Which Magazine January Test Results

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I'm really impressed with the indesit moon! 5star rating for rinsing! Thats my main thing i have to have in a machine! Like i said in the indesit thread, if i were to get one, i'd replace the door with an ordinary indesit door and stick with 2-in-1 detergent when using it!

Though most of the time which are very good in their testing, i do wonder why they put odd models in their, like they have done with the hoover vision, it's unfair!

It seems their testing on the vision was inaccurate, as you guys who have one seem very impressed!

Having looked at the manuals on the new zanussis they are using slightly more water (thankfully).

I'm also surprized with the outcome of the TOL aqualtis, i'd say its a technically sound machine. Im very happy with my WT960 too its one of the best machines i've ever owned, and so far has proved trouble free!

Hopefully by next year they will be using even more water!

As i believe it was MRX who said on his aqualtis thread, it is more efficient to wash 8kg of washing in plenty of water than t oo split two loads into a 5kg machine that tumbles around in a puddle of water!

Darren
 
More Water.....!

Yeah I agree Darren, with both the Indesit Moon and the Hoover Vision! The Indesit is such a sleek machine, but fact you cant see through the door turns me right off!
On the subject of water throught I'd upload a pic of the Hoover reaching an all time high in Rinse water levels! I was shocked! It seems the bigger the load, the more water it uses! However I thought I'd already seen it do its Max water level.. Until today!! :D

Richard
 
It's also strange that there seems to be no consistency within the results. The hoover vision 8122( which there is no pic and I can't find on the net) scored 43% overall testing. The hoover vision 812 model which has exactly the same specs as the above model ( 1200 spin, 8kg drum, same prgrams , features etc) scores 54%.
They mark a nextra washing machine 1 star for rinsing, yet another nextra washer/dryer 5 stars for rinsing! Wouldn't these machines all being from the same range have near identical rinse actions?

Also seems insane that that comment that the hotpoint aqualtis is reasonably quiet and yet the bosch with a bursh motor is marked quieter! how can that be?
 
Is it the Hoover Washer or the Hoover Dam?

Bleedin' Ada, Richard - I hope the Vision's got a strong door gasket! It's giving me palpitations just looking at it!!

Does the machine give two deep rinses as standard or was that with the 5 rinse Sensitive Care option?

Al
 
hoover vision

Hi
last years hoover vision VHD812/4/6 had the powerjet and they also did distribution spins!
The new hoover vision VHD8122/4/6 don't have a power jet and distribution washes and rinses!
Thanks
 
Hi Al! The pic of the Hoover vision was it on a Non-fast cottons cycle which does 2 high level rinses as standard, or if your washing a large load it does 3! Howwever if you add the Sensitive Care option to the cycle it does a higher water level wash, and 5 rinses all at the level in the pic above , all with interim spins its tottaly amazing! Washings never come out feeling as soft and like-new as it does now!

Dyson2drums : Yeah thats correct Hoover have done away with the Powerjet Technology but they still distribute with water every now and then during the drain out of wash/rinse water on selected programs! I'm slightly glad that they have stopped using the power jet on their washers as ive had a bad experience with a Zanussi Jetsystem (previous machine) the Jet on that quite frequnetly produced extra foam during the wash and esspecially the rinse cycles which defeats the object of trying to rinse a load when at the beggining of the cycle it pours out a load of sudsy water over the clothes, then continues to creat more foam! Maybe the Hoover Vision Powerjets were diffrent to this!? To be honest though I dont think there is any subsitute to just using a decent amount of water to wash and rinse clothes properly in!

Richard
 
Which Methodology!!

Very interesting report this time, I dispair at the thought of joe public taking it as gospel!!!, just seems to be so many disparities between makes & models etc, and most models including Miele and MaytagAsko get slated for rinsing!!

I`ve actually written to them asking how they determine these results?? it must be based on lab specific ratios like alkaline testing etc...I rarely use super rinse, dose accordingly to load, and never have had a percieved problem with rinse water etc...perhaps we had better start buying chemical kits for home use to see what happens!!!

I would love for them to ask a group of like minded washer bods to come in for a day and observe/be part of testing etc...

Scratching head, not from rinsewater, Mike
 
Seamus - LOL yeah the water level is crazy isnt it! I didnt think it was going to stop filling :D:D!! Lovin it though, really rinses stuff hehe :D! I'll take a few more pics when it does a rinse level like that again! Probably will when I do some towels!

Richard
 
*Faints* ;)

Richard! Goodness me! That is almost ungodly! LOL ;)

Very interesting to see, though. :) Seamus, take that Logic pressure switch out at once! ;) I know we talk about going back to the olden days, but that is just mad! ;)

And imagine if that flooded! Aaarrggghhh! ;) Sea levels would rise… in Richard’s kitchen… and he’d be stranded! ;)

Carl :)
 
Hoover Vision

I was wondering about the very high water levels, and the fact the door catch is not directly opposite the door hinge...

Does the bottom of the door flex alarmingly as the laundry and water push against the door glass?

The old Hoover 'New Wave' sometimes did that.
 
Hiya, No thats not been a problem on this machine thankfully, I wouldnt be to impressed if it did that LOL however my machine from 2004 or thereabouts (Samsung) had an angled door catch and that didnt seem to have any adverse effect on it, even if it did work with the door open in the end hehe LOL!!

Richard
 
I don't know about those Which results. If the Aqualtis was rated less quiet than any other machine I'd be very surprised. I have an 8kg silver aqualtis and I have to say it is ridiculously quiet. I can't even tell the machine's on. If a brush-motor based washer beat it I would be seriously surprised. The key feature of the machine is that it operates almost completely silently!!! It would be nuts to suggest that any brush-motor based machine could possibly out perform it in terms of silence!!

Also, those really high level rinses are not necessarily any more effective. The key to good rinsing is to move a lot of water through the clothes. This means saturating them and spinning them. Most machines do a decent job on this, particularly if they have an extra rinse / rinse plus option selected.

I know our Aqualtis with extra rinse selected does an absolutely excellent job of rinsing the laundry. I have had no complaints whatsoever about its rinsing performance.

The Fast wash is a little unimpressive at rinsing, but then so are almost all quickwash cycles I've come across. They usually do minimal rinsing to save time.

I honestly don't know how they could rate Miele as poor at rinsing!!! Those machines produce FLAWLESS results every time without any issue.

Perhaps they were over-loading the machines with detergent??

It seems a very odd set of results to come up with though.
 
Hmmm I dont really understand your argument there mrx, Which didnt say that your 8kg Aqualtis was noiser than a machine with a Brush Motor :S:S!

And on the water level side, in the past few years ive had quite a few washers which have all been very diffrent, some using little water to rinse in, doing a poor job, another having very poor intermitten spins, and finally the zanussi which often used a pumpfull of water to rinse in without any spins in between quite often.

Now I have the Hoover Vision clothes some out feeling much softer and like-new as the detergent has been rinsed out, I believe that the more water used, the greater the dilution of water to detergent, and this, with fast interim spins as the Hoover Vision does produce very good results which work for me. However I'm not saying machines that use little water are poor at rinsing, this is just my own personal experience with recent washers :)

Richard
 
dyson2drums - I have a copy of the 2006 (I think) Which? test where the Dyson was rated no1, with Miele and Bosch following. I have the articles scanned into my computer somewhere so will try and dig them out and upload them :-).

Mrx - I do agree with you re the water - although I think it's fun to see washers use a lot of water, our Miele and my old AEG 86741 are able to rinse clothes thoroughly without wasting too much water - thanks to a combination of strong fast interim spins and using enough water to saturate the load. The 2 standard low rinses on mum's Miele rinses just as well as our old Bosch did with 4 rinses, and better than the Hotpoint and Creda machines we had which used a lot more water. Our washer allows you to set high water levels if you need them, but I've never found the need to use them more than just for fun, seems a bit of a waste to me IMO when using much less does the job just as well.

Jon
 
samsungfl

The noise level argument was in reference to a post from islingtonsteve:

"Also seems insane that that comment that the hotpoint aqualtis is reasonably quiet and yet the bosch with a bursh motor is marked quieter! how can that be?"

Rinsing performance is a LOT more than just water level though. It's about well designed rinse cycles. I think the addition of AC 3-phase motors and better control systems makes up for a LOT as it means the machines can do various interim spins without taking hours to balance and rebalance etc. Previous mid-range machines often avoided doing too many interim spins as they'd take hours if they had to go through their distribution phases to get the load balanced. So, you ended up with poor results. The cycles seemed to just be the same as the older machines just with less water used. There was no real innovation in the way they worked until recently.

Miele machines have tended to be able to cope with interim spins due to the enormous weight of the drum which keeps it balanced and the novotronic control systems which they have had for many years. Other manufacturers are only catching up in recent years as such systems have become more economically justifiable.

The higher end machines like Hoover Vision HD, Ariston-Hotpoint Aqualtis, the new electroluxes etc can all cope with decent numbers of interim spins due to a complete redesign of how the machine works. The electronics and full 3-phase variable speed drives mean that they can keep the drum very well balanced and the time lost ramping up to spin is insignificant.

I remember we had an old Thor 850XD from the late 70s/early 80s which would only do ONE spin during the entire cottons cycle and wow did it do it spectacularly. The machine would just sit with the clothes on pump out for ages, then tumble a few times and go straight up to 850rpm thumping away as it did so!. It seemed to manage to stay on the floor thanks to enormous lumps of concrete inside and quite regularly moved around out of its place!!

That machine filled to 1/3 to half way up the door for the rinse cycle too as there were no interim spins possible, so it had to rely on dilution.
Rinsing performance was not brilliant but not bad either.
 
Ah I see what you mean now I agree yeah, strange how they can quote a Bosch quieter than an Aqualtis with a Brushless motor! Really shows I think that their testing sometimes isnt up to scratch, their results arent very reliable in some aspects.

Yeah I agree with you there about rinsing performance is alot more than a water level, because like you say there are still many factors to take into consideration, In a rinse i must say the action is a very important role, As Ive realised over time that too much action causes just more un wanted foam in a rinse which isnt really what you want, also the interim spins like you mentioned :)

Richard
 

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