YYAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! In your face!

[Chetlaham]

Score for vintage light bulbs still left like Globes and 3 ways

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...stration-rolls-back-obama-era-lightbulb-rules

I'm going to have more time to stock up on real light bulbs for decades down the road. I don't ever plan on putting LEDs in my table lamps or vanity mirror.

 

[rp2813]

I thought specialty incandescent bulbs were still going to be available for an indefinite period.

 

I'm no fan of LED bulbs, and I particularly despise them for street lighting, but I can't support the motivation behind this latest bit of insanity from the psycho-in-chief.

 

[Chetlaham]

From what I've been reading eventually those would have gone away to for not being efficient enough.

There is nothing wrong with loosing efficiency in this regard. Consumers who like LED will keep or switch to LED. Those who want the old fashioned bulbs now have a way for manufacturers to legally sell them through say Amazon.

In the end nuclear power will win out (its the only option), so whether a home uses less or more energy will not have an impact on carbon output or environment.

 

[ea56]

We’ve been using CFL’s for almost 13 years now, and have also now been replacing them with LED’s when they burn out. When we first transitioned to the CFL’s the electric bill went down noticeably, so they do save on energy. The only thing I don’t like about them is when they burn out they have a nasty odor from the mercury. But the light has been just as good as the incandescent bulbs. The new LED’s are just great, better that the CFL’s as far as I can see.

We have a real crisis on our hands with Climate Change, just look at the intensity of hurricanes and all the other maladies caused by global warming, like out of control wildfires. We need to do whatever we can to preserve the earth. IMHO its selfish to feel we can just continue whatever energy wasting practices we want to, just because it suits us personally. At some point there needs to be a sense of personal social responsibility. The earth belongs to all of us, and we all must do our own part to preserve it.

And I so agree with Ralph about the motivation behind this. Deregulation will just cause the demise of earth to accelerate.

All that being said, we still have one incandescent bulb still in use in the closet under the stairs, and it was here when we moved in this house 25 years ago, I don’t know how long it was in place before that. We turn this bulb off and on several times daily.
Eddie

 

[Chetlaham]

"when they burn out they have a nasty odor from the mercury"

Its probably from the plastic... when CFLs hit end of life the cathodes keep running and the tube sometimes does break.

Which make me want to ask people if they are ok with the most powerful neuro toxin known to man being released into their living environment.

People will argue its only a drop the size of a ball point pen, yes, but do you really want a dozen of those beads scattered around in your carpet / floor evaporating away for decades on end? 10*F rise in room temp causes mercury evaporation to double. The phosphorus which absorbs some of the mercury as the lamp ages which needs to be cleaned up after a break? How many just use a vacuum or rags that go in the washer? Put them in the regular trash where is all adds up with hundreds of thousands of bulbs over the years?

The true effects will not be known until years latter. And those that do pop near term up will never be attributed to a lamp that can expose a person to much higher concentrations of mercury then coal plants releasing slightly more but in a much more open environment.

 

[Chetlaham]

"We have a real crisis on our hands with Climate Change... IMHO its selfish to feel we can just continue whatever energy wasting practices we want to, just because it suits us personally."

Assuming we do, and its man made, this is only a greater incentive for nuclear power. Wind and Solar are blackouts waiting to happen (look at the UK blackout when after the first power plant trip the wind farm just road down with the frequency) and can not provide the energy needed to power everything. Hydro is limited and fossil fuel will disappear one day even if its helping the earth.

The only option are melt down proof nuclear reactors. Fission in the future, but till then Fission will work well.

 

[Chetlaham]

*fusion is the future- my mistake.

And I know fossils do not help the earth

 

[iowabear]

Electricity is expensive and getting more expensive all the time.  LED bulbs are now often under $3.

 

So this "freedom" will save poor people $2 per bulb at the store.  And then cost them another $12 per year (or more) to operate them compared to LED.  Enough said.


 

 

[ea56]

As Far As Nuclear Power Plants

just consider the the disasters at Chernobyl and Fukushima, enough said. With the potential of earthquakes in California and the carelessness of many in todays workforce, I say HELL TO THE NO on nuclear power plants.

Ask the people in both of these locals what they think about nuclear power. I’ll just bet it will be a great big negatory.

Eddie

Nuclear and radiation accidents and incidents - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Chetlaham]

Read what I wrote: melt down proof.

And Chernobyl is an awful example because 1) US reactors have a containment dome 2) They don't can't run away like the RBMK POS reactors in Russia.

 

[kate1]

The answer to Chernobyl and Fukushima is easy, and it’s been around for decades as a solution, you literally just build reactors that are NOT water cooled. Reactors that are not water cooled do not require any external power source, can safely shut themselves down without any humans even being present, and present no risk of runaway chain reaction or meltdown. My grandpa helped work on these reactors for years until the government pulled their funding and the reactors were shut down. I’m 100% in favor of maximizing renewable energy, I live in a town powered by a hydro plant and I plan on putting solar panels on my roof, but to get away from coal, we need nuclear power too. We have to devote money to building the safe reactors which have already been developed and proven. Even nuclear waste can be recycled (so to speak) and reused in new types of reactors that are currently being developed. We have the answer to our energy crisis, our government just needs to get out from under the thumb of the fossil fuel industry and actually take a stand and invest in the right things.

 

[frigilux]

Every bulb back at the house was CFL. Through dumb luck I purchased the brand that CR later rated highest (sold at Home Depot, as I recall.) They were brighter on start-up and reached their full brightness more quickly than most. As Eddie mentioned above, I noticed a drop in the electric bill right away.

First thing I did upon moving into the apartment in July of 2017 was replace every bulb in the place with LEDs. No problems so far. Have two lamps with LEDs, as well. Can't say I have a problem with the quality of the light they emit. Bulbs in the bathroom, bedroom closets and over the kitchen sink are flood-lamp shaped; the rest are the traditional pear-shape.

 

[circlew]

I really like the last LED lamps I bought. They are Sylvania, made in USA, and have a GLASS outer shell. Got them at Menard's. I can hardly tell the difference between them and an incandescent lamp.

 

[gusherb]

I'm having trouble with several of the candelabra style LED bulbs I've been using, so much so that they're not even lasting a year, and these were "high end" Cree bulbs. Now I see everyones gone to a filament style with NO power supply which means they all have 120hz flicker, which is a huge NO for me (I can see it quite readily). After I use up the case of them that Cree sent me under warranty a couple years ago I may have to go back to incandescent candelabra bulbs (which I'd rather not because the LED's do save a good amount of energy in a high use fixture such as the one I'm talking about).

 

For various reasons I would prefer to have a choice in what type of light bulb I can buy as there is no one size fits all when it comes to lighting applications. 

 

[mattl]

I'm actively boycotting the 4 manufacturers that lobbied for this. It's a simple money grab as was done back in the '20s when the same group determined that bulbs should only last for 1000 hours, not the 2500 they were capable of back then.

The other partner in this is the coal industry who stand to profit due to the increased use of power and the need for more generating plants to support the ( insert the expletive of your choice) who support and implemented this -purely for corporate profit. The hell with the environment.

 

[kb0nes]

Not even looking at the issue of wasting resources, climate change, or even all the money I'm saving, I'm super pleased to only have ONE incandescent lamp in my house (self cleaning oven).

The overall quality of the light is far and away superior with LED's, none of that dingy yellow. And I haven't had a single lamp fail in my house in nearly 10 years now, just something I never even need think of anymore. Funny how this group bemoans appliance failures but doesn't embrace massive reliability increases when then pop up. #olderisalwaysbetter even if it isn't I suppose

It is a shame that energy efficiency needs to be government mandated, but it is does seem to be an American problem that people act selfishly. Most of the efficiency improvements we have made have been mandated vs voluntary. I just can't fathom that, but I was brought up with the idea that all resources are finite and shouldn't be squandered.

Oh well, the pendulum will swing back soon, especially seeing as how they seem hell bent to push it the other way

 

[lakewebsterkid]

LED

Every bulb in our house is LED except for maybe 2-3. We keep outdoor lights on at night and the LEDs are a few years old and we have had no issues. They are Meijer branded candelabra bulbs. We have had 2 failures on LED bulbs overall. One GE HD 100W bulb, and one bulb from our local electric provider (non branded). Both around 1K hrs of use. GE sent me a voucher for a new bulb no questions asked. We have had no issues with the quality of lighting or color. At this point, we will continue to use LEDs without thinking twice. I’m sure the electric bill is lower too!

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

(Long Live!) the AMKrayoKandelebra!

Well, no LED’s here:

Every bulb up here works, and has for the nearly nine-out-of ten that light has hung (I out her in) up there, and that we’ve lived here...

Of course, I have a dimmer switch there which I hardly ever turn on to full brightness (but I have come home to angrily seeing it on all the way, long after everyone’s got up from the table and/or left the room, but only a few times as she’s very seldom used) so I have those factors to those conventional incandescents’ (a flood light which was the only original bulbs that chandelier came with—I added the candle-shaped bulbs)longevity...

— Dave

 

[arbilab]

For those nattering light bulbs over what's 'killing earth', give it a rest.  Firstoff, lightbulbs are a fart in the hurricane of electric consumption.  Further, electric generation and consumption wastes half the fuel put into it, irrespective of which fuel is used.