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Does anyone have any insite on any major differences between the 3.5 cu ft Frigidaire washers? I'm talking about the Affinitys, 2940s, and 2140s. From what I can gather by comparing the units on the web site there doesn't seem to be huge differences from each model, in fact the lower priced models have more cycles than the affinity's.
 
only real difference is

Customer service between the various re-branders. You can look up the various problems this machine and its predecessors have had all over the place.
The OEM does tend to correct problems over time, so the second generation of anything will usually be less trouble prone than the first.
A few examples:
The first ones sold in the US had timer motors set for the 50Hz European power net. This meant that they rushed through their cycles. That one got fixed by 1999 (the old mechanical timers).
The door latch/switch mechanism was updated twice.
The motor problems which were a big nuisance in 2000 have been ironed out, as has the static discharge across the motor controller board which led to the machines frequently freezing up in the middle of a cycle.
For European standards, these are adequate machines. Not badly built and reliable if one uses HE detergents and de-scales them regularly. For the US market, they are exceptionally well built, highly reliable and a great value.
Personally, I find Sears stores of today grate on my nerves. Their service contracts are, however, frequently much cheaper than the alternatives.
The much maligned Lowe's delivered the dryer from this series to my folks three weeks ago. When I asked the driver about their experience with returns, he said Frigidaire was best at just replacing the machine while GE insisted on trying, trying again to get an obvious lemon going. Still and all, tho', he said they were all among the most reliable they sold and seldom gave problems, lots were replaced, still working after seven or eight years, when the housewife wanted a "new" look in her kitchen.
My mom's is now in its seventh year, washing well over 10 loads a week. A friend's 1998 is still going strong, although it has had the door latch problem and - like all these machines - suffered a pump boot puncture from a BH wire. A real problem for these machines...their "high" spin speed means you must remove all such things before washing.
 
some opinions of folks after they have had the 2940 for a wh

I don't know this website well, so take it with a grain of salt. The general consensus is basically, get the cheapest of these which meets your needs. The innards are all pretty much the same.
This ATF stuff which the Americans are doing to meet some sort of absurd energy standard or other may be a problem for you; if one of these machines really were to lock you down to a "cool" hot cycle, then I would avoid it like the plague. Still don't see how anyone can call 100°F "hot" as some GE products now are doing. My old thumper defined 104°F as "lukewarm"...

 
All the 3.5 Frigidaires are very similar. The TOL Affinity is good if you want an on-board heater and a sanitize cycle. The 2940 has 1000 rpm spin and ATC...ATC is good if you live in cold weather climate to keep warm and cold at reasonable temperature...the hot wash temp is not ATC controlled, so you get tap hot - not a dumbed-down hot, a great feature. I don't see the point of the BOL Affinity...the 2940 has better features. And if ATC doesn't matter go for the 2140. As has been said, they all have basically the same innards and cleaning performance. I have have a 2940 and like it a lot. Frigidaire front loaders are a reasonably priced and dependable machine. And they do a great job. My original 3.1 Frigmore FL is almost 8 years old and going strong.
 
I have Kenmore 44092/84092 pair...

This is almost identical to 2940 and its matching dryer. It does have a great number of cycles, (a maze of twisty passages, all alike) but after about two years there are only three that I use week-to-week. An advantage that these machines have (and the Affinity models) over the 2140 is the display which counts down time remaining in the cycle. I don't have washing requirements which tax its capabilities. (no "comforter") I am so far entirely satisfied with it. The dryer is too small, and leaves things damp sometimes, but I have learned how to deal with this as well. After about six months, I decided I should have bought the next lower 3.5 machine, the 2140. Now however I think I view the cycle time display as a valuable feature and I am certain I made the correct choice.
 
Once the computers get strainged out and i get my medicial bills paid off, i will be bying another affinty f/l... I miss the one i had.. Then again if i could find an old westing house f/l..
 
Itchy & Scratchy

After a visit to a dermatologist yesterday due to a skin rash, I decided to see how much soap was left in my clothes. I have the 2140 and have always been disappointed in its rinsing abilities, mainly because it's too particular when it comes to balancing the load prior to spinning, which means many times it will skip the spin and just go into the next rinse. I jacked up the water level on the pressure switch so that it now comes about half way up the boot and threw in a "clean" load of whites with no detergent. TWO full normal cycles later (2 washes & 8 rinses with the extra rinse option chosen), it is still spinning out soapy water. And it even managed to spin after each wash & rinse. I use very little of the HE detergent and sometimes fabric softener. So now I'm rewashing all my "clean" clothes with no detergent. And I'm done with softener. I'm afraid this machine is on its way out the door to be replaced by a top loader. If anyone else has this machine, try a test like mine and see what your results are.
 
You may have to use "quick wash" as additional rinses.

Effective rinses require water, lots of water to dilute and flush away the bad stuff.

Vinegar in the rinse phase immediately following after the bleach phase will chemically neutralize it.

It will also neutralize any alkaline detergents, however our local chemicals and additives authority states that detergents today are mildly acidic, not alkaline.

My sister always had allergic skin reactions to softener that manifested on her elbows and knees, even with a top-loader.
 
If you want to see how much detergent residue is in your wash, and or remove the same; rewash "clean" laundry with some STPP (phosphates), or a small amount of phosphate containing laundry detergent. You may be surprised by all that frothing! *LOL*

When using the Ecolab commercial detergent, which contians STPP, couldn't understand why some loads had so much froth and couldn't rinse clean without many extra rinses, this despite using a small amount of the stuff. Finally got wise and realised it was the STPP, which pulls out residual soap/detergent from laundry. This lead me to stop using non-HE detergents in my Miele as they obviously were not rinsing out properly no matter how "clean" the final rinse water.

Vintage laundry manuals would instruct housewives to run their laundry through a was using the hottest water laundry could stand, and a good dose of a water softener (usually phosphates). This would restore whites and colours to their proper state by removing dullness and dingy build up. What the treatment did was unlock and release from fibers all that detergent residue and trapped muck.

L.
 
Jay, so far I am very impressed with my Duet HT washer's ability to provide thorough rinsing action. None of my processed laundry smells like detergent anymore, bath towels in particular. Apparently not all front loaders are built or designed alike. I don't think I'd ever go back to a top loader after witnessing the superior overall cleaning ability of my Duet. If you'd still prefer a front loading machine, I think you'd be happy with the results you'd get from a Duet.
 
Hmmm...I was doing laundry last night so I tried rinsing a load before washing it to see what happened. No foam whatsoever. I suspected this, as when I have time I will watch the machine and the final rinse is always clear. Although rinses in front loaders aren't as "deep" as top loaders, I still believe that 3 or 4 saturations with spins between gives better results than one deep dunk and a spin. Maybe it has something to do with your water hardness or amount of detergent, Pumper. Maybe try another brand of HE. I usually use a little less that what is recommended, unless the load is very dirty. They always tell you to use more than you need....and that goes for fabric softner too.
 
Rich, my old Amana TL did a real lousy job of rinsing. One short 15-second spray on first spin, then a dunk, and that was it. Totally inferior to the center dial it replaced.

It's hard to see how the rinsing action even works on my Duet HT but it's definitely thorough and leaves no trace of detergent smell on the clothes. I rarely fill the detergent dispenser all the way unless as you have stated above, the stuff being washed is extra filthy.
 
Oh, Happy Day

I have the same Frigidaire FL that Gary posted a pic of above, and I have successfully tricked out the water level to where it fills almost halfway up the window--thanks to Jay aka Pumper!!

OK back to watching the splash drama now....hehe
 
I think most of the problem is that this machine is so finicky about spinning that sometimes it goes through the entire cycle without spinning once...not until after the final rinse. Then I've watched it attempting to balance for 15 minutes before it finally does manage it. So what is the lowest of the low sudsing detergents out there? And does increasing the water level so high have any negative effects on the machine?
 
Why Certainly!

If you want to modify the water level, remove the top lid of the washer. There are two screws in back which hold it in place.

If you are facing the front of the machine, slide the top lid of the washer away from you, then lift it off.

On the right, inside, near the front panel, you will see a round thing that a bunch of wires are attached to.

In the middle of the round thing is a white screw. Take a Phillips-head screwdriver and turn it clockwise (to the right).

The more you turn it, the higher the water level will be. I turned the screwdriver about 5 revolutions. You might want to turn it a little bit at a time to see how high you want it to go.

Let me know how it goes! (And thanks again to Jay!)
 
Also....

I wondered the same thing, if adjusting the water level could be harmful to the washer. But I doubt this for a couple of reasons.

If you adjust the pressure switch, the machine acts as if that were the "default" setting to begin with. The washer will still add water if it senses that the load is very large and might need more water (which at this point, it doesn't).

Another reason is that the machine is designed to handle large, bulky loads like comforters, which are very heavy when wet, high water level or not.

Finally, if the manufacturer wanted the water level set in stone, they probably wouldn't have made it so easy to reach and to adjust!

I really do feel like consumers should have the right to adjust their machines to perform as they need them to. In other aspects of my life I am very water frugal. I take "military" showers (wet, turn off water, soap up, and rinse) and am careful to never waste water when shaving or brushing my teeth.

However, I draw the line when it comes to my laundry. I want it cleaned and rinsed properly. And I need more water to do it.
 
My Frigidaire will skip a spin once in a great while...and it seems to usually be the first spin between the wash and rinses...don't ask me why. But that is the rare exception and never more than that one missed spin per cycle. Is your machine leveled well, Pumper? I don't think it should do that. If it's under warranty I'd call for service.

On most HE detergents, they recommend filling 1/2 of the cap for a normal load....I fill it about 1/4. My clothes don't get that dirty. I use a variety of HE detergents...Cheer, Tide, Wisk, All...and I recently tried Method and really liked it...no suds at all. On white loads...underwear and T shirts...I use full recommended dose of powdered Tide HE with hot water and it rinses very well.
 

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