WP Belt drive spin clutch/tube question/issue

[kenmoreguy89]

Hi all.
It is a couple days that my whirlpool is giving me a couple problems.
I noticed it have a hard time kicking into spin.
It takes a lot of time to reach the speed and sometimes does not at all.
First thing that came to my mind was a slipping belt, though after inspecting and make sure nothing slips I came across something that probably doesn't work right.
Premise:
Even though I disassembled the whole thing and replaced the transmission and spin tube, to this day, I cannot say I have a clear glimpse of how the spin mode works.
I could not find a clear detailed explanation of how exactly it engages into spin or wash mode and what happens during shifting.
All I find is always very vague and incomplete and confusing.
Manuals in the first place.
I know it pushes the spin cam and brake goes down, but I do not understand how and even by seeing the installed thing working I still do not understand.

Said this, I noticed that the spin pulley was very very hot, and it looks like it is due to the friction with the round black pads that I can also hear brushing on the pulley while operating both wash mode and as it tries to go into spin speed, in what's called "spin clutch yoke" in diagrams though I don't even understand how that thing is supposed to be a clutch. What's the purpose? What it does?
I would assume that those pads are not supposed to brush during wash mode and just serves to give the spin speed, and because of it got worn out?
Is it supposed to lift the pads from brushing to the moving pulley during wash?
If yes how? What could be wrong?
The other spin tube assembly I have from my old transmission look like that piece is not supposed to be lifted as it is still.

Also, what the springs under the brake pad are there for?

[this post was last edited: 8/12/2021-12:35]

 

[maytag85]

This video I made back in May explains how the spin works on these older Whirlpool belt drive washers in the beginning of the video.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Thanks</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Sean!!</span>

So it is indeed meant to stay lifted during wash.

I just do not understand how though, what keeps that up?

Mine looks stuck like it is supposed to be that way. 

No way to lift that thing with the 3 pads in any way.

And IIRC was the same for my other spin tube.

 So it would mean I kept my washer running under effort all this time!

And finally the pads worn to the point they now won't grip anymore?

Holy Moly. This is a endless nightmare

 

 

[maytag85]

You are welcome! I had dealt with something sort of similar but mine has issues with engaging into the spin abruptly and adjusted the clutch a dozen times but ever since I put a new 3 pad clutch on, it definitely seems to engage more smoothly and sometimes it’s a little abrupt when it engages into the spin but since it ain’t broke I am just leaving it alone for now.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Do you have a part number for the clutch components?

At this point I was thinking about getting a new spin tube though, as both were not that good and I am more confident about putting a new spin tube for seal's sake too 

Though they seem impossible to be found

 

[kenmoreguy89]

What causes it to get stuck like this  anyway?

You mentioned something in your video about dragging too much. Is that a reason? 

 

[combo52]

Hi Kenmore guy

 

I thought you were thinking of moving here, If you ever get here you can learn how to rebuild these machines, if done properly you should have no problems for many years, and we have all the parts you would need.

 

give me a call, John L.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Yes John, I'm still planning to try moving, though it is not at all easy (almost impossible actually) and I feel like I will just waste money trying to. But I need to try anyway...

I just need to organize things very well in order to lower a bit the high chances of it being only a waste of time and money.

Plus am unsure what will happen covid-wise.

Said this, this is my daily driver and I would like to leave a working washer for whenever I come back anyway

I really do not understand how that thing is supposed to get lifted up.

The cams moves as supposed, it drops the brake to spin and comes up when spin is finished and during wash (as supposed).

If this weird clutch and pads<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> are supposed to  get up when the left cam bar is pushed in wash mode that is not the case.  Or at least not the portion of it that I see from behind </span>

Only the brake gets lifted.

 

I tried to pull really<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> hard on the other spin tube I have and it takes an incredible force to lift it just a tiny bit. Like half a millimeter </span>

I do not see how the cam is supposed to lift it.

 

There is another support shaft next to the vent, that one does not move.

Guess that one also is supposed to go up or down?

 

[jons1077]

I just had the opposite problem

Your clutch needs to be adjusted down a bit. There is a nut underneath the yoke that will adjust the yoke up or down. I believe yours is too high and not allowing enough slipping and causing the motor to work too hard. I would try bringing the yoke down a little bit and see how it does. The older style clutches have larger plates so they will bog down the motor more so than the newer ones did and suds locking happened more frequently. This machine is the same as my ‘64 Kenmore 70.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Thank you

I will try to do that and or disassemble this clutch and try to see if I can adjust it.

That is so bad! 

Currently I am without a washer inside.

I have the DD needing a new neutral drain kit (should be delivered soon), the Speed Queen that needs new tub Seal and bearing.

Guess i will have to take out of storage one of my FL's, thinking about the  AEG Clara SL.

But I'd like some thing  lighter to take up the stairs!