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I've thought about this myself seeing how the newer top loaders are being built to have a short life span and phase them out with FL'rs so people are forced to buy something they may not want to start using and in all probability the newer FL'rs will be built the same way of these top loaders.
So where does recycling and repairing come into place to save the environment when we'll run out of space with useless appliances 5-10 years old? My employers mother replaced a stackable unit no older than 5yrs when the repair was going to cost more than a new unit, I don't get it ??? Are we heading back to the days of the rock on the river again, lol ???
 
I bet washing clothes in the tub would be more effective tha



Its really starting to look like they're doing it on purpose....this video proves that they are trying to make washers fill up with such little amounts of water that the action of the agitator is ripping the clothes! so basically this is a dry rinse. what a piece of junk.
 
We all complain about the quality of these machines. Why doesn't some of the more entrepreneurial and ones with more means start a repair and distribution center to save and sell these old appliances. We seem to have a growing community of people here that feel this way. Bigger things have been started with less support. I don't think the government could do anything to stop it. It could be checked on ahead of time with an attorney.

I'm sure many here would jump at a chance to work at a place like that, especially if it was run by the right person, someone that would make it a fun and educational place to work. Then maybe people would start to learn skills again, jobs would be created and these companies that are turning out landfill fodder would set up and take notice. Maybe they would learn that planned obsolescence isn't really eco-friendly and start making something worth buying again.

I know that most people believe that the government can't be fought and whatever they say goes, but I for one still believe in the American dream. Especially when enough people are behind it with growing numbers supporting it. No, it would not be easy, but nothing good is ever achieved with out hard work. As each day goes by, more and more of these machines are going to the crusher when they really aren't in that bad of shape. Think of the energy and resources it took to make those machines. Is that good policy?

Now enter defeatist. Shoot it down. I'm sure someone will. Not being confrontational, but that seems to be the way it goes here. Realist enter too, but there is a big difference between realism and defeatism. Keep in mind, sometimes we make our own reality. Cheers, everyone.
 
Well, all I really have to say is that if you think you can design and build a better machine yourself, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.

Personally, I think voting with my wallet is the best approach. Rather than focusing on who makes junk and complaining about it, it probably is better if we buy from the manufacturers that don't make junk and build quality goods.

This is why I foresee myself purchasing Alliance made washers and dryers for the rest of my natural life. By the time my washer breaks down and can't be repaired, I'll be at retirement age.
 
Whirlpool's water saving top loaders are the biggest trash ever put on the market. Everyone that I know who has bought an HE whirlpool made top loader has hated it with a passion. You just cant get clothes clean in that little water in a top lading basket. The auto fill machines are hit or miss on the right fill level. A large number of the early generation auto fills have needed there fill level sensors replaced. The newer BD auto fills are less service prone, but, its still a fill gamble.

The lower end BD that have a manual fill selector actually get the tub full and do a good job of cleaning. But the lid lock to compensate for Whirlpool being to cheap to instal a tub break on the splutch is a huge pain to deal with, and adds 10 minutes alone to the cycle. Both to make sure the lid has latched and the fact the control wont unlock the lid until the tub has completely stopped, which adds several minutes after each spin.

Service wise a number of these machines need pump/lid lock/control replacements. Not sure why though. When ever I go to Lowes I always see 2 or 3 new BD being returned for either not working or not cleaning.

Now that Whirlpool is a full blown monopoly they can get away with selling anything. The foriegn manufactuers like LG, Samsung, Haier and those that are trying to enter the American market are being sued/bullied by Whirlpool into raising there prices on show room floors or not selling there all together. GE is their only real competator, but its made to appeal to home builders and landlords and the low end market. That and the fact where ever Appliances are sold the sales floor is dominated by whirlpool made brands that smother out the few other manufacturer models sitting there. The elctronic's industrie is nothing like this.

Unless you have thousands to spend on a Miele or Bosch you stuck with Whirlpool. Marketing and gimmicks at work...
 
A good friend of mine that lives nearby replaced a 95 plastic-tub Hotpoint washer with a Maytag belt-drive when they first came out a few years ago. He's had no trouble and no complaints so far. Full disclosure, they are not laundrophiles and likely have never noticed water levels, etc. 'If the clothes are wet and stuck to the tub, the wash is done' is more the line of thinking, as with many people.
 
re that video above about the Maytag Centennial with hardly any water in it.. Is that for real how they work, it doesn't appear to a an HE model because of the agitator. It looks more to me like there's a problem with the water level sensor and if working correctly would have more water in there. ?
 
Maytag Centennial HE

That machine in the video has automatic load sensing that adds the correct amount of water. Technically the machine isnt supposed to have that little water, for an impeller model its about right, mabey a tad more.

Underfiling is sometimes a very common problem with auto fill Whirlpools, Ive seen that many times. Not sure about this machine but on older sensor models when you lift the lid during the wash and rinse it fills to the top afterwards.

Either way seeing that video really boils my blood, I like his comment though about how that got on the market.
 
I just bought a Haier top loader

In January, its not a direct drive model or whatever the Fisher&Paykel washers are for sure, it also seems rather cheaply manufactured but for $350 and a deep/full rinse on the quick cycle it seems like a pretty good machine to me so far.....
 
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well i talked to the fella who owns that Maytag in the video and he said they came to check it out but they found no errors so im thinking he had a bad control board.

i have the whirlpool variant of this its a revision 3 meaning some design/ structural changes and maybe a re calibrated board and sensing algorithm for the most part it senses correctly but sometimes with a small load i find it should add more water.

then there are times i will watch it an think you should add more water and it will stop agitating and add some more water and wash again or add some more water think a bit then add some more then wash.

i think sensing is done using 3 things
1) the weight o the load during sensing spins the heavier the items in the drum the longer or shorter it will spin after the motor pulse.
2) the length of time it take to saturate the load and being filling up to a level the pressure sensor will pic up.
3) sensing strokes the more clothes in the washer the harder it is for the washer to make its full 180/360 degree sensing arch. during sensing strokes the water level is low and from watching the washer the level is determined by how long it take to saturate the load the 3 level of water i saw for sensing stokes are (just below the rotator, right where the fins join the center pole and in between the rotator and where the bottom of the fins join the center pole.

this is the sensing part of the cycle :
(fills to where the fins join the center pole lowest sensing level)

small load would have liked a little more water but shockingly came out clean with he detergent (guess the concentrated cleaning worked here):


the rinse water level largish load it washed @ that same water level too


mine works and im happy with it but to me whirlpool still need to refine the water level singing , get a quieter pump, all drums should be stainless steel by now, and the agitator design should have been like in the cabrio model with the agitator i liked that design a bit futuristic and it was right down to the bottom of the drum no gap under it, most importantly would it have killed whirlpool to apply a small voltage in to the motor to power it in the reverse direction of spinning so that would have slowed the washer to a stop faster, start with a small voltage and increase till the drum stops dont think that would have wore out the belt if done right. oh and bring back self leveling are legs come on whirlpool we went backwards by removing it
check the image for sensing water levels ...

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well..

The last video of the full rinse is ok but as for the small load i like my clothes swimming in water....i mean after a few loads of laundry the washer is still using the same amount of water, if that makes sense...so why is it that they don't just fill up the full way on all cycles? that would be a good question for whatever idiots came up with this idea to conserve water in washing machines because I don't really see why it matters how much water they use??? if the world is gonna run out of water its gonna happen there is nothing they can do to stop it and if thats what they think is going to happen then they are really stupid....thats all i can say!
 
@beekeyknee

Yes that sounds like a great idea but I don't think there is a market for old washers .Unfortunately everyone wants the new pretty glossy colored front loaders or the new stainless steel drum top loaders...But if someone ever did create a store like that I would sure end up buying my appliances there....that's for sure
 
The newest models have the "powerwash" (or something like that) feature that is supposed to fill to the max setting. I guess it bypasses the auto fill system. Never saw it in action but maybe this is Whirlpool's way of still meeting the government standards on the normal cycle and still offer the customer an option for a more traditional wash.

I do believe that with some modifications these could be good machines. The question is (as others point out here) does Whirlpool wan't them to be good ?
 
Unfortunately, there is little to no profit to be had selling refurbished older machines.

Unless you can find a regular supply of near mint condition, low mileage machines at bargain prices one would be hard pressed to break even after time, fuel, parts and labor cost are added in.
 
I hate that

You have to use the longest wash cycle to get a full wash and rinse on Whirlpool/Maytag bravos washers...and a wash that takes 2 hours may start to wear out the motor after a while, don't you think?
 
Wow after watching the above video in reply #20. Thanks Norgechef. The tweak between the 2011 and the 2013 water levels is very noticeable. alr
 

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