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Chetlaham said:
1/2 HP should be the minimum for automatic dishwashers. Want to talk about energy efficiency? How about a cool running motor.
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Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
 
qsd-dan said:
Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
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SILENCE!
Some people want things that they obviously don't know the consequences of.
My KDC19's motor is not objectionally LOUD....... it's a soft hum when you first turn it on - before the water level is added, and then the motor's "drone" is masked by the splashing water, which even that isn't annoying.
So those picky people need to take a hike for complaining about such trivial things.
And because of their annoying petty complaints, the manufacturers have complied to those picky idiots and made machines of lesser quality.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
 
phillymatt53 said:
SILENCE!
Some people want things that they obviously don't know the consequences of.
My KDC19's motor is not objectionally LOUD....... it's a soft hum when you first turn it on - before the water level is added, and then the motor's "drone" is masked by the splashing water, which even that isn't annoying.
So those picky people need to take a hike for complaining about such trivial things.
And because of their annoying petty complaints, the manufacturers have complied to those picky idiots and made machines of lesser quality.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
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By today's standards, these are enormously loud but I grew up with them and used 'em as daily drivers until I was 37 years old. It doesn't bother me in the least and sounds like "home" if that makes any sense. Modern dishwashers are insanely quiet compared to these monsters. Homes built from the 90's and upwards tend to have an open floor plan design where the kitchen and main living area share no walls. In these instances, it does make a difference if one is a watcher of TV (I'm strongly against the brainwashing idiot box and haven't owned one in almost 1.5 decades).
 
qsd-dan said:
By today's standards, these are enormously loud but I grew up with them and used 'em as daily drivers until I was 37 years old. It doesn't bother me in the least and sounds like "home" if that makes any sense. Modern dishwashers are insanely quiet compared to these monsters. Homes built from the 90's and upwards tend to have an open floor plan design where the kitchen and main living area share no walls. In these instances, it does make a difference if one is a watcher of TV (I'm strongly against the brainwashing idiot box and haven't owned one in almost 1.5 decades).
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Honestly, mainstream TV isn’t worth a damn anymore. Same repetitive thing since 2010 to the present. Nothing but old stories and news which have been rehashed over and over and over again to the point where it’s nothing but propaganda anymore.

Thankfully, YouTube has an endless amount of content available, mostly watch the old industrial films and old advertisements from a bygone era. Mostly watch stuff from PeriscopeFilm, King Rose Archives, a few other channels I’m subscribed to.

A friend in Michigan who collects vintage television sets managed to connect a Roku to them, literally watches YouTube on a vintage television set.
 
qsd-dan said:
Wouldn't jive today, most want a silent running dishwasher in these modern times. They would miserably fail efficiency standards in electricity use alone without incorporating water use. Besides, there isn't enough water use allowed to make them operational. My KDS-18 uses more water in the first couple of minutes than a modern dishwasher uses for an entire cycle. Norma/Sani cycle is a thirsty 18 gallons of water. Pots and Pans is mid 20's.
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Id rather have a loud (which doesn't necessarily mean irritating sound) dishwasher that runs in a short amount of time than one that is silent but runs for hours.

18 gallons of water uses less energy if it means no pre-washing.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love these dishwashers. They're fast, durable, reliable, powerful and easy to repair but times have drastically changed. I still run my modified KDS-18 here and there either as an overflow or for fun. Every time I run it, I put insanely dirty dishes that my Point Voyager couldn't fathom cleaning and the results just astonish me. Being on a water softener now, anything more than a half tablespoon of powdered Cascade suds locks the machine.
 
peteski50 said:
My family had a kds19 - the drying performance was dismal unless you used jetdry! I don't think they tested these models very well for drying.
Peter
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Funny, but my KDC19 dries everything just fine.
Perhaps a few drips on top of glassware on the top shelf if I don't tilt them enough.
You may have had a clogged blower assembly, because I can feel the escaping hot air from the bottom of the door on mine.
 
qsd-dan said:
Don't get me wrong, I love these dishwashers. They're fast, durable, reliable, powerful and easy to repair but times have drastically changed. I still run my modified KDS-18 here and there either as an overflow or for fun. Every time I run it, I put insanely dirty dishes that my Point Voyager couldn't fathom cleaning and the results just astonish me. Being on a water softener now, anything more than a half tablespoon of powdered Cascade suds locks the machine.
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I use the liquid Cascade Complete, no issues with filling both cups up.
I've opened the door and see nothing but the water, no suds.
 
I have to admit, after the Energy Saver IV and Energy Saver V models were released to the markets, I thought what were the Energy Saver I II, and III models??
 
We had an earlier model KitchenAid - a KDI-16, bought in early 1971. It replaced the GE from 1958, and my mom found it to be far superior. It was easier to load, cleaned better, and held up better. It was still functioning when I tore out the kitchen about 40 years later, as opposed to the GE that lasted less than 14. The 19 series had some features ours lacked, such as the upper wash arm, and more insulation. I see that it still had the full heavy steel frame, as ours had. I was surprised when I saw another brand dishwasher, and there was no frame around the tub.
 
circlew said:
We had an earlier model KitchenAid - a KDI-16, bought in early 1971. It replaced the GE from 1958, and my mom found it to be far superior. It was easier to load, cleaned better, and held up better. It was still functioning when I tore out the kitchen about 40 years later, as opposed to the GE that lasted less than 14. The 19 series had some features ours lacked, such as the upper wash arm, and more insulation. I see that it still had the full heavy steel frame, as ours had. I was surprised when I saw another brand dishwasher, and there was no frame around the tub.
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I suppose that that was the PEAK of good design and construction practices amd manufacturing.
And a lot of consumer products of that era benefited in the same way.

I could ask, What Went Wrong?..... since then.....!
But I honestly know the answer, as do many. :cool:
 
Loud or quiet dishwasher? Depends on your hearing too. In 1995, the Kitchen Aid curved console touch pad model was very quiet, for then. Probably around 55 db. There are models today as low as 40 db.
 
Have been a KA fan for many years, used to comb through the shelter magazines and kitchen design books and nearly every one of the high-end kitchens included KA dishwashers. I have a KDS-17 in the kitchen now and am never disappointed after a cycle. The 17 series had an 1100 watt heater, lowered to 750w in later models. To preserve the lower rack over the heater outlet in my 17, I've disconnected the element. I haven't been bothered by the lack of heater, once the cycle is finished I just prop the door open to let the dishes dry. I've done this for years with most of my machines, plastics rarely get completely dry in any dishwasher, inevitable puddles in lips and edges of containers, etc. so I just let them air-dry. My KDS-18 usually is run with the dry heat turned off, the KDS-14 also gets interrupted and ended before the drying cycle begins.
 
phillymatt53 said:
SILENCE!
Some people want things that they obviously don't know the consequences of.
My KDC19's motor is not objectionally LOUD....... it's a soft hum when you first turn it on - before the water level is added, and then the motor's "drone" is masked by the splashing water, which even that isn't annoying.
So those picky people need to take a hike for complaining about such trivial things.
And because of their annoying petty complaints, the manufacturers have complied to those picky idiots and made machines of lesser quality.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
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The thing is with sound dampening, insulation, a precision balanced motor and a sound tuning ball, a dishwasher like a Power Clean or Hobart Kitchen-Aid could be made to produce soothing, muffled tones with a lower decibel level than most other vintage machines.
 
My Whirlpool Gold model 940 had that brass tuning ball on the motor. It wasn't much quieter than the porcelain tub Powerclean it replaced. Some of it is installation too. Our kids Kenmore from 2011 was so quiet, even filling, they couldn't tell if it was washing or not when it finally was shot.
I like to at least hear some water swishing a bit.
 

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