kalanikaau1
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Truly a "disposable" washing machine, my local BestBuy store wants $490 for it...thanks but no thanks!
You pay for what you get...
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cfz2882
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chinese...
...Midea. and similar to a VMW underneath.
...Midea. and similar to a VMW underneath.
kalanikaau1
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VMW
Pardon my ignorance, whats a "VMW"?
Pardon my ignorance, whats a "VMW"?
GEEZ!
What the heck? Get a Speed Queen Classic and be done with it. GEEZ!
What the heck? Get a Speed Queen Classic and be done with it. GEEZ!
kalanikaau1
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Geez!
That is exactly why I rebuilt this 2018 Speed Queen to replace my irreparable 24 year old Maytag, I refuse to get caught up in the "disposable" syndrome so many appliance manufacturers now insist the public to accept.
Appliances such as refrigerators and those for laundering may be ubiquitous as a door knob, but when they fail the average consumer will rush out and buy the most easily available replacement.
I can make do without a TV or PC which has gone south, certainly not a fridge, and, to a certain extent a washing machine. If you've seen the laundromats in my area and those who frequent them you'd understand why I don't relish having to use wash my clothes in their equipment.
A new TC5 fob Honolulu is $1800 which I don't mind paying for, however this used SQ came up for sale for $75, after throwing some $$ and time into it I know that I'll have a reliable and efficient machine.
That is exactly why I rebuilt this 2018 Speed Queen to replace my irreparable 24 year old Maytag, I refuse to get caught up in the "disposable" syndrome so many appliance manufacturers now insist the public to accept.
Appliances such as refrigerators and those for laundering may be ubiquitous as a door knob, but when they fail the average consumer will rush out and buy the most easily available replacement.
I can make do without a TV or PC which has gone south, certainly not a fridge, and, to a certain extent a washing machine. If you've seen the laundromats in my area and those who frequent them you'd understand why I don't relish having to use wash my clothes in their equipment.
A new TC5 fob Honolulu is $1800 which I don't mind paying for, however this used SQ came up for sale for $75, after throwing some $$ and time into it I know that I'll have a reliable and efficient machine.
$500 top load washer
Well given it’s almost 1/4 the price of a new Speed Queen, there’s no doubt in my mind that four of these inexpensive washers will far out last the Speed Queen ( or any other washer ever made )and then when you couple how much energy it saves in electricity and water usage it makes the $500 washer, a real bargain. We are seeing the basic VMW last at least five years and of course, a lot of the original 2010 machines that were sold are still going strong at 14 years so my guess is the whirlpool VMW machines will probably last an average of more than 10 or more years.
Of course I would go as step better and get $1000 front load washer or better yet $2000 Speed Queen front load washer and save even more energy and have superior clothing care and cleanliness rinsing, etc.
John
Well given it’s almost 1/4 the price of a new Speed Queen, there’s no doubt in my mind that four of these inexpensive washers will far out last the Speed Queen ( or any other washer ever made )and then when you couple how much energy it saves in electricity and water usage it makes the $500 washer, a real bargain. We are seeing the basic VMW last at least five years and of course, a lot of the original 2010 machines that were sold are still going strong at 14 years so my guess is the whirlpool VMW machines will probably last an average of more than 10 or more years.
Of course I would go as step better and get $1000 front load washer or better yet $2000 Speed Queen front load washer and save even more energy and have superior clothing care and cleanliness rinsing, etc.
John
cfz2882
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Re, reply 2...
...VMW: Vertical Modular Washer-new design introduced by Whirlpool in 2010: PSC motor reverses back and forth for agitation,timer motor driven "mod shifter"couples basket to drive pulley for spin,agitator driven through planetary reduction gearbox.Made in agitator,agipeller and impeller/washplate versions.In my experience,recovering discarded VMWs,trouble areas include main seal/ruined upper bearing,bad pc boards,bad lid switch/lid lock, and once a bad mod shifter. Agitator shaft broken loose at weld from planet gear carrier inside transmission has been reported too.
...VMW: Vertical Modular Washer-new design introduced by Whirlpool in 2010: PSC motor reverses back and forth for agitation,timer motor driven "mod shifter"couples basket to drive pulley for spin,agitator driven through planetary reduction gearbox.Made in agitator,agipeller and impeller/washplate versions.In my experience,recovering discarded VMWs,trouble areas include main seal/ruined upper bearing,bad pc boards,bad lid switch/lid lock, and once a bad mod shifter. Agitator shaft broken loose at weld from planet gear carrier inside transmission has been reported too.
My math is. NOT bad
Hi William, my math is not bad. Your luck is just very bad.
It’s obvious that very few of these machines broke after five loads and of course it was fully covered by a warranty.
There is no evidence that these machines are failing and high numbers and being replaced in the first year.
These VMW washers have many things that go wrong with them as noted in post number six above most of these problems are easily repaired transmissions main bearings, and main controls probably won’t be repaired because of the cost of the part and the difficulty of repair.
The first thing you learn in statistics in college is one example is not statistically accurate nor is it likely to ever be repeated, the odds of getting one of these washers and having only last five loads is nonexistent.
John [this post was last edited: 7/21/2024-16:11]
Hi William, my math is not bad. Your luck is just very bad.
It’s obvious that very few of these machines broke after five loads and of course it was fully covered by a warranty.
There is no evidence that these machines are failing and high numbers and being replaced in the first year.
These VMW washers have many things that go wrong with them as noted in post number six above most of these problems are easily repaired transmissions main bearings, and main controls probably won’t be repaired because of the cost of the part and the difficulty of repair.
The first thing you learn in statistics in college is one example is not statistically accurate nor is it likely to ever be repeated, the odds of getting one of these washers and having only last five loads is nonexistent.
John [this post was last edited: 7/21/2024-16:11]
Setting things straight.
It didn't break after 5 loads. It worked fine up until he started taking it apart and that wire became dislodged that he didn't notice. Not the machines fault.
The video title is disingenuous click bait.
It didn't break after 5 loads. It worked fine up until he started taking it apart and that wire became dislodged that he didn't notice. Not the machines fault.
The video title is disingenuous click bait.
kalanikaau1
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no doubt in my mind
Perhaps so, but I would not want to undergo the inconvenience of having to routinely replace 4 washing machines in 20 years or so, having to physically go to a BestBuy store, loading it into my truck, then unloading and installing it into my home.
Ditto if it were to be delivered for free, I'd have to devote time to be home to have BestBuy deliver and install it.
I make major purchases based on the products quality and reliability, this is why I own a 2022 Toyota 4Runner instead of a Kia Sorento, I could had bought 2 Kia's for what I paid for the Toyota.
However, I don't relish the possibility of the Kia crapping out on me on the side of the road at the most inopportune time, jeopardizing my own and my family's safety.
Perhaps so, but I would not want to undergo the inconvenience of having to routinely replace 4 washing machines in 20 years or so, having to physically go to a BestBuy store, loading it into my truck, then unloading and installing it into my home.
Ditto if it were to be delivered for free, I'd have to devote time to be home to have BestBuy deliver and install it.
I make major purchases based on the products quality and reliability, this is why I own a 2022 Toyota 4Runner instead of a Kia Sorento, I could had bought 2 Kia's for what I paid for the Toyota.
However, I don't relish the possibility of the Kia crapping out on me on the side of the road at the most inopportune time, jeopardizing my own and my family's safety.
These machines are a perfect example of unfair competition. Dangerous, poorly engineered products that would never pass an honest NRTL.
The fact a wire can come out of a molex connector crimp at just 1 pound of pressure destroys any reputation and credibility the manufacturer had. Guess no one has seen what UL verification, listing and testing entails. This is no ultra chintzy Whirlpool or GE, but something far worse. I question if these Media machine are even safe to use in the first place.
If you read the reviews (of these machines) the defects and failure rates are very high.
The fact a wire can come out of a molex connector crimp at just 1 pound of pressure destroys any reputation and credibility the manufacturer had. Guess no one has seen what UL verification, listing and testing entails. This is no ultra chintzy Whirlpool or GE, but something far worse. I question if these Media machine are even safe to use in the first place.
If you read the reviews (of these machines) the defects and failure rates are very high.
kalanikaau1
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Re: reply# 6
Thanks for the clarification, did this design initiate using suspension rods to suspend the wash tub?
Assuming that the tub can hold 20 gallons of water, what possible logic is there in suspending a container weighing 166 lbs?
Not much logic at all, I'd say.
Thanks for the clarification, did this design initiate using suspension rods to suspend the wash tub?
Assuming that the tub can hold 20 gallons of water, what possible logic is there in suspending a container weighing 166 lbs?
Not much logic at all, I'd say.
These have been around a while in different iterations, this was a Criterion at a local DIY lumber yard store, Menards. Makes you wonder what led to the decision to put a warning near that hole.
<blockquote>... did this design initiate using suspension rods to suspend the wash tub?</blockquote> No. Calypso has spring-dampened suspension rods, and the F&P-based Cabrio/Oasis/Bravos.
And the venerable, ancient WP/KM belt-drive had the entire mechanism (baseplate, tub/basket, motor/transmission) hanging on (three) suspension rods, although oscillation was dampened by rubber balls (on both ends) instead of springs.
GE suspension
I thought GE was the first to do the hanging suspension tub in their washers then everybody else followed suit except Speed Queen.
I thought GE was the first to do the hanging suspension tub in their washers then everybody else followed suit except Speed Queen.
to chetlaham
This whole GE post filter-flo disaster set this entire thing in motion. Look at the stupid crap that everybody else is foisting on the general public. What a sad state of affairs. This is why I could get away with a thousand loads in a Speed Queen Classic, unlike these Insignia washers and dryers. Chinese stupid crap!
And yet we wonder why nobody wants them. What the heck were they thinking?
This whole GE post filter-flo disaster set this entire thing in motion. Look at the stupid crap that everybody else is foisting on the general public. What a sad state of affairs. This is why I could get away with a thousand loads in a Speed Queen Classic, unlike these Insignia washers and dryers. Chinese stupid crap!
And yet we wonder why nobody wants them. What the heck were they thinking?
Nobody wants them??
Don’t tell whirlpool they’re Building and selling over 20,000 a day there are several members on this site that absolutely love their VMW washers.
Hanging suspension washers came out about 1972 or possibly earlier the Japanese Hitachi built GE compact washers used this system.
Virtually all top loaders use this system now and Virtually all front loaders do as well I think the only exception on the front loader front is Speed Queen has their tub assembly suspended for spring shock absorber assemblies.
Hanging suspension on the top load washer works very well. It’s very easy to replace the struts and shocks. If they do wear out, don’t tell anybody but whirlpool started using hanging suspension in 1949 on their automatics.
John
Don’t tell whirlpool they’re Building and selling over 20,000 a day there are several members on this site that absolutely love their VMW washers.
Hanging suspension washers came out about 1972 or possibly earlier the Japanese Hitachi built GE compact washers used this system.
Virtually all top loaders use this system now and Virtually all front loaders do as well I think the only exception on the front loader front is Speed Queen has their tub assembly suspended for spring shock absorber assemblies.
Hanging suspension on the top load washer works very well. It’s very easy to replace the struts and shocks. If they do wear out, don’t tell anybody but whirlpool started using hanging suspension in 1949 on their automatics.
John
The model T proved that the public would accept the downfall of appliances without resistance. If everyone was like myself it would have triggered backlash and protests so profound the 4 point hanging suspension system would have been renegaded to history. The Maytag dependable care and two belt Raytheon design would make up 93% of the laundry market even to this day.
This would have been the direct drive, this would have been Kenmore, this washer would have been sold under a dozen names and made increasingly more dependable. China and the rest of the world could never compete.
This would have been the direct drive, this would have been Kenmore, this washer would have been sold under a dozen names and made increasingly more dependable. China and the rest of the world could never compete.
GE model t
Well, GE model T was the one who started this stupid crap in the first place. They're worse than Whirlpool's older hanging suspension. Heck yeah, I wish they'd left the GE filter-flo machine alone and just beefed up their aircraft suspension.
Well, GE model T was the one who started this stupid crap in the first place. They're worse than Whirlpool's older hanging suspension. Heck yeah, I wish they'd left the GE filter-flo machine alone and just beefed up their aircraft suspension.
The thing is, the original hanging spring suspensions, along with the mod shifting splutch actuator were all intended, engineered and reserved around portable and compact washers. The design was never actually intended to be used in full size washers. On the other hand, the average washer marketed to home buyers were built of such quality and performance they were copied with little change into commercial environments. Americans were using commercial quality washers by default and this is why I think so many members here fell in love with their now vintage machines and why so many no none sense people in general liked their washers. Having used a business-in-mind built washer the average consumer experienced respectful elegance. Sadly today the leading commercial laundry mat washers is actually labelled "commercial heavy duty" when sold for consumer (residential) use. When 30 years ago a modern TC5 Speed Queen was roughly the same as any other residential washer. US buyers literally let themselves be stripped of commercial grade machines for the consumer farce.
The model T was merely a bridge. It was, next to the WCI, the first full fledged consumer grade washers. It was both a test, and an appetizer, to get people accustomed to consumer grade washers and the coming residential economy grade washers. When it worked, the commercial orientated washers were discontinued and economy grade consumer washer were ushered in.
The model T was merely a bridge. It was, next to the WCI, the first full fledged consumer grade washers. It was both a test, and an appetizer, to get people accustomed to consumer grade washers and the coming residential economy grade washers. When it worked, the commercial orientated washers were discontinued and economy grade consumer washer were ushered in.
main course and dessert
If the GE model t was the appetizer, What washers were the main course and the dessert of the laundry world?
If the GE model t was the appetizer, What washers were the main course and the dessert of the laundry world?
You see the main course and dessert right now. VMWs and their knockoffs. People shopping and buying like its nothing not knowing what was taken from them.
main course and dessert
Okay, now I see it now. I suspect the VMW is their main course and GE's knockoff is their dessert. Please correct me. These washers sound like somebody dying!
Okay, now I see it now. I suspect the VMW is their main course and GE's knockoff is their dessert. Please correct me. These washers sound like somebody dying!
The desert are the Chinese VMW knock offs. I never thought I'd be thinking of VMWs knock offs, but here we are.
Chinese knockoffs...
What the heck? Midea, I'm talking to you. This must be a knockoff.
What the heck? Midea, I'm talking to you. This must be a knockoff.
kalanikaau1
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Hanging suspension
So far that I am aware of, none of the top load machines in my family have ever been of the hanging suspension design, we haven't owned a lot, just 5 ranging from a late '50's Hotpoint to the current Speed Queen LWN432SP115TW01, with 2 Maytags and a Kenmore (Whirlpool) DD machine tossed in for good measure.
It just seems counterintuitive to be suspending all that weight with gravity fighting the entire design, the suspension components may be easy to replace, however that alone indicates a flaw in the design.
I don't ever plan on owning a top loader with a hanging suspension system, the entire concept just seems stupid to me.
So far that I am aware of, none of the top load machines in my family have ever been of the hanging suspension design, we haven't owned a lot, just 5 ranging from a late '50's Hotpoint to the current Speed Queen LWN432SP115TW01, with 2 Maytags and a Kenmore (Whirlpool) DD machine tossed in for good measure.
It just seems counterintuitive to be suspending all that weight with gravity fighting the entire design, the suspension components may be easy to replace, however that alone indicates a flaw in the design.
I don't ever plan on owning a top loader with a hanging suspension system, the entire concept just seems stupid to me.
sudsmaster
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I've been running a Maytag Neptune washer and dryer for some 23+ years now. No major problems. Of course the washer is a front loader.
