This part sheet is closer to the Kenmore in age and design:
https://www.whirlpool.com/digitalassets/MLPDF/Repair Part List - 4319591.pdf
https://www.whirlpool.com/digitalassets/MLPDF/Repair Part List - 4319591.pdf
Whirlpool Dryer Rescued from the Scrap Metal Yard.
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Wow Gordon! Thank you so much!
<span style="font-size: medium;">I will definitely look into your suggestions, and I'll give John a call as well. Thanks again!</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">I will definitely look into your suggestions, and I'll give John a call as well. Thanks again!</span>
Gordon, I found the part!
<span style="font-size: medium;">First I went to my parts guy, he had the modern equivalent, it indeed fits the Kenmore, but he wanted way too much money. Even more expensive than online. So no thanks. BUT, I happened to find the ORIGINAL OEM part, online and ordered it. So crisis solved. Thanks for all your help!</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">First I went to my parts guy, he had the modern equivalent, it indeed fits the Kenmore, but he wanted way too much money. Even more expensive than online. So no thanks. BUT, I happened to find the ORIGINAL OEM part, online and ordered it. So crisis solved. Thanks for all your help!</span>
Glad you found the part is interchangeable!!! Post pics when the rebuild starts back up 
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I sure will Gordon!
<span style="font-size: medium;">Sooo, don't want to unscrew ay? </span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Well I don't THINK so.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Somebody's got a date with ammonia.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Sooo, don't want to unscrew ay? </span>
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</span><span style="font-size: medium;">Well I don't THINK so.</span>
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</span><span style="font-size: medium;">Somebody's got a date with ammonia.</span>
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Kenmore Motor Pulley's
<span style="font-size: medium;">The pulley on the new motor is ever so slightly larger than the pulley of the old motor. </span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">The pulley on the new motor is ever so slightly larger than the pulley of the old motor. </span>
Blower Wheel For Compact WP Built Dryer
Louie I would bet that the current blower for 24" dryers and TTs would fit, but the bigger question is why not use the good used one you have?. In over 40 years of fixing these dryers I have NEVER seen one of these blowers fail on a compact dryer, this is one place where the used one may be better than new, it would certainly be more environmentally responsible.
Louie I would bet that the current blower for 24" dryers and TTs would fit, but the bigger question is why not use the good used one you have?. In over 40 years of fixing these dryers I have NEVER seen one of these blowers fail on a compact dryer, this is one place where the used one may be better than new, it would certainly be more environmentally responsible.
<span style="font-size: medium;">I had to break off the old one John. I have no choice, it had to be replaced. But I ordered a replacement, exactly like the one I broke off.</span>
Blower Wheel For Compact WP Built Dryer
Sorry I guess I read your posts wrong, I thought you said you already had an extra used one, I do have dozens of good used ones if you or anyone ever needs another one. I have also had to cut these off as sometimes they will not budge, I always squirt penetrating oil at the blower end of the motors shaft before I even try to loosen any DD WP dryer blower so I dough that I have to cut off even one in 30 when changing a motor.
Sorry I guess I read your posts wrong, I thought you said you already had an extra used one, I do have dozens of good used ones if you or anyone ever needs another one. I have also had to cut these off as sometimes they will not budge, I always squirt penetrating oil at the blower end of the motors shaft before I even try to loosen any DD WP dryer blower so I dough that I have to cut off even one in 30 when changing a motor.
Penetrating oil
<span style="font-size: medium;">Now why didn't I think of that? DOH!</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Now why didn't I think of that? DOH!</span>
Blower wheel update:
<span style="font-size: medium;"> "Sorry this part was sold just before your order posted and it was our last one. we will email you if we locate another" So I'm back to square one. Oh John!!!</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;"> "Sorry this part was sold just before your order posted and it was our last one. we will email you if we locate another" So I'm back to square one. Oh John!!!</span>
Louie -
I have been really preoccupied on another front lately, however I had sense enough the other day to look at my old 1992 Whirlpool Laundry Parts catalog about this. As I mentioned before, I had never really thought about these cool little dryers and how their miniaturized parts are "the same but different".
In my catalog, it shows both blowers, so this 'new' blower has been around for more than 20 years --- that's longer than the original. It describes both as being 7" blower fans, and since the motor shaft hasn't changed, it would make sense that the new blower would fit the old installation. THe new part's fins are curved or curled as compared to the old one, so perhaps it would improve the dryer's efficiency? That would be an interesting test actually.
There was one new blower on eBay last time I checked in the new version, and as John said, he has lots of used original ones. I LOVE re-purposing used parts that are perfectly good, but on certain projects I like using new stuff. Either way it sounds like you have good choices at your disposal.
To me, it looks like Whirlpool goofed in not linking the new blower part to the old one. Many call that "Subbing over". Whirlpool was at one time very good about subbing new parts to old ones so although the original part was NLA, SOMETHING was available that would allow the appliance to continue being used.
Check online prices for that new blower with other companies, they may beat your parts guy's price.
Good luck with whatever route you take!
Gordon
I have been really preoccupied on another front lately, however I had sense enough the other day to look at my old 1992 Whirlpool Laundry Parts catalog about this. As I mentioned before, I had never really thought about these cool little dryers and how their miniaturized parts are "the same but different".
In my catalog, it shows both blowers, so this 'new' blower has been around for more than 20 years --- that's longer than the original. It describes both as being 7" blower fans, and since the motor shaft hasn't changed, it would make sense that the new blower would fit the old installation. THe new part's fins are curved or curled as compared to the old one, so perhaps it would improve the dryer's efficiency? That would be an interesting test actually.
There was one new blower on eBay last time I checked in the new version, and as John said, he has lots of used original ones. I LOVE re-purposing used parts that are perfectly good, but on certain projects I like using new stuff. Either way it sounds like you have good choices at your disposal.
To me, it looks like Whirlpool goofed in not linking the new blower part to the old one. Many call that "Subbing over". Whirlpool was at one time very good about subbing new parts to old ones so although the original part was NLA, SOMETHING was available that would allow the appliance to continue being used.
Check online prices for that new blower with other companies, they may beat your parts guy's price.
Good luck with whatever route you take!
Gordon
Slightly off topic, but here's a story about part subs
In the world of Kenmore washer agitators, there have been something like 8 or 10 different agitators in the original belt-drive models, but there were literally perhaps 100 different part numbers for these agitators. Tiny revisions like the addition of the "mini-fins" on the original Penta-Swirls gave the P.S. a new part number, as did a change in color from gold to white. As well, there were several changes made to the polypropylene Super Roto-Swirl, one to the sealing surface at the agitator cap, and a couple changes to the centerpost of the agitator on the underneath side. These changes caused new parts numbers to be made as well, but in these cases, the old parts all subbed over to the newest version available.
Currently, even the handful of different Straight-Vane agitator part numbers sub-over to the final version of the Roto-Swirl, so that the legions of S.V. equipped machines will still show as having an agitator available if a customer so desires.
One case where Whirlpool goofed, as I mentioned above, involves the two generations of the Penta-Vane. This agitator came out in 1973 in the original gold color. It was usable with or without an extension for the softener dispenser, and this agitator continued unchanged until summer 1981, even in gold.
In 1981, a new version of this was engineered to be white, and it had two changes made to basic agitator. First, a weep hole for air bubbles was added to the agitator skirt. Second, the little fins underneath were added to be used with the basket-mounted filter models. Other than the color, the agitator was otherwise identical to the original. When the original gold version was finally out of stock, it should have subbed over to the white version, but it never was. Thus, some poor Johnny Q Customer somewhere probably went shopping for an agitator for his 197x Kenmore with Penta-Vane and came up empty, when the white versions were on shelves and still available.
The changes in the Roto-Swirl and Straight-Vane were much more significant than these two Penta-Vanes, but those agitators subbed, whereas the P.V. didn't. Clearly, this seems like an oversight by Whirlpool as these two agitators fit in any large capacity machine from 1973 on with no issue.
I am not saying that WP royally screwed up, but this is how oversights can happen, and I think that may have happened with the compact dryer's blower wheel as well. A test of the new blower in an older model would be a fun project.
Gordon
In the world of Kenmore washer agitators, there have been something like 8 or 10 different agitators in the original belt-drive models, but there were literally perhaps 100 different part numbers for these agitators. Tiny revisions like the addition of the "mini-fins" on the original Penta-Swirls gave the P.S. a new part number, as did a change in color from gold to white. As well, there were several changes made to the polypropylene Super Roto-Swirl, one to the sealing surface at the agitator cap, and a couple changes to the centerpost of the agitator on the underneath side. These changes caused new parts numbers to be made as well, but in these cases, the old parts all subbed over to the newest version available.
Currently, even the handful of different Straight-Vane agitator part numbers sub-over to the final version of the Roto-Swirl, so that the legions of S.V. equipped machines will still show as having an agitator available if a customer so desires.
One case where Whirlpool goofed, as I mentioned above, involves the two generations of the Penta-Vane. This agitator came out in 1973 in the original gold color. It was usable with or without an extension for the softener dispenser, and this agitator continued unchanged until summer 1981, even in gold.
In 1981, a new version of this was engineered to be white, and it had two changes made to basic agitator. First, a weep hole for air bubbles was added to the agitator skirt. Second, the little fins underneath were added to be used with the basket-mounted filter models. Other than the color, the agitator was otherwise identical to the original. When the original gold version was finally out of stock, it should have subbed over to the white version, but it never was. Thus, some poor Johnny Q Customer somewhere probably went shopping for an agitator for his 197x Kenmore with Penta-Vane and came up empty, when the white versions were on shelves and still available.
The changes in the Roto-Swirl and Straight-Vane were much more significant than these two Penta-Vanes, but those agitators subbed, whereas the P.V. didn't. Clearly, this seems like an oversight by Whirlpool as these two agitators fit in any large capacity machine from 1973 on with no issue.
I am not saying that WP royally screwed up, but this is how oversights can happen, and I think that may have happened with the compact dryer's blower wheel as well. A test of the new blower in an older model would be a fun project.
Gordon
<span style="font-size: medium;">I highly suspect the new ones would fit as well Gordon, even be slightly more efficient as you suggested. I bet Whirlpool/Kenmore didn't sub over their parts because they want you to buy a new replacement appliance.</span> Thanks for all the info Gordon, I really appreciate it.
I haven't forgotten...
<span style="font-size: medium;">Been busy laying down a new floor for my sister. Hopefully I'll be back to the dryer by the end of this week. </span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Been busy laying down a new floor for my sister. Hopefully I'll be back to the dryer by the end of this week. </span>
Just wanted to add one possible theory for not subbing over could be because these dryers were only a small percentage of the full size dryers sold and thus the part number fell under the radar. Who knows.
Kenmore Dryer Updates:
<span style="font-size: medium;">Final scrubbing of Kenmore dryer interior.</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Final scrubbing of Kenmore dryer interior.</span>
Kenmore Dryer Update:
<span style="font-size: medium;">New 1/3 HP OEM motor installed:</span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">New 1/3 HP OEM motor installed:</span>
Kenmore Dryer Update:
<span style="font-size: medium;">I decided to leave the pulley that came with the new motor. After careful inspection, the pulley is the same circumference of the old motors pulley. It is however slightly wider by one ridge. </span>
<span style="font-size: medium;">I decided to leave the pulley that came with the new motor. After careful inspection, the pulley is the same circumference of the old motors pulley. It is however slightly wider by one ridge. </span>
Next, first test of new motor...
<span style="font-size: medium;">Will I blackout NYC? Will I knock out power all the way up to Toronto? Join us next week on the same Bat Time, same Bat Channel. </span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Will I blackout NYC? Will I knock out power all the way up to Toronto? Join us next week on the same Bat Time, same Bat Channel. </span>
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