Whirlpool Belt drive updates and help needed.

[kenmoreguy89]

Hi everyone.
I have posted some time ago about the problem I was having with my BD Whirlpool from '84
I managed to find an used tranny and have it shipped.
Unfortunately during shipping the washing cam bar got bent.
Not a big issue I suppose, as I can get the other one out from my old transmission.
I was told I can remove the plunger rivet and use a nail that i will bend instead to replace the rivet.
Anyways.
I finally found out what the problem is with my old transmission and it was water in it, and plenty!
When I tilted the machine and I started unscrewing brackets and everything to get the tranny out it started pouring water supposedly from the vent or agitator shaft.
It poured i'd say a large glass of water and after that mucky black oil started dripping.
I got the transmission out but the spin tube and brake assembly only came out like 3 inches and got stuck.
I was told to pound it out.
Of course it's a seal fail but I want to understand what's the seal that actually failed now.
What I got out is the transmission with the agitator shaft only and it looks a little bit rusty but I cannot really tell if it got water coming down from it or if the leak came from the other one seal between spin tube and sleeve even though it appears to be shiny in the 3 inches portion that i got out so i'm prone to think it is the inner upper agitator shaft seal.
Do someone have a part number for that one?
The new used transmission came complete with spin tube and brake assembly, but
if the leak came from the other seal it means I got water on the bearings...
When I will get the spin tube out I will be able to determine the internal conditions of the sleeve and check on the bearings If bad or anything though I can tell it spun smoothly last time it was used and I did not hear any weird bearings noises.

In case they are bad I was told of a kit part number including upper lower bearings+upper lower seals.
But unfortunately I miss both extractor and pushing tools.
I hope they are in good conditions though, as I said the portion of the spin tube that came out looks good.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

The new tranny is complete with spin tube and agitator shaft seal but is used.
I would like to replace its seal for safety reasons, I just don't want to take the risk that one will also leak soon.

 

[combo52]

Water In Transmission On A BD WP

The water usually comes down the agitator shaft. 

 

The top oil-water seal around the agitator shaft and the top oil-water seal around the basket drive shaft are critical to a durable washer.

 

The area on both these shafts where the seal rides must be smooth and not rusted or worn, if not the repair will not last long at all.

 

Unless a lot of moisture got in the center post bearings you usually do not need to replace the CPBs. You can just clean the area above them and install a new upper seal relubricate and use a good spin tube.

 

John 

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Thanks John, do you know the part number for the agitator shaft seal?
Thanks

 

[kenmoreguy89]

New used tranny's agi shaft and spin tube are smooth and shiny.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

I got the spin tube out and bearings look ok.
Now it is time to order the seals.
I'm not understanding quite Well all those seals.
I found a chart with the part numbers but is not clear at all.
Please help me see if I understand it right.
91938 goes on the outside of the spin tube into the sleeve?
91939 is the agitator shaft seal that goes inside the spin tube and can be seen just above spin tube lips and basket drive thingies.
8577376 Not understanding it. Where does it go?
54209 goes on the sleeve on the bottom of the machine?

 

[repairguy]

The 91939 seal is the one for the top of the spin tube. If you order the bearing kit 285134 it will have all of the center post seals for a belt drive machine. The 8577376 is an updated top center post seal which incorporates 2 seals into one. I have not used this one on a belt drive personally. It was used on many direct drive machines.

 

[repairguy]

I don’t guess there’s any reason why you couldn’t use the updated 8577376 seal to replace the current 2 in the top of the center post.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

So the bearing kit also includes the 91939?
At the end of the story i did not understand how many seals i need and where do they go except for the 91939.

 

[repairguy]

The 91939 is ordered separately for the spin tube. Other than that if the bearings are still good remove the upper center post seals, add some turbine oil and install the new seal(s) deepening on which way you decide to go. Either the upper seals in the 285134 kit or the 8577376 referenced above.

 

[combo52]

The 91939

Comes factory installed in the top of spin tube and ride on the outside of the agitator shaft, sometimes if I am reusing a used spin-tube I will replace this top seal if it is not in near perfect condition.

 

John 

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Ok so...

The 91939 is this one in the picture. Gotcha.
I'm not understanding the others.
Is there a diagram with references of where they go?
Thanks

 

[kenmoreguy89]

I'm trying to get the spin tube seal out , but I don't understand how it is.
How it is made?
I'm pulling off seal chunks is it possibile that the exterior is made of metal?
Or are those lips where it sits?

 

[repairguy]

One arrow points to the spin tube seal and the other points to the seals in the top of the center post.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Yes the upper one I already removed it from the spin tube. And is the 91939 that does not come in the bearings kit Correct?
I'm trying to pull out the other one in the sleeve which i did not understand the correct number yet or how it looks like.
Sleeve is so greasy and mucky. Pulling out chunks of seal trying to force out with pliers and a flat head screwdriver but I don't understand if it got metal outside or what.
I took a look at how the bearings kit look like and i dont understand why so many seals and where they go

 

[repairguy]

Correct on the 91939 seal. Yes each seal that you are trying to remove has a metal band. In the bearing kit there are two seals for the upper center post for models built after 1978, 1 upper seal for models built before 1978, 2 oil seals (1 to go under each bearing), and an agitator seal.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Okay.
So if i'm getting that right the ring shaped seals goes on the bottom of each bearing like the one at the bottom of the sleeve.
So I will not use them since am not going to remove the bearings they are shiney i spot no rust.
I see each kit differs from one another and probably many are not original of course.
For example in this kit I'm looking at I got 3 bell-shaped seals.
Which one is the right one to be put in the sleeve riding spin tube?
Thank you

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Agi shaft seal 91939
hy this one has two seals?

Ci scusiamo per l'interruzione.

 

[repairguy]

Reply 16: the 2 larger ones

Reply 17: probably just showing same seal at different angles