In the POD for 5-27-16, even though the washer has three water level selections, the wash portion of the timer has a "FILL" period marked. I can understand that with the basic machine from 1960 that was the POD earlier this week as that was the only way to have a partial wash fill. Were all of the timers made like this so that it was possible to achieve a lower water level for the wash, even on machines with no water level setting? I remember my mom's waterfall front KM from ca. 52 with "FILL" marked from about 15 minutes to about 8 or 10 minutes on the timer dial. I think newer WP machines would agitate dry in the last two minutes of the wash portion of the timer, at least on the Normal Cycle. If you primed the drain hose and added some length to it, it was possible to suck suds back into the tub by setting the timer at that point.
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FILL marking on early WP!
Being I had a time fill hotpoint when I was a tot - it confused me to see a washer with a fill marking that didnt move when filling! I have friends that had a time line whirlpool from 58 and it had the fill marking down to about 5 minutes. I remembered the timer had markings for 12 8 4 and they explained the fill marking was only a starting range. And they also said you can do a 14 minute wash if you started it at the beginning line before the 12 marking. As I remember all whirlpools had the fill markings on the dial plus some had the word Rinse Fill for rinse. I think it would have been better to label the word Start and Deep Rinse that might have made more sense! Regardless I loved the Imperal Timeline and all whirlpools from that era. I remember they used the Fill marking on all timers as I remember until about 63! I dont recall the kenmores having the fill markings!
Peter
Being I had a time fill hotpoint when I was a tot - it confused me to see a washer with a fill marking that didnt move when filling! I have friends that had a time line whirlpool from 58 and it had the fill marking down to about 5 minutes. I remembered the timer had markings for 12 8 4 and they explained the fill marking was only a starting range. And they also said you can do a 14 minute wash if you started it at the beginning line before the 12 marking. As I remember all whirlpools had the fill markings on the dial plus some had the word Rinse Fill for rinse. I think it would have been better to label the word Start and Deep Rinse that might have made more sense! Regardless I loved the Imperal Timeline and all whirlpools from that era. I remember they used the Fill marking on all timers as I remember until about 63! I dont recall the kenmores having the fill markings!
Peter
Tom, our 1962 LJA320 with 3 water levels had a designated "Fill" range on the timer (both on the Normal and Gentle cycles, IIRC) but it didn't function as such, the machine would fill at any wash time position. Remains a mystery why the cycle legends had the marking. The unmarked Suds period leading in to Normal would function as a dry-agitate.
just a guess
I bet that anywhere beyond "FILL" was where the timer no longer allowed filling, you'd accidentally get a dry agitation or no action at all. It was likley a simple designation that you could start a cycle anywhere from the beginning to the end of FILL depending upon how much wash time you wanted.
I bet that anywhere beyond "FILL" was where the timer no longer allowed filling, you'd accidentally get a dry agitation or no action at all. It was likley a simple designation that you could start a cycle anywhere from the beginning to the end of FILL depending upon how much wash time you wanted.
May I point out...
That today's POD (5-28) also has a fill period as well as 3 water levels. Perhaps an older way of saying "start." Just saying.
That today's POD (5-28) also has a fill period as well as 3 water levels. Perhaps an older way of saying "start." Just saying.
Mayhaps
Has something to do with accommodating households with low water pressure. That is the "Fill" portion of timer would allow for intake of water without restrictions upon timer, and or more generous allowance.
Seem to recall when reading CR reviews of "automatic" washing machines from the 1950's they made mention if a washer had a timed fill or whatever. Timed filling to certain water levels is only good if the pressure switch can be satisfied within the given period allotted on timer. Otherwise machine will start agitating once it times out regardless, am I wrong?
Has something to do with accommodating households with low water pressure. That is the "Fill" portion of timer would allow for intake of water without restrictions upon timer, and or more generous allowance.
Seem to recall when reading CR reviews of "automatic" washing machines from the 1950's they made mention if a washer had a timed fill or whatever. Timed filling to certain water levels is only good if the pressure switch can be satisfied within the given period allotted on timer. Otherwise machine will start agitating once it times out regardless, am I wrong?
The timer has no relevance in Whirlpool machines with fill level controlled by a pressure switch (unless there's something about older machines of which I'm unaware, which certainly is possible). The pressure switch is in control, and the timer remains off until the pressure switch is satisfied.
The only exception of which I'm aware is that some older timers had the timer motor run for ONE increment of the rinse fill. If water mains flow rate is high enough that (typically on the lowest fill level) the pressure switch is satisfied before the increment runs out, then there's a brief pause until the timer advances and agitation begins. Otherwise, the timer advances to the next increment and stops while fill continues until the pressure switch is satisfied, at which moment rinse agitation begins immediately.
You definitely could get a partial fill by setting the timer in the "FILL" zone until the desired water level was reached then pulling the timer dial out and advancing it out of the "FILL" zone and restarting it so that it would start agitating. Our 52 Kenmore had a float in a chamber near the top of the outer tub so there was no possibility of a pressure switch allowing for partial fills. Mom would start her machine filling at the 15 minute mark then, when agitation started, would stop it and advance it to 10 minutes. I asked her why she did that, but it was obvious that the concept of just starting it at 10 minutes was way over her head. She saw "FILL" in big letters at the start and probably did not notice the line that arced across the numbers to 10.
Right ... float-fill is, of course, a different animal than pressure-fill.
It's a case of Meter-Fill vs. Time-Fill:
I really like that washer & to think back then out could automatically sense how high to fill its water--to the point where I would gladly would have bought a machine with only a timer & temperature (that Sears was pushing in its Kenmore line) according to the weight of how much had been put in it...
Usually in that case, where the timer was set, would determine how much water would go into the tub, causing the knob to be reset accordingly, depending on how much water was actually required & the time needed to do the wash-load... --So, I would rather have the extra knob for the Water Level, really or get the rare Timer & One Knob Combo, where the Timer could determine temperature & the outside knob will do the "Low" to "High" for water usage...
-- Dave
I really like that washer & to think back then out could automatically sense how high to fill its water--to the point where I would gladly would have bought a machine with only a timer & temperature (that Sears was pushing in its Kenmore line) according to the weight of how much had been put in it...
Usually in that case, where the timer was set, would determine how much water would go into the tub, causing the knob to be reset accordingly, depending on how much water was actually required & the time needed to do the wash-load... --So, I would rather have the extra knob for the Water Level, really or get the rare Timer & One Knob Combo, where the Timer could determine temperature & the outside knob will do the "Low" to "High" for water usage...
-- Dave
My Mom had the model above the one that was featured. It had two cycles, Normal and gentle, (single speed). And yes, as someone already pointed out, it was so that you could start it anywhere in the arch of "Fill" for shorter washes and/or for partial fills. If doing a partial fill you would pull the timer out at the desired water level and advance the timer outside of the arch to start agitation. The only draw back with this was when it got to deep rinse, the washer would fill full unless you were right there and when it got to the water level you wanted, you would turn it back to the wash cycle to agitate the clothes.
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
I have a few photos 1st a 55 supreme and imperial
I have a few photos 1st a 55 supreme and imperial
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1956 model
1956 model
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
1958 Timeline Imperial - this one was almost like the one these old friends had as I described earlier but that one only had the numbers 12 8 4 and did not have the word Fill in the Rinse portion - I think this was a later version?
1958 Timeline Imperial - this one was almost like the one these old friends had as I described earlier but that one only had the numbers 12 8 4 and did not have the word Fill in the Rinse portion - I think this was a later version?
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1959 - I picked up from here and I wish I could have gotten a better closeup of the timer!
1959 - I picked up from here and I wish I could have gotten a better closeup of the timer!
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1959 TOL model
1959 TOL model
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
I think 1961 with a shorter wash time
I think 1961 with a shorter wash time
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
from a 1961 instruction booklet
from a 1961 instruction booklet
WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
And finally I think 1962 - if anyone has more please post!
Thanks
Peter
And finally I think 1962 - if anyone has more please post!
Thanks
Peter
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