Why do all newer transmission made Speed Queens low speed spin drain after main wash?

[maytaga806]

I’ve been wondering this for a long time, the old 90s models never did this they always used high speed drain unless it had a delicate setting, and all these new ones do a low speed drain until the final drain and spin which is high speed. Why is that? It takes forever to get going on low speed, let alone get all the water extracted? Wouldn’t it make much more sense to clear the tub as fast as possible while extracting the fabrics as much as possible before the rinse cycle? Makes zero sense at all, was this just for another ridiculous energy regulation maybe? It’s just not logical at all, especially when it does it on every single cycle. Low speed does not assist with heavy large loads which is mostly what people are using these machines for.

 

[maytaga806]

And for another thing I left put, you can’t even let the machine fill without having the lid shut. Is speed Queen worried about someone’s hand or arm getting chopped off by a water stream? They seem extremely paranoid suddenly. Glad it’s an easy switch to bypass, but what the heck? These two strange behaviors don’t add up.

 

[mrsalvo]

I heard it spins slower so as not to set wrinkles in on Permanent Press fabrics.
Frustrating on a load of towels or jeans. At least there’s a short spin rinse that helps.

Barry

 

[qsd-dan]

The models before the TC5 did a spray rinse at full speeds.

 

[brisnat81]

The less water extracted, the less water needs to be added to the rinse, which doesn’t help rinsing performance, but does reduce water consumption.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

low speed spin after main wash

I think that's stupid. We are not washing permanent press, which would make more sense. If it's on heavy duty, it should spin at fast speed through and through both after main wash and during final spin.

 

[mrboilwash]

That`s certainly not a first time stupid thing.
Remember their grey water rinse? Wash water only drained partially then was topped up with fresh water and FS then followed by a spray rinse.
You`d think everybody in the appliance and detergent industry is a aware of the fact that detergent and FS don`t mix well.
Well, apparently everyone but the genius engineers at Speed Queen.

 

[angus]

I have the AWN432 Model and that particular issue, along with the ridiculous low level full fill (only comes up to the bottom of the third row of holes from the top) are the most frustrating things. First, your cycle choices are few and the only two that offer regular agitation speed are the "eco cycle" which fills with cold water regardless of the wash temp selected and offers only a spin rinse (again on slow speed with several spray rinses) finishing with a normal speed spin, or the alleged "Heavy Duty/Perm Press cycle that does the slow first spin. I don't understand how "Heavy Duty and "Perm Press" have anything at all to do with each other so combining the cycles is ridiculous. Particularly annoying on towels - they just don't rinse properly. If they were going to offer just a slow first spin then there should be a longer spray rinse or more than one spray rinse and perhaps a longer first spin. So what I have been doing is stopping the machine after the first spin and manually going over to the final spin to get more extraction. Then I reset for the regular rinse. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me just to satisfy the government requirements.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

heavy duty and permanent press

They should've had heavy duty and permanent press separate from each other. It would've made more sence for permanent press and delicate to be combined.

 

[ryner1988]

Reply #7

Angus, I had the opportunity to purchase a used AWN432 washer a couple months ago when my old machine died, and the issues you describe are a major reason I hesitated and ended up going with a whirlpool direct drive instead. I'd heard about the frustratingly low fill level on extra large, and I almost always wash full loads. The AWN and the DD I purchased both have 3.2 cubic feet capacity, but the DD fills all the way so I figured I would not have to decrease my load size to match but I thought I might have to do this with the 2017 SQ. I know there's a way to fix this with a screw in the back of the machine, I just didn't want to risk messing something up.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the deep wash on the TC5 actually does fill all the way up to the top. I would probably own that machine if it wasn't so expensive.

 

[qsd-dan]

ridiculous low level full fill

You can easily adjust the water level. Here's a YouTube clip on the adjustment. I would recommend unplugging the washer before each adjustment. The wires to the pressure switch are live. One slip and you'll be electrocuted.

 

[mrsalvo]

I own the 432 also. To get better performance on large loads or high sudsing detergents, esp on towels and jeans, I hit the reset fill knob to manually fill up the tub to above the top row of the holes in the tub. (I have learned the hard way, washing a very full load without that extra water I get small pin holes in the clothes, and very rough on towels.) Then let it wash and spin. When it advances to the rinse cycle I again manually fill it all the way up and turn the timer knob to normal eco cycle, this gives a longer deep rinse and a few spray rinses afterwards. I will do this EVERY time on a large load. I have to watch sudsing of detergents, having to run 3 full rinses is expensive, that would be nearly 100 gallons of water, plus I have sensitive skin.
It can use an insane amount of water to get all the soap out.

Usually, I just fill the tub with clothes no higher than the top hole in the agitator, that is considered a full load (and that would be considered a small or medium load anyone using any other modern washer) and then let it wash regular cycle, again watching carefully the detergents.

Sorry for the long post, but I can relate what you’re going through,

Barry

 

[gelaundry4ever]

low speed spin on heavy duty

It makes me angry why anybody would use low speed spin on the heavy duty cycle. What was Speed Queen thinking? Do they think we're stupid? I wish there was a way I could disable the low speed spin on heavy duty so it will extract all the wash water out!

 

[volsboy1]

That's odd you bringing it up about somebody getting there arm ripped off by a washer, I have a friend who had that very thing happen to him.I don't know what he was thinking he tried to slow it down spinning and a wet towel wrapped around his arm and ripped it off at the shoulder. It ripped off his arm so fast he didn't realize what happened until it was to late. They could not reattach it this was in the 80s.

That's the strange thing though,I did not feel much pain at all  either until I woke up from surgery and my leg was gone.Worse pain in my life ,baseball bat to the shin is what it felt like.

 

[Chetlaham]

Permanet Press and Delicate Combined

I agree in full!

I've come to the conclusion most users assume PP is a cycle that offers a less intensive wash action for casual items. And not 10 minutes of normal agitation. So if anything, PP belongs on the delicate cycle.

GE in the mid 2000s got it right IMO. They dropped the words "Permanent Press" from the control panel and changed the cycle name to "casuals". Casuals either had low speed agitation or intermittent agitation followed by normal high speed spins.

The tech tech sheets still calls this cycle "permanent press" but it does not have any of the typical characteristics found in a permanent press cycle.

One speed models also call the delicate cycle "colors" while two speed models call this cycle "gentle" or delicate"

GE cycles have always made more sense, and I've always been under the opinion that all other washers manufacturers should have taken this approach.

 

[combo52]

Low Speed First Spin Of SQ Transmission Models

This is done to reduce wrinkling if clothing was washed in hot or warm water and to reduce foam from backing up out of the drain standpipe in some homes.

 

This really does not make any real performance difference, you are only talking about leaving about one cup more water in a load going into the rinse cycle.

 

The machine is still spinning faster than a WP belt drive ever spun in this first spin.

 

It is funny the things us washer guys worry about but we have never had any complainant about this from a customer and in fact one of the comments I get about the TC-5s from customers is how well rinsed the clothes seem.

 

All that said and even though I have been involved in the sale and servicing of well over a thousand of these washers I would not have one in my home or ANY NEW TL Washer built today.

 

If I can't have a vintage TL washer with a Suds-Saver A modern FL machine just does so much better job.

 

John L.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

older speed queens

Older speed queens always did high speed spin during heavy duty. They should've combined normal and heavy duty together. I believe it was the 2014 and older ones that always spun at high speeds. I've NEVER had any foam back out of my standpipe.

 

[adam-aussie-vac]

What I think would be really awesome

Is that today’s machines would have built in sud savers Just like the older machines used to, and it’s not like everybody’s laundry sink is used for something these days, in my household it’s only used as basically a shelf to put the detergent in, and plus wouldn’t a machine with sad saver save the same amount of water as what a nonsense saving machine use?

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Suds/foam

My bet is on the suds and foam issue at the standpipe that seems to be fairly common in these machines. If it were purely for water efficiency, I doubt they would use it on the Heavy Duty cycle as well.
Could be wrong though.