Why do all newer transmission made Speed Queens low speed spin drain after main wash?

[combo52]

Low speed, initial spin

Speed Queen chose to do this to reduce wrinkling since there’s no dedicated permanent press cycle anymore, it also reduces foaming back up out of stand pipes, which was a real problem for Speed Queen because they use a cheap motor driven pump instead of using electric pump and do the draining first like they do on the same unit sold in many other countries.

Spraying water in while there’s still water in the tub acts again as a suds suppressor and cools the fabric slightly, which again helps the extraction process leading into the deep rinse.

No system is perfect. All decisions are a compromise in life. Speed Queen is doing the best they can. If you don’t like it don’t buy it if you’re really serious about laundry, you’d buy a front loading washer anyway.

John

 

[Chetlaham]

The premature spray began at least in the 2009 AWN timer models all of which had a dedicated PP cycle. In some machines it was more pronounced than others since AWN311, AWN412, AWN432 and AWN42 all varying timer increments per second. (I'll post pics)

 

 

Spraying 1.25 gallons of water on top of 10 gallons isn't going to do much cooling. Or knock down many suds. 

 

The front load washer you advocate for have no heater making them pointless half the time.

 

There is compromise, and then there is being just flat out wrong.

 

[Chetlaham]

Timer Increments and Sprays

Here are the original cycle diagrams from a 1998 Amana service manual depicting the same Amanas that would become the AWN series in latter years. Except for the addition of the motor start capacitor and the AWN542 being changed out from a 3 speed to a 2 speed motor the cycles, timers, and wiring are all identical.

 

"B" is the closing of the spray rinse contact. Note position in the cycle schematic.  

 

 

Future AWN311, 1 minute 30 second timer increments:

 

 

 

Future AWN412, 2 minute timer increments:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Future AWN432, 3 minute timer increments:

 

 

 

Future AWN542, 3 minute timer increments:

 

 

 

 

If we take a look at the listed cycle timing in the service manual the intent is the same- as to start the spray <span style="text-decoration: underline;">AFTER</span> the first spin increment is complete.

 

 

Future AWN 412:

 

 

 

 

 

Future AWN542:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Amanas original intent was spelled out clearly, have the spray rinse begin more than 2 to 3 minutes after the tub started draining by then where all the water would have left the machine.

 

Alliance Speed Queen decided to shift the spray to the first timer increment covertly behind company doors, and have it start about 1 minute into the first increment which was NEVER the original intent of Amana or Raytheon. This timer engineering was completely unnecessary and counter productive. If everyone was like me, Alliance would be sending customers new timers with the spray starting where intended.

 

The PP argument is bogus, because while starting the spray at 1 minute works half way on high speed, at low speed the tub is still half full of water. Nothing is accomplished.

 

 

This was a workplace mistake, and I am angry LOL. 

 

 

 

[this post was last edited: 7/21/2024-13:45]

 

[Chetlaham]

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[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

You are not imagining anything. The stupid low speed spin during the first spin along with the early spray rinse with water still in the tub on the normal cycle gets to me.
What the heck were thinking? Why didn't Speed Queen inform the public in their tech sheets? I'd perfer both spins to be at full speed, and the spray rinse going with the tub at full speed during the first spin before deep rinse. I also use heavy soil for everything just so I can have a real deep rinse like I said.

 

[Chetlaham]

Its interesting, the tech sheets saw minimal updating, they didn't even bother to move the motor reversing contacts to the correct place when they added the cap, but exerted so much effort to ruin what Raytheon got right. As I've said before, its not what they think, its that they don't think.

 

[kalanikaau1]

Re: reply #66

I stand corrected on my SQ's spin speed as I stated.

After re-consulting the timer matrix on my machine (LWN432SP115TW01) slow speed spin only occurs after the initial wash event, with spray rinse occurring 2 minutes thereafter.

After the initial rinse event has completed, the unit spins @ high speed, even if the extra rinse option is selected.

Some have questioned why Alliance Industries lopped the heavy-duty/permanent cycle into one, my guess is that the feds require any cycle named "Normal" must meet their standards for energy and water conservation, hence the rinse function being accomplished my merely injecting water as the machine is spinning after the wash event as the "normal/eco" cycle dictates.

I've instructed my family not to use this cycle as some are sensitive to detergent residue.

I can understand how and why drain standpipe overflow may be an issue for some, however my washer drains into a laundry tray, making that issue moot for me.

 

[Chetlaham]

Can you email me or upload pics of your LWN432SP115TW01 to IMGUR and link here? I'm curious about your machine.


 

 

My Speed Queen drains into a wall standpipe, I even cut off the restrictor on the drain hose and the only time I had a bit of foam was when I severely overdosed on sudsy detergent requiring several extra rinses. Other than that I've never had a problem. Foaming is not an issue with correct dosing or even when a over do it moderately. Perhaps people are having plumbing or detergent dosing issues and not washer issues.  

 

[gelaundry4ever]

heavy duty

It even does that low speed first and early spray rinse on heavy duty. What the heck? Speed Queen Laundry claimed that the first speed spin on heavy duty is at high. I disagree.

 

[kalanikaau1]

Reply# 87

You are correct, the spin after the main wash is done at low speed when the PP/HD cycle is selected.

It isn't until the final rinse when the spin is done at high speed, whether or not an extra rinse is selected.

I fail to understand why an initial low speed spin would be an issue for some, when in the end, the machine will spin at high speed anyway.

 

[Chetlaham]

Lower spin speed means less water extraction resulting in more soap residue carry-over into the rinse water causing poorer rinsing results overall. Whirlpool's Resource Saver washer actually defaulted to high speed spin during the spray/rinse/recirculate mode whereas Speed Queen uses a low speed spin even in eco spray rinse.

 

 

 

 

[maytaga806]

Reply 81

Some people wonder why this has changed suddenly after decades of using hi speed first spins. If it wasn’t for the low speed spin, people wouldn’t complain about the spray rinse being too early. With a hi speed first spin, the tub would clear before the spray rinse comes or just about. But the heavier the load the longer it takes for them to reach the highest speed of the first spin cycle which is why it would make more sense to use a HI speed, plus as mentioned above it doesn’t do the best of water extraction leaving more detergent over for the rinse cycle. And another thing, it’s a LONG spin cycle, at least five minutes. Longest spin cycle I’ve ever encountered for a first spin on a old fashioned top loader but that’s just me. Had it been programmed to HI you could knock that five minutes in half, like the older Speed Queens from the 90s and 2000s unless I’m mistaken and they were five minutes as well.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to maytaga806

I know what you mean. I thought the normal cycle was supposed to have a first spin at high as well as the final. And, the spray rinse before deep rinse was supposed to be done when the tub was at full speed. It started happening back in 2015.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

kalanikaau1

What about on models with a separate heavy duty and permanent press cycle?