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Chetlaham said:
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Okay I'll bite, what exactly is wrong with those GE electric pumps? I've used them for decades in my custom builds and not one has ever failed on me. I've even run them for 15 to 20 minutes at a time for recirculation without any issues, although they are not suppose to run for that long without a rest.
 
Unimatic1140 said:
Okay I'll bite, what exactly is wrong with those GE electric pumps? I've used them for decades in my custom builds and not one has ever failed on me. I've even run them for 15 to 20 minutes at a time for recirculation without any issues, although they are not suppose to run for that long without a rest.
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The Hanning Elektro-Werke pumps are good, they got all the bugs worked out. It is was original Italian pumps that were junk however, they are very noisy and loudly gargle at the end of drain. They vibrate and are very poorly balanced causing anything its mounted to rattle and vibrate. Garment fibers / lint would get wrapped up around the impellers and bog down the motor. They frequently leaked with time due to the weak shaft seal. If anything hard got caught in the pump the impeller would just break. I can think of a dozen other pumps that are much better designed and much better suited for a washing machine.

I know you've used some of these, they are great for the cost and personally what I would recommend if looking for an electric drain pump:


https://mccombssupply.com/wh23x1001...MI2K-4g_yRjwMVb0JHAR1jSTRUEAQYASABEgKOSfD_BwE
 
Chetlaham said:
The Hanning Elektro-Werke pumps are good, they got all the bugs worked out. It is was original Italian pumps that were junk however, they are very noisy and loudly gargle at the end of drain. They vibrate and are very poorly balanced causing anything its mounted to rattle and vibrate. Garment fibers / lint would get wrapped up around the impellers and bog down the motor. They frequently leaked with time due to the weak shaft seal. If anything hard got caught in the pump the impeller would just break. I can think of a dozen other pumps that are much better designed and much better suited for a washing machine.

I know you've used some of these, they are great for the cost and personally what I would recommend if looking for an electric drain pump:


https://mccombssupply.com/wh23x1001...MI2K-4g_yRjwMVb0JHAR1jSTRUEAQYASABEgKOSfD_BwE
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The one you linked are the ones I've generally used. I believe I only have one pump with an external fan like in the image you show, although I've had no issue with it as well.
 
Iā€™ve used the T model and newer GE top load washer pumps in a lot of things as well. They have worked very well. I donā€™t recall every single one fail.

The bad ones were the ones you pictured with the fan they had a shaft seal that would fail and caused the bearing to lock up. The fan itself would also come off sometimes it was just pressed onto the motor. The motors on those got so hot that the fans would just fall off youā€™d find them in the bottom of the machine.

John L
 
phillymatt53 said:
It seems like the teens, the younger crowd, has been a major issue here in Philly.
And...... throughout the USA.
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It's like they're having their parents do their laundry, instead of have been shown by them how doing laundry should get done. I don't need wifi to do my wash. I hate washers that constant sense loads unsatisfactorily. This causes not enough water to be put into the machine.
 
gelaundry4ever said:
It's like they're having their parents do their laundry, instead of have been shown by them how doing laundry should get done. I don't need wifi to do my wash. I hate washers that constant sense loads unsatisfactorily. This causes not enough water to be put into the machine.
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When I was young, I was curious about a lot of things.
I sometimes took things apart to understand how they worked.
That got me into trouble with my father, of course.
Mom taught me how to use the washer properly.
And cook some meals.

But today, kids couldn't care less about fundamental chores, all they know is how to stare at a smartphone, and text, play games, Apps, among other phone things.
Funny, they call them Smart Phones.... yet they're being used by stupid people.
 
neptunebob said:
Oh I think the adults said the same thing about us when WE were teenagers back in the 70s.

As for Maytag, they probably should not have bought Magic Chef and should have been like a Speed Queen and just made washers and dryers.
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My honest opinion is that Maytag should've dropped all the designs they acquired and placed the Neptune, Magic Chef, Speed Queen, Amana, Modern Made ect names along with Neptune, Performa, Atlantis, ect on the dependable cares.

Keep everything the same with the same heavy duty components just with different names.

To be honest I like the control panel designs of the Atlantis, Performa, ect. Keep the design, but make it metal with heavy duty components and stick it on top of a dependable care.

Dependable Care did not do Maytag in, it was the Performas, Herrins, ect that leaked, burnt up pulleys, broke down, ect that caused people to bad mouth Maytag.

I love what Maytag had going, but it belong on the Dependable Cares and done in a manner where dependability took precedence.
 
When I moved into this house in 2005, I found high up on a shelf in the kitchen pantry a bunch of appliance owners manuals and installation manuals.
For the washer, dryer, garbage disposal, dishwasher,range, etc etc.
 
Key word above on today's youth is Parents. Some are selfish and don't nurture or discipline properly. No plan B, C, and or no plan A. Money isn't a reward, it's for granted. Parents in debt to the max. Silver spoon fed. Then when they have to fend on their own they are drug dealers and thieves. Eliminate the source. It's their own houses.
 
vacerator said:
Key word above on today's youth is Parents. Some are selfish and don't nurture or discipline properly. No plan B, C, and or no plan A. Money isn't a reward, it's for granted. Parents in debt to the max. Silver spoon fed. Then when they have to fend on their own they are drug dealers and thieves. Eliminate the source. It's their own houses.
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Indeed!
The situation of the youth is the downslide created by lack of decent parenting.
This is also helped by social media obsessions.
 
Iā€™m actually a parent, but all my kids are grown, my youngest is in the late 20s but I do have siblings with teens or younger kids. For example, my brother is 49 and his kids are 14, 17, and 20.

I can agree, some of the kids/young adults can be problematic, and parents often now wash their teenagerā€™s laundry for them.

As for magic chef, I donā€™t think they should've made laundry appliances anyways. They shouldā€™ve stuck with kitchen appliances which I think was the case until it was bought out by Maytag, correct me if Iā€™m wrong.

Maytag makes cheese in Newton, Iowa still I think, although I donā€™t think theyā€™ve ever been a division of Maytag Appliances plus the logo is different.
 
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I think the biggest problem with youth today is that they don't have much curiosity. Without curiosity, there's no drive to learn and grow. I was an insanely curious kid and drove people nuts because of it. I was also extremely hard driven, no one had to push me or light a fire under my ass in to pursue my interests, I did it myself.

I was doing laundry at 9 years old because I was very curious about the operation and machinery. Most of my friends had their mom or dad (who were single dads) doing their laundry up until college. They were completely ignorant about laundry, cooking, cleaning, auto repair and maintenance, small engine repair and maintenance, maintenance of appliances and HVAC equipment, diagnosing and fixing problems with all of the above. I was well versed in all of that before I graduated high school out of extreme curiosity and drive. Spent countless hours at the library before the internet existed.
 
In addition to violence in video games, and films maybe. Sean, or too much curiosity? The type of curiosity we had as kids is different than the type which puts kids in dangerous predicaments., other than electrocution perhaps. Maybe it's a different type of inquisitive intellect from genetic and personality development, if you catch my drift. We knew, but didn't know how or why we were different yet. Maybe that makes us less of a follower looking to others for curious discoveries. Of course that also went poorly un the 1980's and beyond once many hit puberty and began exploring for s e x in the wrong ways and places. None knew yet they were infected.
 
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Back when I went to High School, we had shop classes, - print shop, metal shop, electric/electronic shop, wood shop, drafting shop.
I took ALL those courses, and got high marks for them.
It allowed us guys to use our brains, our hands, and excersize our skills.
Since then, schools dropped such courses, concentrating on such things as computer cources.

I knew back then what I wanted to do as far as working, once I graduated in 1971.
I wanted to get right into a job that I liked, and start earning money, partly because I wanted to buy things, be self-sufficient, and also not having to deal with paying back some dumb tuition payback for years and years.
That was my firm focus that never wavered.
To me, that college crap was just one way of being on a merry-go-round of debt and misery.

It's funny, but tv shows like "Leave it to Beaver", etc., those "wholesome" American shows which led people to believe that it's the way you're "supposed" to live always mentioned college as some healthy thing to join.
Granted, the show taught good values to have - politeness, honesty, morals, being responsible and helpful to others, I'll give them that much.

But if you look at the college life, and have dreams of wealth, living the "high life", it's all benefitting those colleges, making you pay back tons of tuition money, in effect, working for them for a good part of your life.
They make it attractive to join of course, with Fraternities and Sororities, dorm life away from parents, etc.
Of course, young minds are attracted to those "exciting" things.
Just like any Marketing ploy would do.

I like my independency. my freedom, and not being bound or led to "follow the crowd".
Unlike my shoolmates who were led by the nose by their parents to join a college, and once finished, struggled to pay back tuitions by working at some shoe store or McDonalds flipping hamburgers.
 
Oh how many had lives like the fantasy Clevers? Higher education isn't for everyone, but it was for many. My spouse and son included. 34 years old, a successful I.T. developer, top ten in his tech. university class, A's and B's in Calculus, Physics, etc. Brand ew house, car, already traveled to Italy, and soon to be engaged. He just dropped a down payment on at least a full karat Marquis diamond in an 18k gold setting. He repaid every dollar of his student loans. His scholarship from high school was small.
 
I would say the year was 1997 with the introduction of the Neptune washer. Then things really got bad after Whirlpool gained for control of them in 2006. Once the Whirlpool architecture was fully integrated that was the end of Maytag reliability.
 
I told my neighbor the other day that my generation should have only had half as many kids as they did, and those kids should have only had one fourth as many as they did. She agrees.

That said, there are many good young people. A young lady that has been one of the managers at a Cracker Barrel here is fantastic. She just moved to Virginia though, to run one there. She will be missed. At the same location, there's a 17 year old guy working as a server who is very good, and the sweetest kid imaginable.
 
vacerator said:
Oh how many had lives like the fantasy Clevers? Higher education isn't for everyone, but it was for many. My spouse and son included. 34 years old, a successful I.T. developer, top ten in his tech. university class, A's and B's in Calculus, Physics, etc. Brand ew house, car, already traveled to Italy, and soon to be engaged. He just dropped a down payment on at least a full karat Marquis diamond in an 18k gold setting. He repaid every dollar of his student loans. His scholarship from high school was small.
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The bottom line about all this is..... buying into, and believing that riches, prominence, and status will lead to the ultimate happiness.
We all know that's a bunch of bullcrap.

If you step back and look at the big picture, it's all farmed by the elites, the CEO's, etc., determined to make society work to keep them rich.
It's about convincing society to believe that it's rewarding, good, to be conditioned, controlled. - And good things can happen for you.
All that studying, struggling, term papers, the crap jobs during the process, the milking of parents savings paying for kid's tuition.... maybe you'd get lucky, maybe not.

I'm content, comforable, and absolutely happy with the choices I've made, no regrets.
While I watch others squirm and continue to live in the world that they have chosen.
 
gelaundry4ever said:
I still don't get why people need wifi to do their laundry. To me, that's just lazy stupid.
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WiFi is not the big seller in appliances you may be thinking. Thatā€™s mostly on the upper trim levels. And those donā€™t sell in the high volumes like the mid and lower levels do. The few people buying WiFi appliances are doing it because they like the remote signals that loads are finished. Do you ā€œneedā€ it? No. Itā€™s a convenience factor. The WiFi mostly allows the manufacturer to upload firmware updates and track users. Many people do complain about the WiFi connection and often donā€™t seem to re-purchase it.
 
phillymatt53 said:
Exactly!
I've known for a LONG time how society's been "conditioned", controlled, to follow the set of "rules" implanted into their brains since they were toddlers.
We've all been exposed to that, and even I, as a teenager, was prone to believing what I was "supposed" to do, to say, what not to do, etc.
These days, the parents are passing that control on to their kids.
I woke up in my early 20s, and decided that I wasn't going to be a cookie-cutter model of that BS,
Some may call me a rebel, among other choice names. šŸ˜®
And I know that living in a world of programmed human "robots" isn't easy.

As for advertizing products - Glorifying something today is far beyond what marketing a product was decades ago.
Back then, features, styling, performance, was all realistic, polite, honest and truthful.
And what a customer wanted and a manufacturer provided.
Because Back THEN, brand names lived up to their slogens, cared about their reputations.
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Companies and brands were not as benevolent In the past as youā€™re ā€œremembering.ā€
 

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