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Not siding with anyone, but John does have a point with plastic outer tubs vs porcelain on steel outer tubs. I’ve dealt with rust issues on my Whirlpool almost 3 years ago, ended up having to have the outer tub welded with rust holes that developed. Whirlpool did use plastic outer tubs on the belt drive machines in the 1970’s for a brief time but decided to go back to metal outer tubs since the plastic in the 70’s was more expensive than metal do to the oil embargo of 1973.

If the belt drives in the 70’s and 80’s had plastic outer tubs, I’m sure there would still be more of them around since plastic holds up better than metal in some cases, that’s why they went to plastic pumps since the metal ones had a tendency of corroding and causing more trouble than a plastic pump.
 
I agree with John about plastic being better than metal. For example if you were to accidently drop the metal tub on a SQ, chances are you're gonna get a ding on it. Whereas plastic, that won't ever happen. The plastic tubs on my Kenmore 90 Series has NEVER broke nor has it ever rusted, unfortunately I've seen rust before from SQ and that's one of the reasons why I'm less interested in getting a SQ top loader. So I'll keep fixing my Kenmore up for as long as I can before ever replacing it with a SQ but I'd rather upgrade to a LG front loader instead.

And speaking of LG, I disagree with Dan and probably Jerome too who I no longer see his posts due to blocking him. I think both LG and Samsung are fine in the appliance market because they do work. My parent's LG front loader is the best set they've had in their house so that means it's better than their old Maytag and both of their GEs' one of which was a Filter-Flo (Jerome's favorite I bet). In fact, we just bought a LG set for the family cabin cause I like my parent's so much. I also like Samsung as well, in fact my uncle's front loader is the longest lasting washer he's ever had (at least from my eyes) even longer than his old Kenmore 90 Series similar to mine he used to have a long time ago. As what Eddie stated, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
 
I do need to correct myself. I assumed dishwashers when I saw Permatuff.
Laundry I have no idea.
But the Dws, plastic was to save their butts in defects.
 
"fine in the appliance market"

Never owned an exploding Samsung top load washer, nor a fridge which requires you to defrost the icemaker weekly have you?

How about an LG refrigeration product with their renown "Linear" compressor, a component which has led a class action lawsuit against the manufacturer?
 
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I've heard stories and I have seen complaints where the plastic outer tubs have cracked from the factory whenever somebody tried to do laundry. Needless to say, water went everywhere. So yes, that's why I defend steel tubs.
 
Never owned or used a Samsung top loader before and I wouldn't even care. Top loaders with an agitator are now outdated for me, I really have no plans on getting another one. And I'll never own one of those HE top loaders, I hate using my grandfather's Maytag. Also haven't used a Samsung fridge from what I recall but I'd rather have a fridge with no ice maker or just never use it at all. My parent's 30+ year old GE always gets jammed in the ice maker. My sister's Whirlpool built Kenmore is even worse, hers has to get emptied out at least once a week. So why would I want a ice maker where I can simply go the old fashion way of filling up water in the ice trays? In regards to LG fridges, I'm aware of the lawsuit news and I'll admit it's something I've got my close eye on. So far my aunt's LG is on year three, still going without any issues. It could maybe fail tomorrow, it could live for another 10 or so years, etc. I will say though that my aunt's old house had an LG and from what I was told, her's never failed before moving away and it lasted longer than her first fridge which definitely wasn't an LG. I'll also say that my brother's new GE fridge he bought when he moved into his new house this year has already failed twice on him, I was surprised because I was told GE is one of the better fridges on the market today. In fact I actually suggested getting a GE fridge for our family cabin but I think I'm slightly glad we went with LG instead because of my brother's experience with his GE. Not saying LG is a better option but just saying though that not all quantity products can last for a short while and not all quality products can last for a long time. Our LG may be the last fridge we've bought for the cabin before the time comes for us to sell the place.
 
As a washer enthusiast (as well as others on the site), front loaders (HE machines in general) are the 4 door of the washer world, nothing really cool about them.

Of course, I actually don’t mind 4 door cars since I am a car enthusiast as well, but in terms of washers? Don’t much care for front loaders since there’s nothing entertaining or distinctive about them.
 
I think a lot of this crud buildup is the byproduct of repeated cold water washing and poor / not enough detergent. Made worse by fabric softner. IMO metal vs plastic outter tubs make no major difference.

 

Things like frequent warm/hot water washing in between cold, strong detergent dosed generously and spin draining make for a self cleaning washer each cycle.

 

Some light suds in the rinse water is ok, they make for softer clothes out of the dryer in my experience. I've noticed double or trippled rinsed clothes while smelling very fresh often have a dry scratchy feel to them without softner.     
 
Sean, personally I find front loaders far more entertaining than top loaders. the only top loader I find anything to get excited about is the Frigidaire GM washers. Otherwise, I find top loaders pretty boring except for the original Kelvinators.

But to be fair, I've been fascinated with front loaders since I was a toddler. [this post was last edited: 8/8/2024-20:18]
 
I think both top loaders and front loaders are fun to watch since I grew up with them. That's one of the reasons why it'd be my dream to own both, use the front loader as my daily driver and use the top loader once in a while for fun. Of course between the two if I can only own one of them, I'd definitely choose the front loader without any regrets. Less water, less electricity, less detergent, less lint removal, more quieter, and more size capacity. The only thing I like about top loaders more such as my Kenmore for example is I can open up the lid to add anything in the load without having water come out of the door like my parent's LG.
 
You're taking good care of the machines you use. My washer has a fabric care chart which which recommends hot and warm more often that not. It also shows garments being sorted and what cycle to use for each garment type.

 

I typically follow the cycle chart and sort fabrics by type and cycle to be used along with the recommended water temperature. Mixing various garments and loads into a single wash cycle is not a thing I normally do.

 

 

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Front loaders may have a larger drum, but here’s one thing most people don’t realize, you are supposed to only load them 2/3 to 3/4 full, not all front loaders are the same size. By the time you load a front loader 2/3 to 3/4 full, the same load will probably fit in a direct drive, Speed Queen, maybe even a Helical Maytag. Again, every front loader has a different capacity so it’s not an exact comparison.

Reply #133. I, too, want to cut back on electricity, but am not going to get another set just to do so. Today, I washed two lightly soiled loads in my Maytag A806. Instead of washing things for the full 10 minutes, decided to wash with a conservative 3 to 5 minutes (that’s what Maytag recommended with their wringer washers, possibly automatics in the early 60’s) since it would not only get done faster, but use a little less electricity as well. Rinsed in cold too as well. When I went to put them in the dryer, decided to go by the suggested drying times in a vintage manual for the early 60’s Maytag Highlander HOH dryers, dried a small load of shirts for 15 minutes, a medium load of shorts for 25 minutes and yes that’s ‘damp dry’, but decided to hang up the items as soon as my Maytag DE806 was done drying. Just going by those suggested washing and drying times will reduce electricity costs, clothing wear, and wear and tear on the machines. Sometimes, it simple common sense that makes all the difference.

Here’s the suggested Wash times Maytag had back in the 1960’s, screenshot I took not too long ago,

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