cehalstead
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West Virginia (WV), not Wisconsin (WI)....a tad bit closer to La Pomme Grande, but not much.....LOL
Your Dishwasher Detergent Preference
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If I can't get Institutional Cascade
I will use Institutional Cascade as long as I can. If this runs out I am looking at a source of Institutional Finish from Ecolab.
WK78.
BTW., RIP Ecolab Solid Power the phosphate police have now ruined it.
I will use Institutional Cascade as long as I can. If this runs out I am looking at a source of Institutional Finish from Ecolab.
WK78.
BTW., RIP Ecolab Solid Power the phosphate police have now ruined it.
One of the gross things about running the first fill without detergent is that the grease on things floats on the water and winds up deposited on the tank lip behind the door. If you open the door to your dishwasher and run your fingers along the tank lip, you will probably find greasy goo, if you are runing the first fill without detergent. The area is hidden from exposure to active washing so what sticks there kinda stays there. Even though I use detergent in both cups in the KDS18, I still put some on the door so that it goes into the first fill. Even though it is just a 3 minute rinse and the 145F water is cooled by the room temperature load and tank, the small amount of detergent keeps greasy goo from accumulating. The Ultra Clean has the uncovered cup that puts detergent right into the first fill.
jerrod6
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Like Tom when I wash loads that are greasy I like to add a bit of powder to the prewash just so the grease doesn't get all over everything. In the winter the water my Dw gets is only warm, and then it hits the SS tank which is around 65F degrees and loses any heat it had, so I don't like cool water splashing grease all over everything including the pump and water lines.
I have a few cycles where the prewash lasts 25 minutes and in these it is heated so I always put some type of detergent in the prewash for these cycles. I have been unable to find Finish Powder for several months, so now i use 1/2 Miele tab in the prewash for these cycles.
I have a few cycles where the prewash lasts 25 minutes and in these it is heated so I always put some type of detergent in the prewash for these cycles. I have been unable to find Finish Powder for several months, so now i use 1/2 Miele tab in the prewash for these cycles.
angus
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Leftover Cascade with Phosphates for me. Probably a one or two year supply and when that runs out, There is a restaurant supply store in the next town over and they do carry Institutional Cascade with phosphates so I will use that. Did I read that someone orders Dishwasher All on line? Haven't seen that in way over 15 years...
Institutional Cascade
Last time one checked while the stuff does contain phosphates it also has chlorine bleach but no enzymes. Cannot abide the wafting chlorine odor when using dishwasher detergents with it, and find enzyme products do a better job.
Being as that may if anyone can confrim I'm wrong and Cascade does contain enzymes may keep an eye out to add some to my stash. Though with at least five or ten (cannot remember ) boxes of phosphate containing Cascade "Complete" or "Pure Rinse" don't think will be needing more anytime soon.
Last time one checked while the stuff does contain phosphates it also has chlorine bleach but no enzymes. Cannot abide the wafting chlorine odor when using dishwasher detergents with it, and find enzyme products do a better job.
Being as that may if anyone can confrim I'm wrong and Cascade does contain enzymes may keep an eye out to add some to my stash. Though with at least five or ten (cannot remember ) boxes of phosphate containing Cascade "Complete" or "Pure Rinse" don't think will be needing more anytime soon.
Institutional machines have to clean fast and operate at sanitizing temperatures. Institutional DW formulas probably would not be successful using enzymes because they would not clean quickly. They only work in today's dishwashers because they use so little water that they have very weak pumps so the machines have to piss and spit for three quarters of an hour in the wash portion of the cycle for things to be washed clean as the water is slowly heated. Enzymes have a chance in these conditions.
What a world, what a world.
What a world, what a world.
Kind of figured that.
Chlorine also breaks down (or rather destroys, *LOL*) protein which helps deal with such soils on dishware. It also explains why you cannot use chlorine bleach on either wool or silk fibers, but we're not on that right now.
As for water levels in modern DWs, my older Kenmore (made buy Frigidare) purchased in the 1990's uses a good amount of water, and happily Cascade and Electrasol had introduced enzymes to their TOL detergents. A sample of Cascade "Complete" came with my unit.
Next time skip the sink was the tag line from P&G touting their new enzyme powered "Complete" DW detergent. The other PR was a television commercial showing housewives pulling various faces at the smell of chlorine bleach coming from their dishwashers. Of course "new" Cascade put an end to all that because it contained enzymes and as we all know from laundry products the two do not mix.
The other television commercial one remembers shows a housewife putting an entire cake (frosting and all) into the dishwasher and only the plate emerged after the cycle was complete with no traces of the cake to be found either there or inside the DW for that matter.
Chlorine also breaks down (or rather destroys, *LOL*) protein which helps deal with such soils on dishware. It also explains why you cannot use chlorine bleach on either wool or silk fibers, but we're not on that right now.
As for water levels in modern DWs, my older Kenmore (made buy Frigidare) purchased in the 1990's uses a good amount of water, and happily Cascade and Electrasol had introduced enzymes to their TOL detergents. A sample of Cascade "Complete" came with my unit.
Next time skip the sink was the tag line from P&G touting their new enzyme powered "Complete" DW detergent. The other PR was a television commercial showing housewives pulling various faces at the smell of chlorine bleach coming from their dishwashers. Of course "new" Cascade put an end to all that because it contained enzymes and as we all know from laundry products the two do not mix.
The other television commercial one remembers shows a housewife putting an entire cake (frosting and all) into the dishwasher and only the plate emerged after the cycle was complete with no traces of the cake to be found either there or inside the DW for that matter.
I have never, in my whole life, heard anyone complaining about the chlorine smell of dishwasher detergents. WP machines actually have a barrier in the steam vent that fills with water as the circulation begins to block the escape of steam during the washing and rinsing phases of the cycle. That ad showing bad reactions to the chlorine smell coming from a dishwasher was invented hype to switch people from the old product to the new one. Most of the detergents for home use had so much fragrance that the chlorine could not be detected; I think that was one reason for the lemon scent in so many products. Unfortunatly, the lemon fragrance was so strong that my plastic sports bottles would absorb it and everything I put in them had a strange lemon flavor. The chlorine in the detergent, however, was enough to keep the bottles from staining from the drinks I carry in them.
cehalstead
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for me, the new detergents work well, but
I miss the smell of chlorine that was in the old detergents, such as Cascade. But...I still bleach my white clothes and wash them in hot water. I also use Comet or Ajax to scrub my bathtub, shower, bathroom sinks and kitchen sinks. I also bleach every drain in the house once a month by pouring a cup of bleach in it, letting it stand for an hour and then flushing it with a soup kettle of boiling water....just call me old fashioned.
I miss the smell of chlorine that was in the old detergents, such as Cascade. But...I still bleach my white clothes and wash them in hot water. I also use Comet or Ajax to scrub my bathtub, shower, bathroom sinks and kitchen sinks. I also bleach every drain in the house once a month by pouring a cup of bleach in it, letting it stand for an hour and then flushing it with a soup kettle of boiling water....just call me old fashioned.
SOMAT
Think it is called "Pril" in some countries too.
Absolutely the best deal, made by Henkel, nearly premium brand (just after Calgonit (finish) but that can be upto marketing), of course, great washing results.
Also very economical, costs 10euro cents per wash. The cheapest.
Dex
Think it is called "Pril" in some countries too.
Absolutely the best deal, made by Henkel, nearly premium brand (just after Calgonit (finish) but that can be upto marketing), of course, great washing results.
Also very economical, costs 10euro cents per wash. The cheapest.
Dex
kenmoreguy89
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Chlorine bleach in DW detergents......
In Italy they produce a yellow variety of finish which contains chlorine bleach...it is a very thick and heavy gel with a nice lemon aroma, that you'll find at the end of washing, no pure chlorine smell, just a lemony fresh scent combined with a light clean scent from chlorine.....and even if it was "pure chlorine" smell I would not be upset for me a light hint of chlorine is not disturbing, a hint of chlorine smell clean for me...
As always can send a bottle to who want to try it.....just email me.
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In Italy they produce a yellow variety of finish which contains chlorine bleach...it is a very thick and heavy gel with a nice lemon aroma, that you'll find at the end of washing, no pure chlorine smell, just a lemony fresh scent combined with a light clean scent from chlorine.....and even if it was "pure chlorine" smell I would not be upset for me a light hint of chlorine is not disturbing, a hint of chlorine smell clean for me...
As always can send a bottle to who want to try it.....just email me.
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kenmoreguy89
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A crappy pic of some DW detergents I picked up for a friend in this website time ago....
There was also the Finish Gel....no complaints heard, rather he was happy....
I find it very good, I usually don't like gels but I find it paragonable to powders..... only flaw is that it is way more expensive than powders.
There was also the Finish Gel....no complaints heard, rather he was happy....
I find it very good, I usually don't like gels but I find it paragonable to powders..... only flaw is that it is way more expensive than powders.
kenmoreguy89
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As long as we're talking about dishwasher detergents....
Here is a pic of the DW Aisle at our local superstore in our town:
Here is a pic of the DW Aisle at our local superstore in our town:
kenmoreguy89
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In this store you can't find the yellow liquid finish, it is rare to be find over here, luckily we have another store that carry it.
Here are Tabs and powders:
Here are Tabs and powders:
kenmoreguy89
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Crappy pic #3 LOL:
kenmoreguy89
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And yes ur right in Italy Somat is called Pril on the tabs protective peel is wrote both Somat and Pril.... and personally I find it sucks, will work okay on glaasware "brilliance" but at cleaning totally sucks for me....
Also is more expensive than finish....and comes in tabs only....
Also is more expensive than finish....and comes in tabs only....
Chuck, be careful with the cleanser on porcelain sinks and tubs. You can remove the glaze with long time use. I saw a tub ruined this way.
Cleanser on fixtures
When I worked at a plumbing supply place, we recommended Bon Ami for general cleaning , with Bar Keeper's Friend for stubborn stains.
My mom used Comet on our tub, and it dulled it some over the years.
When I worked at a plumbing supply place, we recommended Bon Ami for general cleaning , with Bar Keeper's Friend for stubborn stains.
My mom used Comet on our tub, and it dulled it some over the years.
