Why does everyone think Kenmore is so great?

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OK,what's the scoop on Kenmore? Aren't they overly common? I mean,some of the early ones are just beautiful, but as they went into the 70s,especially with the advent of the Dual Action agitator-a highly effective but boring design-methinks they became a dime a dozen by then.Thoughts?
 
Cruel Action Agrivator

As I do prefer a direct drive trans over the old belt drive,I see no reason for any of the companies who severly shortened the agitator stroke to speed up the clothes turn over to have done that without slowing down the speed of agitation.I lost many T-shirts,dress slacks,casual jeans,bath towels and dress shirts from taring caused by them.I soke to a club member a while back on the phone who said that the Maytag Hellical drives tore their clothes.I have never had any Maytag top loading washer tare any of my clothes.In fact,no other top loader ever tore any of my wash.
 
Yes I agree,when the DA agitator went up to 180 choppy SPMs,they DEFINITELY became WAY TOO HARSH. Turning the speed down to 120 makes for a more gentle wash action, but then the cleaning is compromised. Only the belt drive Dual Actions are worthy. They are boring though compared to the Roto Swirl and other fun agitators from beforehand.
 
Going to Sears was like a religion, it seemed like (when one was about 10), that they had 100 models on the floor. Many running with streamers or towels. In the 60's if you could con your parents into listening to the salesmans lecture, you went home with a plastic detergent cup complete with the kenmore logo, in a box. Sears was better in my memory than any other retailer for big posters and working displays of their washers and dryers. If you went with a color other than white, you would probably be loyal to sears, to get an exact match in color and shading. When the repair guy said a Kenmore could no longer be fixed, you could bring the DOA repair bill to Sears and get that amount subtracted from the purchase price of a new one before adding the balance to your Sears revolving charge. It was incredible customer service, and marketing. Not like taking a sku# number to the checkout. I like the thread on here about the 1975 Kenmore, soon after that they went to the black panel machine with the DA, that for the most part was the end of the chrome and lights, and metal thicker than a coke can. The electronic machines in Darth Vader black as "Time" magazine called them had lights and chrome. Whirlpool/Kenmore must have one surviving "Board Member",still demanding a porcelain basket. Is there anyone else still with porcelain? alr2903
 
Kenmore Had Its Advantages

I would suspect the big reason Kenmore appliances sold well were Sears' reputation for quality, the availability of parts and service, and more importantly, Sears revolving credit. My parents had a Sears card, so for the most part, most of our major household purchases came from Sears--including our Kenmore washer and dryer.
When our early 60's Kenmore washer was working, it was great. But it seemed to need more repair calls than normal. It was replaced with another, more austere Kenmore--and that machine was just fine, doing its job without complaint from the washer or yours truly (who did the family wash every week).
I did love the Roto Swirl agitator, the plastic cup on the agitator cap, the bleach/softener dispensers and the push buttons for different cycles. If only it didn't break down so much....!
 
I just love my 1960 and 1961 Kenmore's. Beautiful, colorful machines with great features. Mine have been extremely reliable and efficient. I believe the Roto-Swirl agitator was one of if not the finest agitator made.
 
Delmer---I grew up with a 1960 Kenmore (Model 80) and loved the agitation sounds. Those old fatty Roto-Swirls were great. If I turned the agitator so the 'K' on the scrubber cap aligned, roughly, with 11-and-5 on a clock, the 'K' would be straight up at the end of the clockwise stroke once agitation started.

And the waterfall recirculating filters were awesome, as were the tub lights.

Mrcleanjeans: Might I suggest this for the next in your series:

"Why Does Everyone Think WCI/Franklin Machines Are So Great?"

C'mon....I double-dog dare you.
 
Sears was really a cultural phenomenon in the 50s and 60s. They made some brilliant assumptions about the suburbanization of America in the late 40s (as contrasted with Wards and Penneys) which let them get "out in front" just enough of the wave of suburbanization.

That wave of suburbanization coincided with the need to stuff the new houses full of goods, again, available with easy payment terms (one bill---what a concept) from your local Sears store or from the catalogue. Remember, there was no national credit system or credit cards in those days...credit was a very local decision...but you could take your Sears charge plate to any store nationwide and buy.

For the mobility of the upwardly moving junior executive, what could be easier than visiting the local Sears store in the new city, and find everything just about where it was before you left. No risk in trying to get a, say, Wizard washing machine serviced in Bangor, Maine when you ended up there on your next posting...

Wards was 10 years behind Sears (and in worse shape at that 10 year point) and Penney's was 12 years behind (but in better shape than Wards...and you can see how that turned out).

Sears was in nearly every shopping center built in the second half of the 50s (interestingly, they didn't play in some of the early suburban malls...Southdale in Edina, MN and Northland in Southfield, MI went in in 1952-1954 without Sears) and was able to lock out Wards until well into the 70s from those Class A malls

An interesting case was in Overland Park, KS where Sears went into Metcalf South (95th and Metcalf...ground central of 1960s suburbia) in roughly 1961, but that mall was eclipsed in 1973 or so with the building of Oak Park Mall about 4 miles away which ended up with Wards....this was an unusual situation where Sears ended up in what was in the Class B mall and Wards was in the Class A mall.

They actually had industrial designers and labs working for them...hence some of the interesting innovations which they used their market power to place into the market (Dual Action Agitator is one case, Toughskins jeans would be another...no one in the kids clothes marketplace could get their minds around adding some nylon to normal denim to make it tougher...all the other players (Levi's...Lee...Wrangler..) in the market had too much invested in the normal 100% cotton denim process and positioning.

Finally, it all boiled down to...anyone could shop at Sears without apology. Just like the traditional IBM mantra (you never get fired for recommending IBM), you were never out-of-line shopping at Sears. You wouldn't be fashionable, but the shopper wouldn't be laughed at either.

We've got a similar thing going on here in the Great Lakes areas with mass merchants...here in Detroit we've got Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target and a local chain, Meijer. The only 2 of these where you can shop without apology are Target and Meijer, and Meijer has the benefit of having everything (they originated the supercenter with food and hardlines back in the 60s). Wal-Mart, well, is just tasteless/declasse, and K-Mart around here at least has the benefit of formerly being headquartered here, so has the dual benefits of familiarity and proximity (there are still lots of them around, and we've got several Super K-Marts as well). We don't have SuperTarget (and, in my experience in Atlanta, they don't do a very good/comprehensive job with food...about all they have unique are some interesting processed frozen prepared meals...their food sections remind me of Trader Joe's). Meijer has terrific food (they started out as a supermarket) and they take the place Wal-Mart has in smaller midwestern towns (you see everyone there).
 
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Plus they were affordable, and did everything any other machine could do.

Besides, they had all those lights....<;

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BECAUSE!!!!!

MUCH more bang for your buck, not only were they very reliable...they had features some of the others could only dream of!!! plus they washed better than most, MUCH better than some, they were quiet, did not tend to get out of balance nearly as bad as a lot of the older machines...need I go on??
 
Mrcleanjeans - Why does a machine have to satisfy you on the 'boring factor' before it earns your greatness stamp? While it is true that the 70s and 80s Kenmores most often did not have the glamour and glitz of their 60s brethren, they were still mechanically nearly identical and in some ways better. They made the same great sounds, they were fairly easy to work on by a decent tech, and you could get a match to an older machine for many years without having to buy a whole set.

The measure of a great machine in my opinion encompasses things such as consumer acceptance, mechanical reliability, and the ability to perform the intended task - all of which the Whirlpool/Kenmore machines excel at. Consumer soaked up Kenmores at a rate unmatched for decades surely due to Sears' marketing initially, but by the 80s we had plenty of other competent choices, yet Kenmore continued to sell as top dog.

Belt drive machines served 20-30 years very commonly, and they always managed to return a clean load of laundry, operator error not-withstanding. Those of use who grew up with less-glitzy Kenmores still managed to find coolness in the machines and to establish a life-long hobby due to them, which puts me anyway, here writing. I would say the same for the GE and Maytag designs of the same period.

Gordon
 
KenMORE does more

I think all belt drive Kenmores are great. I love Rick's sets, especially his minty-green 50s machines. It's just that the black panelled ones from the mid 70s on are SO VERY VERY common.I'm from Milwaukee and saw them everywhere. The rarer and more different machines thus are more intriguing. Most any Kenmore from the 50s-early 70s are the ones that I adore.
 
Kenmore seems to be a brand name everyone knows. Sears has and still does pack lots of useful features into its appliances and makes sure they are engineered to high standards for durability and reliability. This gives Kenmore appliances value in the eyes of the consumer and since they are made by reputable and long-standing manufacturers like General Electric and Frigidaire for stoves and Whirlpool for laundry equipment, refrigerators, and dishwashers, they aren't a repairman's nightmare if they do require service.

Unfortunately, Sears' reputation is on the decline, especially since the Kmart acquisition. Many people I talk to just aren't impressed with Sears anymore because of inconsistent quality, poor customer service, and repair hassles. In fact, the Kenmore 500 series top-load washer I bought in March is sitting in my garage up for sale because it is just not the machine I expected when it was purchased. I'll take a loss on it, no doubt, but I bought a last-year's model Whirlpool last Wednesday with similar features and cycles but with a true two-speed motor, an automatic tempeture control that operates smoothly, and a liquid-filled tub balance ring. It works beautifully and I hope it lasts a long time.

Can someone tell me what a good asking price would be for the Kenmore? It still has six months left on the warranty. Thanks!
 
When I was growing up I would would spend weekends with a friend who lived out in the country. His mom had either a bol or mol Kenmore washer. Water temp was controlled by the cycle time. If I remember correctly 14 was hot, 10 was warm, and 8 was cold or something close to that.

That washer was in constant use washing jeans and heavy work clothes. The only problems they had with it was an occasional belt broke and had problems with the water inlet valve due to the hard well water. I had a shredmore in the early 90's I washed my jeans, towels, sheets, and blankets with the fast agitation. Shirts and dress pants were washed with the slower agitation. It was the next model down from the electronic model. It was the first Kenmore I had ever owned.
 
I have no use for the DD's but I love my '62 model 70.

I like the BD 'Kenmos because when equipped with the original Whirly/Kenmo Straight-Vane agitator they are BRUTES!
Just like the Maytags, there were millions of farm wives who were delighted to have one to tackle those loads of dirty unionalls and coveralls.

The Roto-Swirl is classic, but not as aggressive.
It is good for washing less-sturdy fabrics and the BD's slower spin speed does not set wrinkles in light fabrics.

I do not like the neutral-drain for greasy clothes and prefer machines with a solid-tub and an overflow rinse instead. I always feel like the grease is being deposited right back on top of the clothes as the water drains out.

No collection could be complete without one.
 

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