What led to the demise of combo washer/dryers?

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Should point out that "Thor" does not make anything. Rather the brand name was purchased and is slapped on a rebadged European or Asian made unit. Last time one checked, the company that was importing "Quietline" front loaders and combo units was bringing in the Thor units as well to the United States. IIRC, the units were made by one of the Merloni companies, not sure which though.

L.
 
Bendix cornered the market on combos -- and look what happened to them. Those Duomatics were wonderful machines. But the practicality of tying up the washer and the dryer for 2 hours or more for only one load made doing laundry an all-day job.

And, if mechanical trouble occurred whether it be a washer problem or a dryer problem, the launderer was without both machines until the problem was fixed.

Also, the spin speeds being so slow on all but the Bendix because of the suspension systems made drying take a long time.

Combos are still around. I have one in my camper. It's a Splendide, an Italian made machine. It spins at 1200 rpm, so the clothes are practically dry when the wash cycle is finished. But the capacity of this machine is very small -- after all, it IS in a camper. But it works!!! And it runs on 120v.

Depending on the fabric of the clothes, I find it best to open the machine at the end of the final spin so I can peel the clothes off the side of the tub and shake them out before the drying cycle starts. Otherwise, one might end with a "brick" of dried fabric still clinging to the side of the tub.

I sure wish Bendix was still around -- for more reasons than one.

Jerry Gay
 
Electricity wasn't that cheap in the 50's, my father was an electrical engineer! My mother (who had a 1956 Bendix Duo) said the dryer used too much electricity, they bought a dryer and kept the Duo for washing only..., it lasted 30 years!
 
Condensor Drying . . .

Most of those old combo units seem to have condensor drying. I wonder if this could have been a contributory factor to their unpopularity, as if I am right (and I may not be), condensor drying wastes a lot of water and takes longer than conventional hot air drying . . . air is free, but water is not.
 
Modern Eurpoean Condesors dont use water

Hi,

Modern condenser dryers dont use water.

There are two seperate air flows, one circulates air through the heater, the drum, the filter, a heat exchanger/condensor and then back into the element. A pump drains the water out of the heat exchanger/condensor.

The second air flow circuit, pulls in room temperature air (The cooler the better) through the heat exchanger/condensor, and then back into the room. The two air paths are seperate.

So you end up with Hot dry air in the room, water in a container or pumped down the drain, and clothes that have the water steamed out of them.

This works well in countries that line dry, as in winter when its too wet/damp/cold, I can heat my garage from the dryer.

In summer when it's hot and sunny, I just hang it all out on the line.
 
LG makes two different models.One is a 24" wide unit that does a 14 pound dry load and the other is a 27" model that does a 22 pound load.both run on 110 volts and have the condenser dry feature the 24 ' model is listed at $1499/whiteor $1599/stainless.The 27" model is listed @ $1699 and comes only in white.The average cycle takes 135 minutes from start to finish.But remember this,not all of us are at the washer when it finishes in fact the average person doesn't take the wash out for 3 hours or more after the cycle is over to put the load in the dryer.By that time,the combos are completely done.------hello.
 
Thanks, Brisnat81 . . .

That information about modern condensor dryers is interesting. It would help explain their unsuitability for many people, though. The most important market for combos has always been those who only have room for one machine, and in many cases this means an apartment with the washer hookup in the kitchen and no yard for line drying. In such a situation, drying in the summer could significantly heat up the kitchen and either make the apartment uncomfortably hot or force the a/c to run longer to keep everything cool.

Did the old combos (such as the Bendix) use this system of hot air exchange as well, or did they just use more water?
 
GE Combos

We had a GE Combo from 1956 until 1965. My dad says that it had vent drying, but I'm not sure because when we first had it, it was in the kitchen and due to the layout of the kitchen I'm not sure that it was vented. Anyone know about the GE Combos? I thought it was very neat because I was about 3 years old and loved to sit in front of it watching everything while I played with pots and pan, my toy mixer, and my toy washing machine.

Now my mom says that it took 2 hours to do a load of laundry, which meant that Monday laundry day was all day long. However, she was glad to have it instead of a wringer in the very cold garage when sometimes the water pipes out there would freeze, and there was 2 feet of snow outside where the clothes line was.

Courtney
 
Courtney

All GE combos were ventless and used water condesing to dry the load. And yes they do take 2 hours, the Bendix is much faster at 45 miuntes as Tom quoted earlier.

The GE's broil your clothes under a 2 element broiler whereas the Bendix used 180 degree hot circulated air. Much easier on your clothes, but the square window in the GE is too cool!
 
The cycle sequence Bendix patented for their tumble washers and combos was what kept Westinghouse from having a spin between the 2nd and 3rd rinse. Bendix had a spray rinse called "assured rinse" after the wash drain, then a spin, a deep rinse, spin, second deep rinse and final spin. It was not until Electrolux modified the last Westinghouse design that the machine could give optimal rinsing. They came up with a sequence that gave a spray rinse after the wash drain, then went into the first deep rinse, drained, spun, gave a second deep rinse, another spin and then the third deep rinse and the final spin. Sadly, by then they were not using enough water to be seen, but if you adjusted the right screw on the pressure switch to give the same water levels as the old straight front machines, you had a winning ticket. Washing was done on the lowest water level and rinsing on the highest where the water comes up over the light lens. Forget high efficiency; this is high water, almost to flood stage.
 
Slow spin combos

The GE Combo was notorious for its extremely slow spin speed-I think it was around 220 r.p.m. or so. This accounts for its extremely long dry time. This was also true, I believe, of the Whirlpool and Maytag combos-all except the Bendix. The Duomatic represented a big improvement in Bendix' spin speed. Older machines spun out at around 310 r.p.m., but the Duomatic's was (I think) around 540.
 
Actually, the slowest was the Westinghouse at 181 RPM. I have a GE, and despite the slow speed, the water extraction isn't that bad on a full load. The fact that it stops 3 separate times to redistribute helps as well. All of the loads I wash in the GE I simply put in the dryer without spinning out, and it finishes in about an hour each time.

Seeing the posts about the GE Combos is prompting me to stop being lazy and work on mine! Just needs a pump replacement (which I already have the part) and it will be washing again!
 
It does get worse than Westinghouse...

Well, the slowest spinning combo was the Westinghouse, but the O'keefe & Merritt combo didn't spin at all! Just went from rinse, right into dry. A 120,000 BTU gas burner supplied the extra heat needed to overcome the excess moisture. Imagine the horror inside that machine. The Easy combo spun at 250 RPM and like many others, pre-heated the clothes and drum while spinning to get a jump on the drying time. Easy was also the only combo to have a tilted drum.

Whirlpool was the only combo maker to completely re-design their combo from the ground up in the early 60's. They acheived a much better spin performance - about that of their toploading washers - and by all accounts were about the best performing of the later combos with a decent spin speed and good drying results. Philco scrapped the original Bendix 36" cabinet and 27" drum design for a smaller footprint (27") in 1959 but this made the drum quite small and the washing & drying performance wasn't as good as the earlier Bendix models. Consumer Reports tested the Bendix Duomatic in 1954-55 and called it "an impressive achievement" which, coming from CR, was particularly exciting.
 
~I can cut my drying time (and the detergent residue)very much by spinning at 2,800rpm for just five minutes.

~Who's spin-x blew up on here???
ME ME ME ME ME~

Let's not forget that the larger the tub's diameter, the less RPM are needed to achieve a targerted G-force.
Therefore (just as an example) 2,800 rpm in a 12-inch wide tub(30cm) may be the same as 1,400 rpm in a 24 inch (60cm) wide tub.

Would anyone know exaclty what the formula is for G-force determination?
 
Didn't the Westinghouse also have a tilted drum? Has anyone ever seen one of the O'Keefe and Merritt models...I can't imagine how stiff those clothes might have been in a hard water area.

So to recap, the originals were:

Bendix first to market(2 versions--earlier wide, later narrow)
Westinghouse (tilted tub)
Easy narrow cabinet--apparently bankrupted Hupp)
Maytag (short time on market, bought back from owners)
GE (lasted until 1970 or so)
Whirlpool/Kenmore (Kenmore lasted until 1970 or so)

Norge??? (I think there was one mentioned in Consumer Reports)
O'Keefe and Merritt

am I missing any?
 
GE did even more to preheat the clothes before drying. When HOT wash water was selected, the rinse temperature sequence was: cold for the first rinse, warm for the second rinse, then hot for the third rinse.

The first 29 inch wide Kenmore and WP combos had a top spin speed of 500 rpm. They also had no dryer lint filter, just a separator system with a damper that recirculated most of the heated air during the heating of the wash water and the unheated air during the rinsing and exhausted most of it during drying, recirculating only the amount needed to separate the lint. In theory, the initial one minute purge before the machine began to fill would wash the lint from the last drying period out of the machine. The tranny was set up so that the pump and blower would operate at the same time allowing hot air to circulate through the drum during wash to boost the water temperature. It also permitted the heater to run during the final spin except for Wash 'n Wear and Delicates to preheat the clothes and enhance the water extraction. The spin was divided into two parts without the preliminary intermittent spins of later machines. What the original machine did after the partial drain from the 3rd rinse was ramp up to the high spin speed as soon as the balancing system allowed . Then, after 4 or 5 minutes of spin, it slowed to a tumble and did this little spurting of water called the "Peel Off Rinse." This was done by recirculating water that was retained in the machine to make the balancing mechanism work. This little spurting of water from the filter stream opening was done to loosen the clothes from the drum so that they would tumble, but not make them as wet as when the first spin started. After the load had time to tumble a bit, the machine went into another high speed spin with the heat on. Then it came out of spin, drained the balance tanks and reservoir, paused a minute and then started drying. Because the clothes had been redistributed between spins, they fell away from the drum and tumbled with no problem.

The trouble with this system was the clogging of the water system in the machine when either too much dryer lint accumulated for the purge to wash out of the machine or too much lint got in the water during the washing and rinsing of a very linty load. Add to this the little bits of hard matter that landed in the filter and trapped lint so that it would not flush out and you begin to see how vulnerable the system was. The lint filter was a little star-shaped thing like a kitchen sink strainer in the bottom of the sump. It was accessed from a locking, hinged panel in the drum. If the machine was full of wet laundry when a clog was noticed, the wet stuff had to be removed, then the panel opened and the lint strainer cleaned. Before putting the load back in, you had to run the machine for a minute or so to get the rest of the lint out of the system and clean the strainer again. If this was during a hot wash, insulated rubber gloves were needed and many owners were upset. So all of those machines were retrofitted to have a dryer lint screen. In the retrofitting, the damper that either was mostly open for dry or mostly closed during the wash, rinse, spin part of the cycle was eliminated. The transmission was changed so that it either pumped or ran the blower so the water heating and spin preheat were eliminated and the top spin speed was reduced to to 400 rpm. The two high speed spins were retained for a while, but were later modified so that the first spin period had the intermittent low speed spin and tumble periods followed by the 4 minute high speed spin. Subsequent machines had the wash filter moved to the front of the machine behind the lower panel. It was only because of the money that Sears brought into Whirlpool that the redesign from the BIG 33 inch wide machine to the 29 inch wide combo was financially possible. They both took a hit on the retrofitting, but survived.
 
Jamiel, you forgot the Hotpoint combo. The Maytag was not forcibly removed from owners like the Hotpoint. Maytag combo owners were offered a TOL pair in exchange when Maytag sort of threw in the towel on combos.

Can you imagine how fast a dryer the O'Keefe & Merritt (also sold under the wringer washer brand names of One Minute and Automatic) would be with items spun in a regular washer? It had a higher BTU rating than my present condensing gas furnace.
 
With many apologies to Peter...

I used an LG combo that was installed in a hotel suite in Vancouver and ( with small vacation-sized loads) it was amazing!!! Spun as fast as my LG washer at home and dried in a trice. If I lived in a small apartment, I would consider buying one.

However, when you think about it, almost anyone not in a major urban center with the means to provide the utilities for a combo could muster up a little extra space for a dryer. Why go to the extra expense and uncertainty when that was possible? I don't think it's a mistake that the only combos made now are made in Asia: urban living spaces there are notoriously tiny. Let's see what the Chinese start producing for their booming metropoliiiii when they get going.
 

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