smoochies189
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here's your inside shots you wanted of all three machines and the harvest gold with a regular agitator in it
whirlpool harvest gold Super Capacity w double duty super Surgilator
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scrubflex
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Okayyy, that's the regular Surgilator agitator for the standard size tub, not the 27 gallon washtub SURGILATOR.
scrubflex
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Smoochies, is this your surgilator, the first one? Check out the previous pic of the agitator closer, the upper straight vanes 'flare out' and 'extend higher' on the other SURGILATOR.
scrubflex
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Those are very nice videos Smoochies. Now you need the 27 gallon Super SURGILATOR agitator...THESE high vanes will really 'swish and slosh' the laundry back and forth then pull it down with force. Thanks for the videos, keep'em coming...
Those are very nice videos Smoochies. Now you need the 27 gallon Super SURGILATOR agitator...THESE high vanes will really 'swish and slosh' the laundry back and forth then pull it down with force. Thanks for the videos, keep'em coming...
Late 70s WP Washer Agitators
Thank You Glen, you are correct the Double Duty Surglator did come out in the LFA Super Capacity models, I was incorrect when I said it did not appear till the 1980 LHA models.
Hi Harry, there was only one agitator for WP 27 gallon washers that had bigger fins, it was the black Bakelite agitator used in the orignal 27 gallon machines which either came out in 67 or 8 and by 1970 was changed to a regular SS agitator that had the same fin area only the post was higher.
Thank You Glen, you are correct the Double Duty Surglator did come out in the LFA Super Capacity models, I was incorrect when I said it did not appear till the 1980 LHA models.
Hi Harry, there was only one agitator for WP 27 gallon washers that had bigger fins, it was the black Bakelite agitator used in the orignal 27 gallon machines which either came out in 67 or 8 and by 1970 was changed to a regular SS agitator that had the same fin area only the post was higher.
John, this is whats puzzling me.....
when did they change to the short post tubs?....this is a pic of my 79 digital machine....and the 83 Whirlpool has the same one
for one thing, I was finding out that the DoubleDuty agitator would fit both capacities, large and exlarge.....
AND, standard capacity agitators, like Kenmores RotoSwirl would fit the exlarge capacity tub.....
I thought the change to the tub and all of them using the same tranny for both sizes was around 1975...
in that gold machine, he must be using a 4 port pump to power that waterfall filter, a bit too powerful.....wonder if a restrictor could be used to tone it down some...
when did they change to the short post tubs?....this is a pic of my 79 digital machine....and the 83 Whirlpool has the same one
for one thing, I was finding out that the DoubleDuty agitator would fit both capacities, large and exlarge.....
AND, standard capacity agitators, like Kenmores RotoSwirl would fit the exlarge capacity tub.....
I thought the change to the tub and all of them using the same tranny for both sizes was around 1975...
in that gold machine, he must be using a 4 port pump to power that waterfall filter, a bit too powerful.....wonder if a restrictor could be used to tone it down some...
scrubflex
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Hey John and Yogi, John I do remember that the 1968 black Bakelite agitator was the real original surgilator...I meant original for the design...when was this (pics) Super SURGILATOR introduced and put in the 27 gallon washtubs?
And, I thought that this agitator would be in Smoochies LDA-7800 washer not, the standard size one...I mean it is different, not a big difference...the (upper) long flared straight vanes enhances the agitation for extra large loads right...better than the standard one, it seems
And, I thought that this agitator would be in Smoochies LDA-7800 washer not, the standard size one...I mean it is different, not a big difference...the (upper) long flared straight vanes enhances the agitation for extra large loads right...better than the standard one, it seems
scrubflex
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SURGILATING
Smoochies, can you make a video of your gold LDA-7800 Whirlpool Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator 'surgilating' an extra large load? And, what do you think of the other posts?
Smoochies, can you make a video of your gold LDA-7800 Whirlpool Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator 'surgilating' an extra large load? And, what do you think of the other posts?
pierreandreply4
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Harvest gold whirlpool washer
It would also be nice to see a close up picture of the dial 1 and also a video of your harvest gold washer going true a full cycle frommain wash to final spin
It would also be nice to see a close up picture of the dial 1 and also a video of your harvest gold washer going true a full cycle frommain wash to final spin
Martin's question about the centerpost height
Martin -
To answer your question to John, the centerpost was shortened 5 or 6 inches in very early 1978, maybe even on 1/1/78. This involved 24-inch machines, 29-inch standard capacity, AND 29-inch large capacity models such that they all continued to use the same length spin tubes.
This change did not effect the transmission shafts or the agitators. A length change that did though happened on the large capacity +- 27 gallon models in late 1973, which also changed the centerpost height. Prior to this, these large cap. machines had their own centerpost length, their own spin tube length, and their own agitators. Kenmore had been using a large Super Roto-Swirl for several years, and WP used the S Surgilator, which as John said just had a lengthened centerpost, I don't think it was much different in lower skirt or fin area, etc. This change shortened the agitator shaft to be common with the standard capacity models, thus the same gearcases could be used in all models, and therefore all the agitators in use at the time became interchangeable.
In total, the 27-gallon large capacity machines had three centerpost and spin tube lengths during their production:
Version 1, the tallest from 1967-1973, which started with the whopper black bakelite agitators and later the big Roto-Swirl, and tall but otherwise the same Super Surgilator.
Version 2, which dimensionally matched standard capacity models from late 1973 to 1978. The centerpost, spin tube, and gearcase shaft of the large machines were all shortened to match then current production standard machines. This was when the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl were developed, and when WP started using the standard-looking Super Surgilator in their big capacity machines.
Version 3, in which the centerpost and spin tube was shortened 5 more inches from 1978 to summer 1981. This change was strictly "under agitator" and nobody could see this unless you pull the agitator, and no new agitators were developed due to this change. These machines are immediately obvious when the agitator is removed as much of the agitator shaft, that is covered in the older models, is now exposed.
The 27-gallon sized machine ended production in summer 1981 in favor of the 22-gallon "Energy Efficient" belt-drive. These again used the same centerposts, basket drives, and transmissions with the standard machines, and even the same baseplates this time.
Clear as mud?
Gordon
Martin -
To answer your question to John, the centerpost was shortened 5 or 6 inches in very early 1978, maybe even on 1/1/78. This involved 24-inch machines, 29-inch standard capacity, AND 29-inch large capacity models such that they all continued to use the same length spin tubes.
This change did not effect the transmission shafts or the agitators. A length change that did though happened on the large capacity +- 27 gallon models in late 1973, which also changed the centerpost height. Prior to this, these large cap. machines had their own centerpost length, their own spin tube length, and their own agitators. Kenmore had been using a large Super Roto-Swirl for several years, and WP used the S Surgilator, which as John said just had a lengthened centerpost, I don't think it was much different in lower skirt or fin area, etc. This change shortened the agitator shaft to be common with the standard capacity models, thus the same gearcases could be used in all models, and therefore all the agitators in use at the time became interchangeable.
In total, the 27-gallon large capacity machines had three centerpost and spin tube lengths during their production:
Version 1, the tallest from 1967-1973, which started with the whopper black bakelite agitators and later the big Roto-Swirl, and tall but otherwise the same Super Surgilator.
Version 2, which dimensionally matched standard capacity models from late 1973 to 1978. The centerpost, spin tube, and gearcase shaft of the large machines were all shortened to match then current production standard machines. This was when the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl were developed, and when WP started using the standard-looking Super Surgilator in their big capacity machines.
Version 3, in which the centerpost and spin tube was shortened 5 more inches from 1978 to summer 1981. This change was strictly "under agitator" and nobody could see this unless you pull the agitator, and no new agitators were developed due to this change. These machines are immediately obvious when the agitator is removed as much of the agitator shaft, that is covered in the older models, is now exposed.
The 27-gallon sized machine ended production in summer 1981 in favor of the 22-gallon "Energy Efficient" belt-drive. These again used the same centerposts, basket drives, and transmissions with the standard machines, and even the same baseplates this time.
Clear as mud?
Gordon
Thanks Gordon......
this explains a lot......and clearly at that.....I couldn't remember exactly what year they started with the short center post to match all machine to use one style of spin tubes and agitators, no matter what tub was inserted into the machine...
as we talked before over the agitators that would fit either capacity tubs.....this only added to our fun of interchanging them for different effects of wash patterns...basically all you need is one machine to try out different ones...small or large....
just always found the Surgilator would handle large loads with ease...when it came to Kenmores, no matter what agitator, seemed to work best at 2/3 or less of its capacity...mainly because their vanes were at the bottom only.....until the Dual Action came out.....Surprised they didn't combine the base of a 6 vane RotoFlex, with the Spirals of a DA
this explains a lot......and clearly at that.....I couldn't remember exactly what year they started with the short center post to match all machine to use one style of spin tubes and agitators, no matter what tub was inserted into the machine...
as we talked before over the agitators that would fit either capacity tubs.....this only added to our fun of interchanging them for different effects of wash patterns...basically all you need is one machine to try out different ones...small or large....
just always found the Surgilator would handle large loads with ease...when it came to Kenmores, no matter what agitator, seemed to work best at 2/3 or less of its capacity...mainly because their vanes were at the bottom only.....until the Dual Action came out.....Surprised they didn't combine the base of a 6 vane RotoFlex, with the Spirals of a DA
smoochies189
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ok,
I found my original surgilator and remember why I don't use it anymore because the gasket bolted to the shaft dry rotted and crumbled away to dust. besides the fact that I also did not find the cleaning action to be all that fantastic. especially with a full size load. but I will rig something up to seal the agitator so I can do one last load with it to make everyone happy.
My personal preference for that machine is the double duty Surga later only because of the tremendous wash action it gives with its extended fins and the extreme size of the tub / basket. with the double duty agitator you get a hell of a lot more action and a much more violent swish doing wash and rinse. I don't really remember the washing action of the original agitator being anything to rant and rave about unless you did a large load and not an extra large load.
And this machine does have 83 port pump and not a 4 port pump since I could not find a new magic clean filter to replace the old one. I tried to clean it with some chemicals but to no avail. when the machine would rain it would use almost all of the 4 minutes and they would still be water in the bottom of the basket when it would start to spend so needless to say the draining action sucked! and I could not find a new magic clean filter system for the washer, and had to modify it a little bit by finding a new tub ring with a filter and change it over to a 3 port pump.
I just ordered roto swirl agitator for it from a website called best bids and they also had penta swirl that I will be acquiring as soon as it is available again. unfortunately it was out of stock otherwise I would have bought it too.
I will do a video tomorrow with the original agitator in the machine so keep your eyes posted and look for it.
As for my thoughts on all of the posts, seems like we got a good can worms going here which is pretty cool. I hope everybody enjoyed the pictures and unfortunately me being the way that I am back when I got that machine I really did not want to do to it what I did by modifying its original features but sometimes in order to get what you want you have to do what you need.
I have put that machine through hell and back and it never gives me any trouble at all. I do have a direct drive Roper that you can see in the pictures that I posted and if you notice it is not hooked up. why you ask?!
Because it is a shred more! that machine has ruined more clothes on my wife than any other machine in the history of any washing machine built and I'll go on record for saying that! as far as the wife goes, she loves the harvest gold machine maybe more than I do but that's why I keep the double duty in that so she can do herungodly large loads which I'm always complaining about!
I'm always stressing to her not to overload the washing machine!
I found my original surgilator and remember why I don't use it anymore because the gasket bolted to the shaft dry rotted and crumbled away to dust. besides the fact that I also did not find the cleaning action to be all that fantastic. especially with a full size load. but I will rig something up to seal the agitator so I can do one last load with it to make everyone happy.
My personal preference for that machine is the double duty Surga later only because of the tremendous wash action it gives with its extended fins and the extreme size of the tub / basket. with the double duty agitator you get a hell of a lot more action and a much more violent swish doing wash and rinse. I don't really remember the washing action of the original agitator being anything to rant and rave about unless you did a large load and not an extra large load.
And this machine does have 83 port pump and not a 4 port pump since I could not find a new magic clean filter to replace the old one. I tried to clean it with some chemicals but to no avail. when the machine would rain it would use almost all of the 4 minutes and they would still be water in the bottom of the basket when it would start to spend so needless to say the draining action sucked! and I could not find a new magic clean filter system for the washer, and had to modify it a little bit by finding a new tub ring with a filter and change it over to a 3 port pump.
I just ordered roto swirl agitator for it from a website called best bids and they also had penta swirl that I will be acquiring as soon as it is available again. unfortunately it was out of stock otherwise I would have bought it too.
I will do a video tomorrow with the original agitator in the machine so keep your eyes posted and look for it.
As for my thoughts on all of the posts, seems like we got a good can worms going here which is pretty cool. I hope everybody enjoyed the pictures and unfortunately me being the way that I am back when I got that machine I really did not want to do to it what I did by modifying its original features but sometimes in order to get what you want you have to do what you need.
I have put that machine through hell and back and it never gives me any trouble at all. I do have a direct drive Roper that you can see in the pictures that I posted and if you notice it is not hooked up. why you ask?!
Because it is a shred more! that machine has ruined more clothes on my wife than any other machine in the history of any washing machine built and I'll go on record for saying that! as far as the wife goes, she loves the harvest gold machine maybe more than I do but that's why I keep the double duty in that so she can do herungodly large loads which I'm always complaining about!
I'm always stressing to her not to overload the washing machine!
scrubflex
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AWESOME
Hey Smoochies, I really appreciate you taking the time to make the video and I hope it'll be video(s)---(CHEESY SMILE) because there aren't any videos of this agitator in ACTION. When I look at your video of the standard size Super Surgilator agitator washing the load of sheets on the ex.large setting, I was really surprised and very impressed with how it pull the load down into the tub from the top of the load without any vanes. I imagined the original Super SURGILATOR (straight vanes) would work that forcefully. Have you ever thought of using the original Super SURGILATOR in the smaller tub Whirlpool's to see how it works a load with less tub space? Like Pierre said, hopefully you can make full cycle wash-to-final spin videos of EX LARGE, LARGE, MEDIUM and EX SMALL load sizes in the 27 gallon tub.
And, that's why I don't use my Whirlpool Gold 'shredmore' anymore.
Hey Smoochies, I really appreciate you taking the time to make the video and I hope it'll be video(s)---(CHEESY SMILE) because there aren't any videos of this agitator in ACTION. When I look at your video of the standard size Super Surgilator agitator washing the load of sheets on the ex.large setting, I was really surprised and very impressed with how it pull the load down into the tub from the top of the load without any vanes. I imagined the original Super SURGILATOR (straight vanes) would work that forcefully. Have you ever thought of using the original Super SURGILATOR in the smaller tub Whirlpool's to see how it works a load with less tub space? Like Pierre said, hopefully you can make full cycle wash-to-final spin videos of EX LARGE, LARGE, MEDIUM and EX SMALL load sizes in the 27 gallon tub.
And, that's why I don't use my Whirlpool Gold 'shredmore' anymore.
smoochies189
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Surgilator, super surgilator, double duty super surgilator agitator! !!
Great pic!
To be precise however, both the agitator on the left AND the center agitator were called by Whirlpool "Super Surgilator".
The original Super Surg. debuted in 1968, approximately, when Whirlpool first changed this agitator over to polypropylene from bakelite, for use in standard capacity machines. The term "super" was added because the agitator was modified in the area around the fins, as they were curled and extended over the agitator's skirt, which can be seen in a number of pictures in this thread. The first of these agitators for a year or two were powder blue in color vs. the later white, but every machine with a blue/white or chrome cap with this new plastic agitator said "Super Surgilator" on it, and this did not have anything to do with the 18lb. machine.
The standard Surgilator name belongs to the black bakelite version, which does not have the extended fins.
Gordon
To be precise however, both the agitator on the left AND the center agitator were called by Whirlpool "Super Surgilator".
The original Super Surg. debuted in 1968, approximately, when Whirlpool first changed this agitator over to polypropylene from bakelite, for use in standard capacity machines. The term "super" was added because the agitator was modified in the area around the fins, as they were curled and extended over the agitator's skirt, which can be seen in a number of pictures in this thread. The first of these agitators for a year or two were powder blue in color vs. the later white, but every machine with a blue/white or chrome cap with this new plastic agitator said "Super Surgilator" on it, and this did not have anything to do with the 18lb. machine.
The standard Surgilator name belongs to the black bakelite version, which does not have the extended fins.
Gordon
smoochies189
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I`m uploading a video now of the 18 in a standard size machine,also a troubled load of a nasty outside rug which clogged the pump,it`s no suds lock but a genuine clog of the pump.had to stop and fix in middle of filming!!but fun to do.
when is some Kenmore folks going to do some vids!!not clips,,vids!!
when is some Kenmore folks going to do some vids!!not clips,,vids!!
scrubflex
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Awesome video
Please make a video using the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR doing a load in the 27 gallon LDA washer also. I want a LDA washer in place of my DD Whirlpool Gold.
Please make a video using the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR doing a load in the 27 gallon LDA washer also. I want a LDA washer in place of my DD Whirlpool Gold.
I thought the original agitator for the 18 lb machine was taller than the rest....
the ones in the pic all look the same height....
the ones in the pic all look the same height....
scrubflex
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The taller spline Surgilator used in the 27 gallon tubs is designed like the first or front agitator in the pic.
Smoochies, you replaced your original Super SURGILATOR agitator because I see one of the wavy vane is broken.
Smoochies, you replaced your original Super SURGILATOR agitator because I see one of the wavy vane is broken.
scrubflex
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Smoochies, your 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR agitator is not going to work at it's absolute best because of the broken vane. The rollover is not going to be smooth and consistent, the laundry will get snagged and bunch up. It's going to be a hindrance more than anything. It looks PRETTY AWESOME to me but, you can't get the best wash action from it with that broken vane...maybe someone will donate a spare or you can buy one from a parts store. I'll search around for you.
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