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How many of you are willing to have a super simple dryer as a daily driver? How simple are you willing to go and how many features and cycles are you willing to give up in the name of reliability and longevity?

Me, personally, this is one potential candidate I'd like to have as a daily driver. A 29 inch top mounted filter Whirlpool dryer with drum light. A 27 inch front filter Whirlpool dryer with drum light would be ok too. Hamper door and insert-able dryer rack. Lint Whistle. Heavy duty porcelain on steal coating. Heavy duty commercial belt, heavy duty drum felt and heavy duty drum support rollers A two contact two cycle Mallory timer with air dry and heated dry. A heavy duty 277 volt 7,450 watt rated heater which would output 5,600 watts at 240 volts. The heated dry cycle offers 60 minutes of advancement on ultra dry for things that can open the cycling thermostat prematurely like shoes on the dryer rack. More dry, normal dry and less dry placed for optimal dryness without over drying. 135*F cycling thermostat. Super Capacity drum.

A super capacity Kenmore elite dryer but with the components of a genuine Whirlpool Commercial dryer coupled with the control system of a Galaxy dryer.


Sadly, I don't think such machine was ever offered by Whirlpool, however I believe this was the market actually craves. Such a dryer would outlast anything and everything made today.


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Chetlaham said:
How many of you are willing to have a super simple dryer as a daily driver? How simple are you willing to go and how many features and cycles are you willing to give up in the name of reliability and longevity?

Me, personally, this is one potential candidate I'd like to have as a daily driver. A 29 inch top mounted filter Whirlpool dryer with drum light. A 27 inch front filter Whirlpool dryer with drum light would be ok too. Hamper door and insert-able dryer rack. Lint Whistle. Heavy duty porcelain on steal coating. Heavy duty commercial belt, heavy duty drum felt and heavy duty drum support rollers A two contact two cycle Mallory timer with air dry and heated dry. A heavy duty 277 volt 7,450 watt rated heater which would output 5,600 watts at 240 volts. The heated dry cycle offers 60 minutes of advancement on ultra dry for things that can open the cycling thermostat prematurely like shoes on the dryer rack. More dry, normal dry and less dry placed for optimal dryness without over drying. 135*F cycling thermostat. Super Capacity drum.

A super capacity Kenmore elite dryer but with the components of a genuine Whirlpool Commercial dryer coupled with the control system of a Galaxy dryer.


Sadly, I don't think such machine was ever offered by Whirlpool, however I believe this was the market actually craves. Such a dryer would outlast anything and everything made today.


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What do you think of the Whirlpool commercial dryers similar to the Maytag units?
 
gelaundry4ever said:
What do you think of the Whirlpool commercial dryers similar to the Maytag units?
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I think Whirlpool CEM2795JQ is absolutely the best dryer money can buy today hands down. If I had to buy a new dryer today I'd get that model. It is built similar to a vintage dryer. It is probably the second best dryer design ever made, Complimented with heavy duty parts.


Only thing I don't like about it is the lack of drum light and that the timed dry cycle is restricted to 70 minutes.


I would not compare or purchase most Maytag commercial dryers sold for home use to a Whirlpool CEM2795JQ. For example, CEM2795JQ uses a metal stem Mallory style timer while a Maytag MEDP585GW, MEDP575GW, ect all use a plastic stem timer as found on most other Whirlpool made dryers.

Maytag commercial dryers intended for home use are also ridiculously complicated with wrinkle guard, intermittent buzzer, sensor dry, ect. They are not real commercial grade dryers.


I find it deceptive to label a dryer as commercial grade and then use some the same quality parts as a cheap Amana dryer. It is things like this which the public needs to call Whirlpool out on.



The only Maytag dryers I would buy are the MDE20MNBZW (5250 watt heating element) and MDE20MNBYW (5,600 watt heating element) which are a carbon copy of the CEM2795JQ.
 
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Chetlaham said:
I think Whirlpool CEM2795JQ is absolutely the best dryer money can buy today hands down. If I had to buy a new dryer today I'd get that model. It is built similar to a vintage dryer. It is probably the second best dryer design ever made, Complimented with heavy duty parts.


Only thing I don't like about it is the lack of drum light and that the timed dry cycle is restricted to 70 minutes.


I would not compare or purchase most Maytag commercial dryers sold for home use to a Whirlpool CEM2795JQ. For example, CEM2795JQ uses a metal stem Mallory style timer while a Maytag MEDP585GW, MEDP575GW, ect all use a plastic stem timer as found on most other Whirlpool made dryers.

Maytag commercial dryers intended for home use are also ridiculously complicated with wrinkle guard, intermittent buzzer, sensor dry, ect. They are not real commercial grade dryers.


I find it deceptive to label a dryer as commercial grade and then use some the same quality parts as a cheap Amana dryer. It is things like this which the public needs to call Whirlpool out on.



The only Maytag dryers I would buy are the MDE20MNBZW (5250 watt heating element) and MDE20MNBYW (5,600 watt heating element) which are a carbon copy of the CEM2795JQ.
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What about the Whirlpool CEM2745fq and the matching washer? What do you think of any of them? What about their Maytag counterparts?
 
The CEM2754FQ is a coin slide dryer, also made with the same components as the CEM2795JQ dryer. It is a great dryer and reasonable for actual commercial use.

Whirlpools CAE2745FQ and CAE2795FQ are the only VMWs I'd consider buying. I don't think they are durable enough for commercial environments, however out of all the VMWs they are the best durability wise, performance wise and control wise. The controls on these is very no nonsense. The cycle is fast, doesn't sit and stall on excess suds or an imbalance, and at least with the none vended version will give you an automatic extra rinse or spray if needed. Auto fill is also accurate on these models.

I actually wouldn't mind using a CAE2795FQ washer for a few months. Pat / Agiflow had one and he liked it. He would know more about it.
 
Chetlaham said:
The CEM2754FQ is a coin slide dryer, also made with the same components as the CEM2795JQ dryer. It is a great dryer and reasonable for actual commercial use.

Whirlpools CAE2745FQ and CAE2795FQ are the only VMWs I'd consider buying. I don't think they are durable enough for commercial environments, however out of all the VMWs they are the best durability wise, performance wise and control wise. The controls on these is very no nonsense. The cycle is fast, doesn't sit and stall on excess suds or an imbalance, and at least with the none vended version will give you an automatic extra rinse or spray if needed. Auto fill is also accurate on these models.

I actually wouldn't mind using a CAE2795FQ washer for a few months. Pat / Agiflow had one and he liked it. He would know more about it.
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How do they compare to the Maytag counterparts? I found out that Golden Haven in Temple, Texas has the coin slide Whirlpool washers and dryers. How much water do they fill with? What about the heat in the dryer?
 
We just got a Whirlpool basic gas dryer with auto dry, a high, med., low temp dial, and a start button. The wrinkle guard begins at the end of the auto dry cycle.
 
vacerator said:
We just got a Whirlpool basic gas dryer with auto dry, a high, med., low temp dial, and a start button. The wrinkle guard begins at the end of the auto dry cycle.
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Do you have a model number to your new dryer? Do you have a pic of the control panel? What cycles do you use? I can simplify the pic down a bit if you want.
 
Yes, model number WHD4815EW4. Side swing door. Console looks like the original Cabrio line with curves. Timer and a temperature knob and a start knob button.
 
H*LL NOOOO. The simplest I could stand is a 1986 mechanical control LK dryer with infinite temp settings. I hate simple BOL appliances
 
I use electronic sensor auto dry paired with the cycle to give me the temperature I seek. I usually select the damp dry signal to give me a heads up the load is close to being dry. End of cycle signal is alawys on.
 
appnut said:
I use electronic sensor auto dry paired with the cycle to give me the temperature I seek. I usually select the damp dry signal to give me a heads up the load is close to being dry. End of cycle signal is alawys on.
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I feel like the same can be accomplished with less, but to each his own. I never use the end of cycle, the noise always scares me. Your end of cycle signal might be softer though.

BOL control systems are easier for me to use, and more dependable I feel.
 
I agree with Bob, not too crazy about BOL appliances. Sometimes, I think BOL appliances end up being more expensive since you’ll end up upgrading to something higher end and more expensive in a few years time. Might as well invest up front in something with flexibility and options.
 
The console Chet posted above is similar, but missing the temp. selector dial. I like having one. It's also missing the cancel cycle signal/start button. I suppose a drum light is handy, but don't miss it. Have a well lit laundry area. Our old dryer had a window too. The exterior frame around it was plastic and cracked.
 
vacerator said:
The console Chet posted above is similar, but missing the temp. selector dial. I like having one. It's also missing the cancel cycle signal/start button. I suppose a drum light is handy, but don't miss it. Have a well lit laundry area. Our old dryer had a window too. The exterior frame around it was plastic and cracked.
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I know. ;) Its just that I like wrought simplicity. I like the idea of having an uncluttered control panel with super simple control system on a very featured dryer ie super capacity and as you mention a door window. Temp is handy, however me personally I do almost everything on medium heat.
 
Chetlaham said:
I know. ;) Its just that I like wrought simplicity. I like the idea of having an uncluttered control panel with super simple control system on a very featured dryer ie super capacity and as you mention a door window. Temp is handy, however me personally I do almost everything on medium heat.
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How hard is this? :giggle:
 

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The best dryer I've ever used happens to be a basic one. It had all the things I'd ever use, it dried the best, and my favorite feature is the lint trap cause it's so easy to clean. In case you're wondering what dryer it was, it's this Speed Queen. If I could have any dryer, that'd be it. Although, I'd rather have one where it's gas and has a old school buzzer sound.

 

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How hard is this? :giggle:
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Confusing and tangential, it is easy to get lost finding the right cycle then selecting the right options that go along with it. The push buttons can wear through and the electronic components have a finite life expectancy.

I like appliances where you just turn to the desired setting already visible on the dial instead of having to hunt or program it in to the control. I wish there was a whole line of appliances like this:


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I know in your example the dryer defaulted right to regular, however if I wanted more dry, less dry, air dry, ect I'd have to hunt that specific cycle and then choose the specific options (like air dry tumble time) that go along with it.
 
maytag85 said:
Thermostatic auto dry literally accomplishes the same thing. Moisture sensors can get real screwy at times.
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100% AGREE. Auto dry does what sensor dry does because it also takes moisture content into account- the more moisture in the clothes the longer the heater run time vs heater off time slowing down the overall advancement of the timer until moisture drops. Auto dry accounts for load size, dryness levels and fabric type. Moisture bars are limited because can get coated with softener residue and can be tricked by more dried fabrics repeatedly coming in contact with it.


The way I think of my ideal auto dry is like this. Start with a 140 minute timed dry timer which has 135 minutes of allocated heating. For the sake of the argument assuming the dryer has a 33% heater on time and 66% heater off time at 135*F trip, 20*F differential with nothing in the dryer you would divide 135 minutes by 3 giving you 45 minutes. Increase to 50 so the ultra dry start point decal doesn't have to rest right against the demarcation point where the contacts engage between the off period and cycle start period. Add a 5 minute cool down giving 55 minutes of max motor run time, plus a 5 minute off segment gives you a 60 minute timer at 360* so the time cycle sequence looks like this:





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This covers using the dry rack which gives the user a max equivalent performance cycle to the timed dry timer as it takes the limited load in the dryer into account.

Of note, 60 minutes divided by 8 segments = 7.5 minutes per evenly dived quadrant.

Between the start of cool down and the ultra dry decal various dryness levels are labelled on the timer- for example normal at ~20 minutes of advance time, ~15 minutes less dry, ~10 mild dry, ~5 mild dry, ect.
 

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