I had that machine and it is true it will over ride the water level on the Normal cycle. It will also fill to a lower water level if you open the lid during the rinse fill even if you have it set to a higher level. These manufacturers are playing games with us....
Whirlpool Washer Rant!
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npolite
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Thank you for re-affirming this. I had thought someone was using the Eco mode which would in my mind over-ride it. I guess I dodged a bullet there.
What is the point in having it? I wonder if the GE models do this as well.
vacerator
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"Mam, putting a non sensor type water level selector is over budget, and against the uniform code." Tear that bitch of a selector out and put a normal old fashioned one in!" "Don't EFF with me fellas!"
That is literally how I imagine all my washers. Along with a backup pressure switch for peace of mind.
Even the lid instructions on the Maytag commercial. Tell you this about using the normal cycle. How it works with your selection for optimal performance. I forget exactly what it says but that's the gist of it. In other words, it overrides what you choose. It's the way they word it without being direct.
I would love to be in the room to hear the reasoning behind doing that. Or the terms to sanitize questionable practices into something moral.
pinkpower4
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I've owned the older model of this washer for seven years now. No issues other than replacing the agitator dogs (inexpensive easy-to-replace part that has to be replaced occasionally due to normal wear/tear). Interesting. Does the newer model override the "Normal" cycle only or all cycles? If only "normal" cycle, I think this is the cycle that manufacturers use to meet whatever energy savings requirements they have to. It may not be specific to this washer or manufacturer. Just be aware of it, and work around it.
On my older model, Normal is a half load wash and spray rinse and the ONLY option for a smaller wash load. Surprisingly, it works well for lightly soiled items or as a "Quick Wash". I have my hoses hooked up so that I control the water temp with the faucets and not the knobs, so I have true warm or hot water for these washes too. It's too rough for smaller loads of delicates though.
If you are set on getting a top load washer, the Maytag described here works well. The dual action agitator moves clothes down, in, and through the water very well. It actually uses a full tub of water (at least my model does), and the basic load selections meet my needs.
I was able to get around the restrictions by hooking up my washer differently, so I control the temp from the water faucet. For that small load of whites? I just wash it twice on Normal, and I have hot water for it. Need a half tub rinse. Run a load with no detergent. I just have to remember to put the faucet back on cold after the tub initially fills for any load I do. Yeah. I shouldn't have to do this, but it is what it is. It's a great washer if one is willing to do these extra steps. I hope the newer model of this is only overriding the Normal. The temperature control for the deep water washes didn't seem to be restricted on my older model. In fact the auto temp control is nice because it adjusts for seasons using more warm water in winter and less in summer where incoming water is cooloer or hotter--this is for deep water washes only. It seemed to use tap hot for hot. I even tested mine above the recommended 120 installer per manufacturer's instructions. It is only that normal cycle, which I used a lot, why I had to hook the hoses up different.
Honestly. I am sure there were good intentions behind these water-saving requirements, but they weren't well thought out or actually researched. Really. They should have had someone that actually uses these explore these options before making them mandatory. Without work arounds, they may require more water (that small load of whites where the only half load is cold only), running the load again (not enough water or wash time), smaller loads so there is enough water (more electricity), more chemicals (to compensate for lack of water temp or less wash time), etc. The biggest glaring reminder of these is all the yard ornaments I see on porches, yards, etc. They only last a few years now IF you are lucky and use them carefully. They wind up in landfills and not recycled because they are too expensive to repair (labor and parts) for most. They took a situation and made it worse!
If I had gotten another front load, I would have looked at the LG turbo or there is a GE that my daughter really likes too.
On my older model, Normal is a half load wash and spray rinse and the ONLY option for a smaller wash load. Surprisingly, it works well for lightly soiled items or as a "Quick Wash". I have my hoses hooked up so that I control the water temp with the faucets and not the knobs, so I have true warm or hot water for these washes too. It's too rough for smaller loads of delicates though.
If you are set on getting a top load washer, the Maytag described here works well. The dual action agitator moves clothes down, in, and through the water very well. It actually uses a full tub of water (at least my model does), and the basic load selections meet my needs.
I was able to get around the restrictions by hooking up my washer differently, so I control the temp from the water faucet. For that small load of whites? I just wash it twice on Normal, and I have hot water for it. Need a half tub rinse. Run a load with no detergent. I just have to remember to put the faucet back on cold after the tub initially fills for any load I do. Yeah. I shouldn't have to do this, but it is what it is. It's a great washer if one is willing to do these extra steps. I hope the newer model of this is only overriding the Normal. The temperature control for the deep water washes didn't seem to be restricted on my older model. In fact the auto temp control is nice because it adjusts for seasons using more warm water in winter and less in summer where incoming water is cooloer or hotter--this is for deep water washes only. It seemed to use tap hot for hot. I even tested mine above the recommended 120 installer per manufacturer's instructions. It is only that normal cycle, which I used a lot, why I had to hook the hoses up different.
Honestly. I am sure there were good intentions behind these water-saving requirements, but they weren't well thought out or actually researched. Really. They should have had someone that actually uses these explore these options before making them mandatory. Without work arounds, they may require more water (that small load of whites where the only half load is cold only), running the load again (not enough water or wash time), smaller loads so there is enough water (more electricity), more chemicals (to compensate for lack of water temp or less wash time), etc. The biggest glaring reminder of these is all the yard ornaments I see on porches, yards, etc. They only last a few years now IF you are lucky and use them carefully. They wind up in landfills and not recycled because they are too expensive to repair (labor and parts) for most. They took a situation and made it worse!
If I had gotten another front load, I would have looked at the LG turbo or there is a GE that my daughter really likes too.
npolite
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@pinkpower4
Normal Eco is indeed the over-ride setting. However some people as well as @agiflow have stated that it does this on other cycles. What is the point then of having the water level selector, to fool dumb consumer into thinking they have control?
I ordered an LG front loader WM5500 and am disappointed at the water usage. It is significantly less over a top loader and IMO it looks like the clothes are barely wet. It keeps taking in some water and then draining it. I think I will take my chance with the GE and hopefully the water selector actually works. I will first try to repair my direct drive and hope everything is fixed with the new transmission and bearings.
I am certain these issues are coming from the California regulations. The manufactures are not going to create different machines for the rest of the country and we all have to suffer for the yahoos in CA. I am not saying to conserve water but when your clothing has to to have so much perfume in the soap to mask the BO, there is a problem.
Normal Eco is indeed the over-ride setting. However some people as well as @agiflow have stated that it does this on other cycles. What is the point then of having the water level selector, to fool dumb consumer into thinking they have control?
I ordered an LG front loader WM5500 and am disappointed at the water usage. It is significantly less over a top loader and IMO it looks like the clothes are barely wet. It keeps taking in some water and then draining it. I think I will take my chance with the GE and hopefully the water selector actually works. I will first try to repair my direct drive and hope everything is fixed with the new transmission and bearings.
I am certain these issues are coming from the California regulations. The manufactures are not going to create different machines for the rest of the country and we all have to suffer for the yahoos in CA. I am not saying to conserve water but when your clothing has to to have so much perfume in the soap to mask the BO, there is a problem.
I wish there were!
Why the heck are these people lying to us?
New dishwashers are stupid crap! They're just toys!
npolite
Member
I'm sorry but is it just the normal mode that does this? I know it has the Eco mode for normal. I may have mis-understood you.
Does the mixed cycle do this? I understood that it was just the normal (eco) mode that over-rides the water level selection.
The manual says that only normal water level is adaptive
cfz2882
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#32,My 18" Danby is a toy dishwasher-but it washes dishes pretty good 
My '84 Maytag belt drive is a REAL dishwasher...
My '84 Maytag belt drive is a REAL dishwasher...whirlpool862
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Some of the newer GE’s also seem to get into the constant drain cycle, tho it’s less common.
whirlpool862
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The older ones were okay I was referring to the stuff Whirlpool is manufacturing right now. Also, is it the commercial or a regular model? Of course some of the newer Kenmore and Crosley models are also constantly draining if it’s a 2023 or 2024 as some of these were from Whirlpool too. Any six-light VMW from 2023 through 2024 will have this massive control board issue.
What about the 2025 models?
pierreandreply4
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i have a maytag mvw6230hw2 to have a decent wash i need to use the deep fill wash to have a decent amount of water so the detergent enters the clothes fiber for a good wash sorry for my small rant here but the only thing that ticks me off washer decide no matter if warm or hot or that it do the clean cycle with afresh to send in cold water to be able to use hot water i need to unplug the washer to reset the controls for 1 minute sometime 5 minutes then press 5 second on the power button
You've got to be kidding. They're doing it too now? I was considering on getting a new machine as I just sold three machines that I had. Right now it looks like the GE agitator washers are the best of a bad bunch...remember I said looks, not fact.
Recently brought home a 2023 set of WP TOL top load washer and (electric) dryer. The washer had a broken impeller, the collar that holds the all-but-useless spiral-shaped removable 'agitator' had broken when a stiff door-mat was washed. Rather than waiting for repair, parts, etc. the owners decided to replace the set with the exact same set. I had the part at my door in a few days, fixed and cleaned both machines a few weeks ago. I pulled the washer basket out and was pleasantly surprised that it was quite clean. Just a quick wash of the outer tub with a brush and a light scrub of the outside of the basket and we were good to go.
Have been using it for (most) of the weekly washing now for several weeks. I'm still exploring all of the cycles and options but have to say it's a pretty decent performing washer overall. You can get it to fill up to about 3/4 full, a very ample amount of water for a really large load. It will wash effectively about twice what my 1969 Whirlpool Mark XII will do.
I will use it until I'm bored, which probably won't take long. It really is a much thirstier washer than my 2017 Speed Queen front-loader it's holding a space for - bordering on obscene, really.
Have been using it for (most) of the weekly washing now for several weeks. I'm still exploring all of the cycles and options but have to say it's a pretty decent performing washer overall. You can get it to fill up to about 3/4 full, a very ample amount of water for a really large load. It will wash effectively about twice what my 1969 Whirlpool Mark XII will do.
I will use it until I'm bored, which probably won't take long. It really is a much thirstier washer than my 2017 Speed Queen front-loader it's holding a space for - bordering on obscene, really.
