which new F/L take in the "MOST" water .......

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are there any new front loaders that actually take in enough water during the wash and/or rinse so that they "SLOSH/SPLASH" around a bit ? From what I have seen of the Bosch and WP Duets they get very damp or dripping wet period. Even the older Maytag "neptunes" seemed to splash around especially if you rig it like I was able to so that you can watch it wash with the door open. In fact the Bosch seems to take FOREVER for the clothes to get wet all the way through, but that is on the older, smaller models ..........

I looked at the new Maytag (3.3 cu' - made in Korea) slightly smaller than there new large tub (3.7) today in Lowe's and they seem slightly cheaper and was wondering if they would be worth it ??????????

The older Neptunes with the 2.7cu' tub seem to have dropped their prices to around $6-700 ........ but I hope they have worked out all the bugs ...... (door lock probs, circuit board burnouts, mold/mildew forming inside around door)

In Lowe's today, there was a tag on the WP duet washer stating it was # 1 .......
 
The trend for front-loaders is to go toward less water in each cycle, not more. The only way to get more water is to find a way of "hacking" the machine, but computer controlled cycles are less and less susceptible to hacking. Or get a vintage machine from an era when they typically used more water. Though, on newer models there will always be enough water to wash properly, and particularly if you use warm and hot cycles, saving water also saves the cost of heating more water than you actually need.

Mold problems are usually the result of people leaving the door hatch closed after they're done with a load. The moisture in there doesn't have a chance to dry out, so it grows mold. If you leave the door open, the normal air circulation dries up the excess water, and all's well. Same case applies to top loaders, leave the lid open for a day after each load so it all dries out. And of course the occasional load with bleach, will sanitize all the working surfaces.
 
leaving washer door open

I agree, but kinda stinks with the old neptune where if you leave the door open, the inerior light bulb will burn out that much sooner? ....... probably easy to change ...........
 
While it's true that very low levels of water are superior for dirt and stain removal, lint and pet hair require more "floating" them my HE3 produces on most cycles. I "hack" it by starting the wash on ultra hand wash and selecting warm water if necessary, wait for the machine to finish filling, then pause it and switch it to another cycle. The ultra hand wash fills with more water than the other cycles.
 
Auto Soak Great Feature

I have the Kitchen Aid Front Loader (made by Whirlpool) and it has an Auto Soak option. When you select this feature, it soak the clothes for a full 30 minutes before the regular cycle start. This can't be beat for an abundance of water. The water most times comes up to the bottom of the glass door. Some washes I am certain if you paused it to add a garmet and opened the door, water would run would the door! It is interesting as the flip side of this is that the clothes tend to loose their ability to be splashed down into the water. In fact, if the load is very small, the clothes tend to stay in the very bottom of the drum. If the load is larger, the clothes will ride up and splash back down, but not to the same degree as they would for a regular wash cycle.

I would have to say that in most cases the auto soak is probably not really necessary. I think there is a certain feel good element envolved: seeing your clothes really get soak prior to going through the regular wash cycle.

Something else I have noted is that suds seems to be more of an issue with the auto soak. You need to guage your load and adjust your detergent level accordingly.
 
Rich, the door is supposed to remain locked during the soak cycle even if the pause button is pushed simply for the above reason--no water flowing out the door when opened.
 
Someone posted over on THS that when comparing informatin from the Energy Star website on front loaders, the SQ units used slightly more water than other front loaders in their capacity class. This may make sense in that SQ washers do come from a commercial background where slightly more water could be used to compensate for rather short cycle times.
 
Oh Yes, There Is This Then

Read somewhere that recirculating spray feature on some front loaders was developed/is used as a way to do more with less water.

Was reading something (may have been an article on front loader washer designs, which stated that front loaders could use less water if ways were found to "force" water into the laundry. Rather than pausing to fill when the washer detected water a drop in water level, recirculating sprays would use existing water within the tub to wet laundry down. Do know on our old Malber, the machine would call for more water, but in some cases if the machine paused long enough, and extra water was not pumped in (such as when the tap was shut off), sooner or later the machine would start up again as the some of the "excess" water pooled down towards the bottom of the tub.

Think it was vintage Bendix front loaders that had the design of front loaders down to a science, and caculated water needs were a factor of the space between the inner and outer tubs. With the proper amount of water, enough water is available to be "scooped and sprayed" from the fins much in the same way Miele washers operate. If the water volume is low, there is not enough water to do the above, so another way must be found to "scoop and spray". IIRC LG washers, which use recirculating sprays, do not "scoop and spray" from the fins. IMHO scooping and spraying via the fins is a better method not only because it uses proper amounts of water,but is totally a passive operation wiht no pumping of water required.

Launderess
 
Speed Queen

Speed Queen does use a bit more water than other front loaders, although the water level is never above the window. The clothes slosh around quite a bit more than the Asko I used to have.

-Jim
 
i gotta say i hate efficient front loaders....my 1987 hoover logic uses tons of water & doesnt have an extra rinse feature because it doesn't need it!

as far as modern front loaders go, us guys in the uk Myself (Darren)& my friend & yours! lavamat_Jon Have The "Water Happy" aeg & miele's which you can programme in to take more water. as you'd guess we took advantage of this & it's set permanantly on each of our machines!

im all for effiency but not when it compramises rinsing results! sorry to all the guys that work for water companys out there lol.

D
 
how to on MIELE ???

I didn't know that ? So on Miele's you can actually program it to "take more water" ? how does it work ? Does anyone know if it would be better or equal to the SQ ? I think I may go with the SQ from what I have heard .............
 
i totally agree with darren, todays front loaders are too efficient, they focus more on being efficient than they do on cleaning. I remember when i lived the UK and we had our Creda Supaspeed, it had a deep wash option that raised the water level to about a quarter of the way up the glass. My mother put Sellotape over this button to make sure that it was never turned off. I wish that Australia had more older Britsh Hotpoints and Hoovers as opposed to the Simpson front loaders which are just rebadged british Indesits.
Anyway, thats my rant
btw Darren and Jon, even tho i live in Aussie i still like doing laundry the good ole British way, so i'm totally behind you guys. Btw Darren, do you have msn? it would be good to talk to you and Jon together sometime, let me know :)
Matt
 
Miele and Water Plus

Hi Greg,

My Miele has a water plus button, which raises the water level about 3" up the bottom of the door.

Depending on how you program it, it will do it for the main wash and rinses or rinses only.

I find that the water is clear when it come out and not slippery with the normal levels. So, so far I've only used Water Plus if I've done a large load of towels.
 
Nathan,

The Mieles on the American market are different from the ones sold in other countries. They are really dumbed down machines. They only have a Sensitive button. If you press that you get an extra rinse. I don't know what the default level for rinsing is.

Greg,

If you want to find out more about Miele washers, there is a showroom in Wellesley. I've been there with Jon and Paulo and we had a wonderful time. Don't forget to bring laundry!

 
Hehehe... don't get me started on water levels...

However, I can testify that I have re-programmed the brain of my Miele to fill for max level in rinses regardless of load size or whether or not water plus has been added. In my family of 5, 2 have considerably sensitive skin so I have to make sure that pretty much every last trace of detergent is rinsed out of each load, especially when I have to use more detergent to compensate for the hard water around here (Darren, I'm sure you can testify to that!). Often get a lecture on THS about my detergent doses, but really they should experience the hard water we have in these here parts :-). Anyway, enough about that, as I said before I always use high level rinses in my Miele (although there's only 3, the 2nd rinse is almost always clear. On the AEG I tend to use the delicate cycles for clothes (Fashion or Easy Iron programmes are great, delicate enough to prevent any damage to delicates but at the same time ahs a strong enough action to get socks clean, as well as a fairly strong 1200rpm spin at the end) which always do a deep wash and rinse; however if I use the cottons cycles (usually for jeans, towels, or whites) I use the Sensitive option which not only adds an extra rinse to the additional rinse already selected, but raises the water level halfway up the door on the first 2 rinses, and on the last 3 fills to where the glass become flat. Rinses so much to the extent that the last rinse water would be drinkable if it wasn't for the softener, and where you can't smell deteregent on the load - even strong-scented detergents such as Bold!

On the Bosch, however, controversially I can only use non-biological (enzyme free) detergents, as the lower level rinses don't rinse out that well. I can use less biological Ariel in the Bosch with 4 shallow rinses, and still smell it on the laundry at the end, as well as the washed garments causing irritation to my dad and sister; whereas I can use a full scoop of Ariel in any of my machines upstairs with no detergent smell at the end of the cycle; and no complaints about skin irritation.

Of course, mention this on THS, and one certain member (whose name is almost another word for puke) will try and convince you that any machine can rinse out detergent in 3 low level rinses!

As far as I'm aware, several members on THS have been able to mod their "dumbed down" Miele's by using the programmable functions from Europe - i.e. you can actually programme the W1213 for high water rinses by following the same procedure as you would on the European W2514.

Hope this helps :-)

Jon
 
LOL...that's an oxymoron! A new American FL that's splashy...riiiiight!

Greg, you need to get yourself a potato-pulley Westinghouse! :)
 

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