Why I dislike detergent pods - stuck in Miele door seal!
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nickuk
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My favourite part actually comes after this - it's when the pod starts to break up, and one observes it slip right inside the door seal in a sticky mess. To add insult to injury it will normally sit right there for the remainder of the wash only to be dispersed on a high level rinse.
What a wonderful advancement in technology they are ;-)
What a wonderful advancement in technology they are ;-)
That's assuming you have a high rinse level. It could just as easily stay there until the end of the cycle.
Luckily that W1 is set to do deep rinses so it should have gone somewhere.
You'd wonder though, how many are actually getting dispersed in the rinse cycles where people just don't notice. Most people don't pay much attention to their washing machine once it's started.
Luckily that W1 is set to do deep rinses so it should have gone somewhere.
You'd wonder though, how many are actually getting dispersed in the rinse cycles where people just don't notice. Most people don't pay much attention to their washing machine once it's started.
hoover8pulse
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I've never had a problem with pods doing this, a few times I have had clothes with undissolved pod on them but that was when I used a quick wash cycle.
jerrod6
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This happened one time with me in an older Miele 1986 which was using the water plus option in the wash. I had to open the door and manually flick the pod back into the tub.
Because of this and the fact that one pod is too much for a smaller load, and for me the Tide pods smell awful, I am finished with trying a pod in my washer.
Done with it.
Because of this and the fact that one pod is too much for a smaller load, and for me the Tide pods smell awful, I am finished with trying a pod in my washer.
Done with it.
launderess
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No problems here
Pods are supposed to be placed into the machine before laundry. Thus as the tub fills contact with water should cause the film to begin dissolving. The rest if needed would come with the first few tumbles of the drum.
In either my high water use Miele or rather stingy Oko-Lavamat have not had a problem with pods not dissolving and or becoming lodged in the boot/door. Gel detergents placed in cap dispensing devices OTOH are another story.
Pods are supposed to be placed into the machine before laundry. Thus as the tub fills contact with water should cause the film to begin dissolving. The rest if needed would come with the first few tumbles of the drum.
In either my high water use Miele or rather stingy Oko-Lavamat have not had a problem with pods not dissolving and or becoming lodged in the boot/door. Gel detergents placed in cap dispensing devices OTOH are another story.
hoover8pulse
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As for gels. I used Ariel gel when it was first launched & it was quite good but recently I've noticed newer formulas of it recommend using it at 30c as opposed to 15c.
launderess
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Not so much the performance
Of our French "Ariel Excel Alpine Fresh", but the fact in very low water machine like the AEG it takes ages to flush out detergent from that dispenser cup.
Of our French "Ariel Excel Alpine Fresh", but the fact in very low water machine like the AEG it takes ages to flush out detergent from that dispenser cup.
not a big fan of them, but they do work......noted, that one pod is for a medium size load...same goes for noted loads per bottle with liquids, again, not everyone reads the instructions....
noticed they break open quicker under HOT water.....cooler to cold temps take a little longer...for those times, its best to dissolve in a glass of hot water, then add to the machine...
sometimes you have to adapt to what your working with....
noticed they break open quicker under HOT water.....cooler to cold temps take a little longer...for those times, its best to dissolve in a glass of hot water, then add to the machine...
sometimes you have to adapt to what your working with....
I've been using pods (various brands) for months, and this happened only twice. The tumbling clothes bumped it back into the tub after a minute or two on both occasions. It seems to happen more frequently on machines with a wider space at the boot; maybe I'm just lucky. I always put the pod at the back of the tub, then add clothes. This "stuck in the boot" scenario is a common complaint about the format in user reviews.
At any rate, the longer I use pods, the more I like them...which is a good thing, as I have about 300 of the poisonous little packets in my detergent cupboard.
I'll use up and not replace some brands (Arm & Hammer; Dynamo; Gain; Kirkland Signature (Costco); Oxi-Clean; Purex
and keep my three favorites: Tide Ocean Mist Scent; Wisk Deep Clean; All with Oxi. Oh, and Nellie's. I use Nellie's for bath linens. Leaves no scent whatsoever rinses out completely, even in very soft water.
The Kirkland Signature pods clean well, but I'm not crazy about the scent. The other brands are middle-of-the-pack cleaners. Tide Ocean Mist Scent is heavenly.
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At any rate, the longer I use pods, the more I like them...which is a good thing, as I have about 300 of the poisonous little packets in my detergent cupboard.
I'll use up and not replace some brands (Arm & Hammer; Dynamo; Gain; Kirkland Signature (Costco); Oxi-Clean; Purex
and keep my three favorites: Tide Ocean Mist Scent; Wisk Deep Clean; All with Oxi. Oh, and Nellie's. I use Nellie's for bath linens. Leaves no scent whatsoever rinses out completely, even in very soft water.The Kirkland Signature pods clean well, but I'm not crazy about the scent. The other brands are middle-of-the-pack cleaners. Tide Ocean Mist Scent is heavenly.
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Alright Frig, seek help!
I know you dig pods, but 300 of them at one time?
I see eerie parallels to IOTBS here........IIRC there were "hundreds" of those things in a truck heading out of Santa Mira!
I dig A&H (best bang for the buck and it is low sudsing now) but by gosh, I don't have jugs and jugs of the stuff around!
SITYS..........................I tried......really I did.
I know you dig pods, but 300 of them at one time?
I see eerie parallels to IOTBS here........IIRC there were "hundreds" of those things in a truck heading out of Santa Mira!
I dig A&H (best bang for the buck and it is low sudsing now) but by gosh, I don't have jugs and jugs of the stuff around!
SITYS..........................I tried......really I did.
I bought a bag or two of every brand I could find just to check them out and before long there were hundreds of them! Safe to say I can cross detergent off the monthly budget for a couple of years, LOL.[this post was last edited: 10/19/2014-19:09]
That was a small load and the Miele threw the pod up from the bottom of the load while it was doing a fill and tumble. For a couple of seconds the drum is dry tumbling. Because it was a light load the pod just got bounced into the door area
arbilab
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The only things I have 300 of at a time are cans of beer and sheets of toiletpaper. Why 300 beers when I only drink 3 a day? The price rollercoasters from $18 to $27. I'm not about to pay half again for the same stuff so I stock up when it's on sale. Gotta wonder who buys it when it's elevated.
Oh but we were talking about pods. Seen their carcasses adhered to the drum of the coinops downstairs. Never in 60 years have I just chunked stuff into a washer and walked away expecting everything will be dandy. My bad, I'm just not average enough for marketing miracles to work for me. I mean, liquid comes with a measure top and powder comes with a measure scoop, how much more convenient does it have to get?
Oh but we were talking about pods. Seen their carcasses adhered to the drum of the coinops downstairs. Never in 60 years have I just chunked stuff into a washer and walked away expecting everything will be dandy. My bad, I'm just not average enough for marketing miracles to work for me. I mean, liquid comes with a measure top and powder comes with a measure scoop, how much more convenient does it have to get?
magic_clean
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A work around
for this is to place the pod in a mesh laundry bag or in a nylon knee high stocking......An extra step but it works!
for this is to place the pod in a mesh laundry bag or in a nylon knee high stocking......An extra step but it works!
Pods finding their way into the door boot while the first few tumbles seems to be a common problem. Had the same s**t happen just about every other wash. I think my incoming cold water is just too cold to get them dissolved quickly enough.
My "first aid" remedy was to put them into a sock or sleeve or similar. Works well, but lessens the convinience factor.
Also to get perfect results I had to use two pods for a full 5 kg load in hard water which makes the them very expensive compared to liquid detergent.
Unfortunately one pod is only enough for rather small loads in my particular laundry conditions, so I went back normal detergent.
My "first aid" remedy was to put them into a sock or sleeve or similar. Works well, but lessens the convinience factor.
Also to get perfect results I had to use two pods for a full 5 kg load in hard water which makes the them very expensive compared to liquid detergent.
Unfortunately one pod is only enough for rather small loads in my particular laundry conditions, so I went back normal detergent.
I don't think it's the water temperature. The machine lodged the pod on the door seal before the water had even really gotten a chance to enter the drum.
I think the machines are designed to their solid items onto the door boot. That's where buttons and other lost items usually end up.
I think the machines are designed to their solid items onto the door boot. That's where buttons and other lost items usually end up.
Many washers do initial tumbles to sense the load size - or as a child safety routine like Whirlpool's US washers. In that case, it doesn't really seem to matter where you put the pod because it will end up somewhere else before the water even comes on. I haven't had a problem with pods getting stuck; then again, my washer has a tilted drum.
launderess
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When using pods or gel/liquid detergents in a dispenser cap one always waits until *after* load sensing has begun. Once the machine begins filling with water merely press the "door open" button.....
Miele decided in their infinite wisdom that if you open the door on the W1 and add laundry that it will override the load sensing and assume maximum load.
So, you'd be wasting a lot of time and energy if you'd a smaller load and did that.
The way it works on the W1 is as follows:
The door opening button is gone, they have a pull-open door now which has no latching.
When the machine starts an electromechanical door lock snaps shut.
To open the door you have to press the Start/Stop for a couple of seconds. That brings up a menu which gives you the options of "Add Laundry" or "Cancel Programme"
If you select Add Laundry it will release the door.
If you select Cancel Programme it runs the drain pump and then releases the door when it's happy the tub's empty.
Also, after a few mins into the cycle, it removes the 'add laundry' option entirely and will only open the door if you cancel the cycle. The older Mieles were a lot more flexible about door opening.
I'm a bit disappointed by that removal of what was a nice feature in all their previous machines.
So, you'd be wasting a lot of time and energy if you'd a smaller load and did that.
The way it works on the W1 is as follows:
The door opening button is gone, they have a pull-open door now which has no latching.
When the machine starts an electromechanical door lock snaps shut.
To open the door you have to press the Start/Stop for a couple of seconds. That brings up a menu which gives you the options of "Add Laundry" or "Cancel Programme"
If you select Add Laundry it will release the door.
If you select Cancel Programme it runs the drain pump and then releases the door when it's happy the tub's empty.
Also, after a few mins into the cycle, it removes the 'add laundry' option entirely and will only open the door if you cancel the cycle. The older Mieles were a lot more flexible about door opening.
I'm a bit disappointed by that removal of what was a nice feature in all their previous machines.
rolls_rapide
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Horizontal drums are probably more susceptible to the pod landing on the door seal.
I am still inclined to think that a pumped jetsystem machine would dissolve the pod far quicker. I remember in my Zanussi IZ Jetsystem, the sodden laundry would deflect the pumped stream right down the door glass, into the door seal, flushing out lumps of tablet which hadn't yet dissolved.
I am still inclined to think that a pumped jetsystem machine would dissolve the pod far quicker. I remember in my Zanussi IZ Jetsystem, the sodden laundry would deflect the pumped stream right down the door glass, into the door seal, flushing out lumps of tablet which hadn't yet dissolved.
The Miele W1 eventually just snaffled it up and pulled it in.
They've an extremely powerful wash action on the cottons cycles that uses a combination of pretty vigorous variable speed tumbling, regular distribution speed tumbles where the machine also sprays water in from a fairly powerful door seal mounted jet (they've basically made the Miele version of the JetSystem.
They also fill using a door seal jet.
It can take clothes through a full cottons cycle with plenty of high rinses and complete the whole thing in an hour including a 1600 spin.
Yet my clothes aren't being worn out by it and it has actually removed stains like deodorant marks from T shirts that had survived on them on Samsung's long, long cotton washes.
They've an extremely powerful wash action on the cottons cycles that uses a combination of pretty vigorous variable speed tumbling, regular distribution speed tumbles where the machine also sprays water in from a fairly powerful door seal mounted jet (they've basically made the Miele version of the JetSystem.
They also fill using a door seal jet.
It can take clothes through a full cottons cycle with plenty of high rinses and complete the whole thing in an hour including a 1600 spin.
Yet my clothes aren't being worn out by it and it has actually removed stains like deodorant marks from T shirts that had survived on them on Samsung's long, long cotton washes.
hoover8pulse
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How much was the W1, lej?
hoover8pulse
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Im guessing its worth it though?
Asko's
don't have a bellows seal so I don't have to worry about it. I usually place it on the top and towards the back of the laundry in the machine when I use one.
don't have a bellows seal so I don't have to worry about it. I usually place it on the top and towards the back of the laundry in the machine when I use one.
BoschExxcel
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I hate the pods. Don't like the smell and always get stuck in the door seal! Now when I use them (not often as I much prefer my Ariel powder) I stab them in the drum so they leak everywhere, seems to solve the problem.
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I've done a bit of experimenting ...
So far, the 'door splodge' hasn't reoccured.
I'm placing them right at the very back of the drum, under the clothes.
I think the problem is that the water doesn't actually enter the drum from the bottom during the fill - it's coming in via the jets at the front, so being at the bottom of the load doesn't really mean it's going to get wet first.
The Miele load-detection also doesn't involve full tumbles, it's more like a slight twitching of the drum followed by filling through the flume i.e. water pours in over the glass so the clothes immediately start to get wet. Then it starts the detergent dispensing phase which is where it fills through the drawer the 'traditional' way - detergent's never dispensed through the water flume.
It tumbles for a while until it's happy that things are saturating then creates a 'tunnel' in the laundry with a distribution spin and starts a pretty serious flow of water through the jet absolutely saturating them.
What seems to happen is the water is pumped into the honeycomb drum faster than it can drain away during normal tumbling so you end up with loads of water in the wash rather than down in the sump.
The wash action on cottons is pretty vigorous. I've never seen a non-commercial machine wash like this before! The idea seems to be to create a layer of water in the drum on the honeycomb pattern to protect the clothes and then absolutely slosh them around the place.
It's something like this:
Fast tumbles that slow down as they progress for a while and then very fast tumbles where water sloshes around and even down the door glass from all directions with the recirculation jet sloshing water in.
The jet's at least as powerful as a washing machine emptying down the drain. It produces a lot of water compared to what I've seen on the Zanussi / AEG / Electrolux systems but the basic design of it is very similar.
I suppose the best approach might be a 'sacrificial sock' to make the pod more substantial.
The boot design on this generation of Mieles is pretty tight too. There's very little chance of anything actually jamming in the seal and there's a very tight space between the drum and the seal, so I don't think there's much risk of any objects ever making their way between the drum and the stainless steal outer tub.
You should see the high rinse level action!!
The machine fills quite deep, operates the jet and uses a lot of very aggressive tumbles to really get things flying around!
The design is all about forcing as much water as possible through the fabric without damaging it.
It doesn't seem to damage anything though, the design of the drum seems to ensure they're mostly interacting with water, not the drum surfaces (which are very smooth and entirely metal.. no plastic scoops or anything like that)
What's really impressed me is that thing like antiperspirant stains in t-shirts that had been there for a long time (Despite washing on long cotton cycles in the Samsung) disappeared in a 60 min short cottons cycle with exactly the same detergent.
So far, the 'door splodge' hasn't reoccured.
I'm placing them right at the very back of the drum, under the clothes.
I think the problem is that the water doesn't actually enter the drum from the bottom during the fill - it's coming in via the jets at the front, so being at the bottom of the load doesn't really mean it's going to get wet first.
The Miele load-detection also doesn't involve full tumbles, it's more like a slight twitching of the drum followed by filling through the flume i.e. water pours in over the glass so the clothes immediately start to get wet. Then it starts the detergent dispensing phase which is where it fills through the drawer the 'traditional' way - detergent's never dispensed through the water flume.
It tumbles for a while until it's happy that things are saturating then creates a 'tunnel' in the laundry with a distribution spin and starts a pretty serious flow of water through the jet absolutely saturating them.
What seems to happen is the water is pumped into the honeycomb drum faster than it can drain away during normal tumbling so you end up with loads of water in the wash rather than down in the sump.
The wash action on cottons is pretty vigorous. I've never seen a non-commercial machine wash like this before! The idea seems to be to create a layer of water in the drum on the honeycomb pattern to protect the clothes and then absolutely slosh them around the place.
It's something like this:
Fast tumbles that slow down as they progress for a while and then very fast tumbles where water sloshes around and even down the door glass from all directions with the recirculation jet sloshing water in.
The jet's at least as powerful as a washing machine emptying down the drain. It produces a lot of water compared to what I've seen on the Zanussi / AEG / Electrolux systems but the basic design of it is very similar.
I suppose the best approach might be a 'sacrificial sock' to make the pod more substantial.
The boot design on this generation of Mieles is pretty tight too. There's very little chance of anything actually jamming in the seal and there's a very tight space between the drum and the seal, so I don't think there's much risk of any objects ever making their way between the drum and the stainless steal outer tub.
You should see the high rinse level action!!
The machine fills quite deep, operates the jet and uses a lot of very aggressive tumbles to really get things flying around!
The design is all about forcing as much water as possible through the fabric without damaging it.
It doesn't seem to damage anything though, the design of the drum seems to ensure they're mostly interacting with water, not the drum surfaces (which are very smooth and entirely metal.. no plastic scoops or anything like that)
What's really impressed me is that thing like antiperspirant stains in t-shirts that had been there for a long time (Despite washing on long cotton cycles in the Samsung) disappeared in a 60 min short cottons cycle with exactly the same detergent.
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