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Chetlaham said:
1/2 HP should be the minimum for automatic dishwashers. Want to talk about energy efficiency? How about a cool running motor.
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Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
 
qsd-dan said:
Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
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SILENCE!
Some people want things that they obviously don't know the consequences of.
My KDC19's motor is not objectionally LOUD....... it's a soft hum when you first turn it on - before the water level is added, and then the motor's "drone" is masked by the splashing water, which even that isn't annoying.
So those picky people need to take a hike for complaining about such trivial things.
And because of their annoying petty complaints, the manufacturers have complied to those picky idiots and made machines of lesser quality.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
 
phillymatt53 said:
SILENCE!
Some people want things that they obviously don't know the consequences of.
My KDC19's motor is not objectionally LOUD....... it's a soft hum when you first turn it on - before the water level is added, and then the motor's "drone" is masked by the splashing water, which even that isn't annoying.
So those picky people need to take a hike for complaining about such trivial things.
And because of their annoying petty complaints, the manufacturers have complied to those picky idiots and made machines of lesser quality.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
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By today's standards, these are enormously loud but I grew up with them and used 'em as daily drivers until I was 37 years old. It doesn't bother me in the least and sounds like "home" if that makes any sense. Modern dishwashers are insanely quiet compared to these monsters. Homes built from the 90's and upwards tend to have an open floor plan design where the kitchen and main living area share no walls. In these instances, it does make a difference if one is a watcher of TV (I'm strongly against the brainwashing idiot box and haven't owned one in almost 1.5 decades).
 
qsd-dan said:
By today's standards, these are enormously loud but I grew up with them and used 'em as daily drivers until I was 37 years old. It doesn't bother me in the least and sounds like "home" if that makes any sense. Modern dishwashers are insanely quiet compared to these monsters. Homes built from the 90's and upwards tend to have an open floor plan design where the kitchen and main living area share no walls. In these instances, it does make a difference if one is a watcher of TV (I'm strongly against the brainwashing idiot box and haven't owned one in almost 1.5 decades).
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Honestly, mainstream TV isn’t worth a damn anymore. Same repetitive thing since 2010 to the present. Nothing but old stories and news which have been rehashed over and over and over again to the point where it’s nothing but propaganda anymore.

Thankfully, YouTube has an endless amount of content available, mostly watch the old industrial films and old advertisements from a bygone era. Mostly watch stuff from PeriscopeFilm, King Rose Archives, a few other channels I’m subscribed to.

A friend in Michigan who collects vintage television sets managed to connect a Roku to them, literally watches YouTube on a vintage television set.
 
qsd-dan said:
Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
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Id rather have a loud (which doesn't necessarily mean irritating sound) dishwasher that runs in a short amount of time than one that is silent but runs for hours.

18 gallons of water uses less energy if it means no pre-washing.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love these dishwashers. They're fast, durable, reliable, powerful and easy to repair but times have drastically changed. I still run my modified KDS-18 here and there either as an overflow or for fun. Every time I run it, I put insanely dirty dishes that my Point Voyager couldn't fathom cleaning and the results just astonish me. Being on a water softener now, anything more than a half tablespoon of powdered Cascade suds locks the machine.
 
peteski50 said:
My family had a kds19 - the drying performance was dismal unless you used jetdry! I don't think they tested these models very well for drying.
Peter
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Funny, but my KDC19 dries everything just fine.
Perhaps a few drips on top of glassware on the top shelf if I don't tilt them enough.
You may have had a clogged blower assembly, because I can feel the escaping hot air from the bottom of the door on mine.
 
qsd-dan said:
Don't get me wrong, I love these dishwashers. They're fast, durable, reliable, powerful and easy to repair but times have drastically changed. I still run my modified KDS-18 here and there either as an overflow or for fun. Every time I run it, I put insanely dirty dishes that my Point Voyager couldn't fathom cleaning and the results just astonish me. Being on a water softener now, anything more than a half tablespoon of powdered Cascade suds locks the machine.
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I use the liquid Cascade Complete, no issues with filling both cups up.
I've opened the door and see nothing but the water, no suds.
 
qsd-dan said:
I had zero complaints with my KDS-19 or running the KDS-18 and KDS-20 on air dry.
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Yes, if I move the stove away from the right side of the dishwasher, I can access the blower assembly.
Back years ago, I removed it (easy task) and cleaned/oiled the motor and it's been nice and quiet ever since.
 
I have to admit, after the Energy Saver IV and Energy Saver V models were released to the markets, I thought what were the Energy Saver I II, and III models??
 

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