten to the point that when I have something in the top rack that I think might flip I anchor it with something else. Ironically, it's not just plastic that gets flipped. I have these really small glass bowls that I use for prep when I am cooking and those will flip. I can't imagine the water pressure going on in there. I have thought about sticking my hand in to feel the intensity but have never done it.

There was refernce earlier to the RPMs and i think my book said it should be around 50. Last time I counted I got 52 so I could have been off by a couple but seemed pretty close to that.

I have a vid that I will post when I figure out how. LOL. I may have to put it on YouTube because I don't know how to post a video here in the forum. Does anyone else know how?

 

[DADoES]

 
Videos cannot be posted directly to AW.  They have to be placed on some other hosting source, then linked/embedded in the post.  YouTube is the usual venue for doing that, they provide copy/paste link code.

 

[chachp]

Thank you.

Here is one I made a while back. It's not the best one but you get the idea. I have one that is longer but I have to do some edits to it before I upload.

 

[washer111]

Love the Sound!

As it starts to get water moving, that "Whoooing!" sound and the pulsing squirting sounds really are neat!

 

[mielerod69]

3.5 kW

Agree with you Combo52. From what you mention if you take the 700 watts away for the motor, then you are left with 2800 watts to play with. If you leave the heating element for the drying at 700 watts, then the heating element in the cabinet would be 2100 watts.
Washer111, yes that not exactly true, as not all elements would be running at once. The max draw during washing and heating would be 2800 watts leaving 700 watts for the drying.

 

[washer111]

You Are Right:

My only other idea is that the elements were simply made more powerful with the extra voltage to play with. It will be interesting to see if the machine actually heats its own water or not. So I suppose neither of us could be correct yet: Though something tells me it just uses more powerful elements for the conditions. As I'm pretty sure no KitchenAid before the 19 series (The Dreaded series) never used proper delay heating, except for Sani rinses. 

 

[ian_p61]

Hey all

I was just wondering would this part fit my machine?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321065882252#ht_500wt_689

 

[stevet]

Blower Housing...

The housing in the picture may or may not fit your machine as there were 2 different neck diameters that I know of on these machines so you may want to remove yours and check it and contact the seller. If it is smaller than yours, that is okay as you can install it and then seal it with high temp silcone sealant available at any auto parts store.
If it is larger, and if you're really in a bind to replace it, then you will probably have to make small cuts with a tin snips around the tube that forms the neck and fit it into your machine's opening where the air goes up into the tank.
I have had to do both and was successful at both instances.

Good Luck

 

[chachp]

Water heating...

Based on my expierence with this machine I don't think it will stop to heat the water except for the Sani Rinse. The element does come on while it's washing to maintain the temperature but this model does not stop to heat before it circulates water. That is of course, unless the models made for your area were designed for cold water fills.

Stevet likely knows better but I know mine wouldn't.

 

[combo52]

KDS-17 Blower Housing

I think that the blower housing on the 15-17 machines is longer than the one you found for sale. The newer ones were made of aluminum for the 18 and later models and did not rust. Note the 15-17 KA DWs had an 1100 watt dry heater and the wattage was dropped to 800 watts when the 18s came out.

 

You could probably make the newer aluminum heater housing work either by adding some metal or remounting it, this item does not need to be sealed as to be water tight, just reasonably air tight. Unless your blower housing is completely rusted through I would just clean it of rust and paint it with Hi-Temperature aluminum paint.