I remember reading somewhere that one of the high level execs of Maytag once worked for Whirlpool prior. I wonder if that factored into any of this.
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neptunebob
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Maybe it was worse...
The executives of Maytag worked for GE with Jack Welch or went to Jack's own business college.
The executives of Maytag worked for GE with Jack Welch or went to Jack's own business college.
"I remember reading somewhere that one of the high level execs of Maytag once worked for Whirlpool prior. I wonder if that factored into any of this."
Ralph F. Hake, who was CEO of Maytag from 2001-2006, was in involved with Whirlpool from 1987-99 as:
CFO
Senior EVP Global Operations
Whirlpool President, Whirlpool Bauknecht Appliance Group
Yup, no inside fuckery going on there
Ralph F. Hake, who was CEO of Maytag from 2001-2006, was in involved with Whirlpool from 1987-99 as:
CFO
Senior EVP Global Operations
Whirlpool President, Whirlpool Bauknecht Appliance Group
Yup, no inside fuckery going on there
Wouldn’t be much of a surprise if the CEO of Maytag from 2001 to 2006 aka Ralph F. Hake purposely ran Maytag into the ground.
When a CEO or anyone from upper management from the competition wants to work at a competitor, should have ran in the other direction or “Sorry, we aren’t hiring at this time”.
If the Maytag’s still had a tight rein on the company, would have immediately thrown out anyone from upper management who wanted a job who was a former employee in upper management at Whirlpool.
When a CEO or anyone from upper management from the competition wants to work at a competitor, should have ran in the other direction or “Sorry, we aren’t hiring at this time”.
If the Maytag’s still had a tight rein on the company, would have immediately thrown out anyone from upper management who wanted a job who was a former employee in upper management at Whirlpool.
Whirlpool from 1987-1999
WOW!
Its possible Whirlpool was already embedded in Maytag, and hiring Ralph was the final step coming to fruition. I knew it was conspiracy, but I had no idea it was that big of a conspiracy.
WOW!
Its possible Whirlpool was already embedded in Maytag, and hiring Ralph was the final step coming to fruition. I knew it was conspiracy, but I had no idea it was that big of a conspiracy.
kalanikaau1
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didn't dry properly
In a dormitory setting?
I would not be the least surprised if the dryer vents were severely clogged with lint.
Good friends from Alaska whom I visit each summer for salmon fishing were wanting to replace their not so old electric clothes dryer with a new one, citing that the dryer took forever to dry a load of laundry.
The dryer ductwork consisted of convoluted flexible aluminum ducting running about 10 feet to the exterior.
As you probably guessed by now, the entire ducting was clogged with lint.
After a trip into Anchorage to the Home Depot, I installed proper 4" metal ducting and all was fine with the dryer thereafter.
I even took a wad of lint and set it ablaze (outside, of course), they were astonished at how fast the cellulose fibers went up in flames, citing the importance of cleaning the lint filter after each use.
In a dormitory setting?
I would not be the least surprised if the dryer vents were severely clogged with lint.
Good friends from Alaska whom I visit each summer for salmon fishing were wanting to replace their not so old electric clothes dryer with a new one, citing that the dryer took forever to dry a load of laundry.
The dryer ductwork consisted of convoluted flexible aluminum ducting running about 10 feet to the exterior.
As you probably guessed by now, the entire ducting was clogged with lint.
After a trip into Anchorage to the Home Depot, I installed proper 4" metal ducting and all was fine with the dryer thereafter.
I even took a wad of lint and set it ablaze (outside, of course), they were astonished at how fast the cellulose fibers went up in flames, citing the importance of cleaning the lint filter after each use.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Whirlpool had former employees go to Maytag conspire against them as well. Unfortunately, corporations do some very nefarious and unethical things to cause financial mayhem, then buy them out once they close up shop.
Literally the exact same things Standard Oil did, they priced their products down to nothing, sent former employees or employees over (spies essentially) to the competition, ran them into the ground, bought them up.
Of course, corporations will never admit to anything since they don’t want bad publicity, oftentimes are more secretive about nefarious business practices and such.
Literally the exact same things Standard Oil did, they priced their products down to nothing, sent former employees or employees over (spies essentially) to the competition, ran them into the ground, bought them up.
Of course, corporations will never admit to anything since they don’t want bad publicity, oftentimes are more secretive about nefarious business practices and such.
Frigidaire!
Who could forget about what happened to Frigidaire?
Who could forget about what happened to Frigidaire?
to kalanikaau1
Yes, it was in a dormitory setting. The venting was clear, and the dryer got hot when empty. One time back in 2022, I started going to Big Al's Laundromat, and started doing laundry from that point on. Clothes came out very clean and soft. So I knew I wasn't lying. I wasn't delusional. It was obvious. The dorm washers and dryers didn't do jack. I only needed to wash once, and dry once. That's it!
Yes, it was in a dormitory setting. The venting was clear, and the dryer got hot when empty. One time back in 2022, I started going to Big Al's Laundromat, and started doing laundry from that point on. Clothes came out very clean and soft. So I knew I wasn't lying. I wasn't delusional. It was obvious. The dorm washers and dryers didn't do jack. I only needed to wash once, and dry once. That's it!
Reply #65, replying to myself
Some people may beg to differ which is fine, but there’s a lot more that goes behind the scenes at companies which might be difficult to fathom.
Did that stuff actually happen? Possibly, but it’s real questionable when someone from upper management gets a job at a competitor. Just dubious in general.
Some people may beg to differ which is fine, but there’s a lot more that goes behind the scenes at companies which might be difficult to fathom.
Did that stuff actually happen? Possibly, but it’s real questionable when someone from upper management gets a job at a competitor. Just dubious in general.
kalanikaau1
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Reply# 58
I don't think that there is a worse refrigeration appliance than Frigidaire on the market now.
GE (Haier) comes close, however, very close indeed...
I don't think that there is a worse refrigeration appliance than Frigidaire on the market now.
GE (Haier) comes close, however, very close indeed...
neptunebob
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I thought the worst was Samsung
But if I bought Frigidaire I would only buy the low priced top freezer model.
But if I bought Frigidaire I would only buy the low priced top freezer model.
kalanikaau1
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Reply# 62
I was actually referring to US recognized brands, however I agree, Samsung did not garner the nickname "Samsuck" for no reason at all, LG is also on the list.
Pity, because their consumer electronic devices are excellent, IMHO.
I was actually referring to US recognized brands, however I agree, Samsung did not garner the nickname "Samsuck" for no reason at all, LG is also on the list.
Pity, because their consumer electronic devices are excellent, IMHO.
GE laundry and dishwashing
It's a shame of what GE laundry has become. Same for dishwashing.
It's a shame of what GE laundry has become. Same for dishwashing.
Sean, I 100% believe you. In fact I've always thought the same and still do. My honest conjecture is that Maytag was weakened and bought out from within. By acquiring various brands it would serve the purpose of watering down the Maytag name, creating debt, driving away customers, and ultimately eliminating competition from start to finish. Once the covert part was over all Whirlpool had to do was rid Maytag's physical assets and just slap their name on a few Whirlpool products. Me betting that Whirlpool since the mid 80s already knew the most intimate parts of Maytag's assets, intellect, operations, outlook, goals and future plans. Such that from the time of initiating action to the time Whirlpool bought Maytag they had already known, planned and rehearsed on how to proceed going forward.
Conquered and exterminated at the same time. A very cunning, thorough sort of evil.
This is why I have such a strong dislike for Whirlpool as a whole. I don't believe Whirlpool success just rests in their 3 consumer products each having a major point of excel, I think it also rests in Whirlpools ability to monopolize and control the industry from within. I don't believe Whirlpools scope was by chance or customer appeal rather a long standing zeal in conquest.
I make a somewhat similar analogy to McDonald's. They became as large as they did not by selling the tastiest or highest quality food in the world but by appealing to mass culture, to patriotism and deep seated insecurities. McDonald's aggressively advertised itself as being "all American" appealing to US culture and its ideals. Offering apple pie, commercials appealing to US ideals, commercials where the new kid is welcomed into the community by a gathering at their restaurants, appealing to convenience, to workers, coming across as a community friend, ect. For the kids they enticed them with free toys, characters, free entertainment and a safe place they could play. McDonalds was embraced, becoming a trusted member of the community. Name and reputation lead to blind trust and blind appeal for their food. Despite the fact their food was anything but what was advertised.
Perhaps not a perfect analogy, but once name, broad presence and a veneer is established people begin to trust as they themselves deep down are unsure, apprehensive of strangers. Trust has people buying and believing, even if the name is not as stellar as promised.
If everyone was like me the DC and two belt Raytheon would have dominated the market and Whirlpool would have constantly been embroiled in legal action wondering where they kept going wrong. People would have been tilting washers on the sales floor and any time a plastic outer tub, plastic pulley, ect was visible people would have exclaimed "uh, yahh, no. Nope. Not happening" The look on Sears sales people if everyone was like "no, I will purchase a Maytag A9600" or "LAT8005AAE" Along with calls into Maytag about how their washers could have been made better. The world would be a very different place.
Conquered and exterminated at the same time. A very cunning, thorough sort of evil.
This is why I have such a strong dislike for Whirlpool as a whole. I don't believe Whirlpool success just rests in their 3 consumer products each having a major point of excel, I think it also rests in Whirlpools ability to monopolize and control the industry from within. I don't believe Whirlpools scope was by chance or customer appeal rather a long standing zeal in conquest.
I make a somewhat similar analogy to McDonald's. They became as large as they did not by selling the tastiest or highest quality food in the world but by appealing to mass culture, to patriotism and deep seated insecurities. McDonald's aggressively advertised itself as being "all American" appealing to US culture and its ideals. Offering apple pie, commercials appealing to US ideals, commercials where the new kid is welcomed into the community by a gathering at their restaurants, appealing to convenience, to workers, coming across as a community friend, ect. For the kids they enticed them with free toys, characters, free entertainment and a safe place they could play. McDonalds was embraced, becoming a trusted member of the community. Name and reputation lead to blind trust and blind appeal for their food. Despite the fact their food was anything but what was advertised.
Perhaps not a perfect analogy, but once name, broad presence and a veneer is established people begin to trust as they themselves deep down are unsure, apprehensive of strangers. Trust has people buying and believing, even if the name is not as stellar as promised.
If everyone was like me the DC and two belt Raytheon would have dominated the market and Whirlpool would have constantly been embroiled in legal action wondering where they kept going wrong. People would have been tilting washers on the sales floor and any time a plastic outer tub, plastic pulley, ect was visible people would have exclaimed "uh, yahh, no. Nope. Not happening" The look on Sears sales people if everyone was like "no, I will purchase a Maytag A9600" or "LAT8005AAE" Along with calls into Maytag about how their washers could have been made better. The world would be a very different place.
to chetlaham
I second that. On top of that, I don't see it slowing down anytime soon. If everybody was like me, the GE filter-flo will still be here.
I second that. On top of that, I don't see it slowing down anytime soon. If everybody was like me, the GE filter-flo will still be here.
Made worse by the fact more people are looking for economic buys. The market is there and people are voting on it with their wallets.
quality
I'm all about quality, not quantity.
I'm all about quality, not quantity.
Me too. Quality is key. I can't think of a simpler and more durable washer than the Maytag DC and two belt Raytheon. I remember when Maytag had their see through DC in the late 90s. Appliance stores should have taken the covers off the some model Ts, direct drives, Frigidaire, Goodmans, ect to compare. Sadly it did not work- people having no frame of reference, often having no idea what they're looking at, coupled with sales people telling them to buy Kenmore/Whirlpool, the intent did not work. Back then finding anything out about the internal construction of a machine was next to impossible other than actually taking some home a scrap pile and taking them apart. I remember manufacturers and sellers also hid so much- tech sheets were impossible to view, internal competent strong points were not pictured on machine sites, and when showing a dishwasher unboxed they would for some reason put grey filler or a cabinet around the sides and back of the machine. Like if people were to see the innards it would frighten or intimidate them of something. Some people only care now because the longevity and clean-ability issue has only woken them up now.
If everyone were like me, the thinning of knobs, lids and cabinets would have raised alarm bells triggering further investigation.
If everyone were like me, the thinning of knobs, lids and cabinets would have raised alarm bells triggering further investigation.
interior design
I wish I could take a look at every interior design of each machine. This includes the model T. This is why I just don't blindly believe that all washers are the same. I'd test them empty to see the performance and movement of the water and the level it raises up to in order to determine if it does the job correctly. And I also stand by the machine throughout the entire cycle to know if it does a deep rinse all while empty. I want them done right the first time. This is why I feel like I have to go to great lengths to test them so I can be assure that my clothes are truly clean. I want the machine to fill completely both during wash and rinse and the machine to move the water aggressively. Oh, and I want the water to be at the right temp too.
I wish I could take a look at every interior design of each machine. This includes the model T. This is why I just don't blindly believe that all washers are the same. I'd test them empty to see the performance and movement of the water and the level it raises up to in order to determine if it does the job correctly. And I also stand by the machine throughout the entire cycle to know if it does a deep rinse all while empty. I want them done right the first time. This is why I feel like I have to go to great lengths to test them so I can be assure that my clothes are truly clean. I want the machine to fill completely both during wash and rinse and the machine to move the water aggressively. Oh, and I want the water to be at the right temp too.
