I don't know how reliable this information is, but thought I would share it.
You Tube: Appliance brands to avoid
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phillymatt53
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Great video there.
However what's talked on it certainly doesn't surprise me.
The same goes for anything made today, particularly with those vulnerable "control boards", or feature-laden "smart" electronics.
The more complex something is, the more it's prone to issues.
Sadly, the consumer has to deal with the crap that's handed to them these days.
However what's talked on it certainly doesn't surprise me.
The same goes for anything made today, particularly with those vulnerable "control boards", or feature-laden "smart" electronics.
The more complex something is, the more it's prone to issues.
Sadly, the consumer has to deal with the crap that's handed to them these days.
Take a shot every time "Control Board Issues" is mentioned and you'll be wasted by the end of the video.
When buyers are ecstatic that their appliance lasts 5-7 years without a repair, that's a reflection about the quality of modern day appliances.
I'll just keep on running the vintage jewels until I draw my last breath.
When buyers are ecstatic that their appliance lasts 5-7 years without a repair, that's a reflection about the quality of modern day appliances.
I'll just keep on running the vintage jewels until I draw my last breath.
phillymatt53
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Consider this.......
You power a device from a simple on-off switch only.
It lasts for decades.
Then you power a device from a plethora or long string of electronic components that can likely become defective.... and try to find the bad component, while your frustration builds.
I like the Simple approach.
That’s the most ridiculous video I’ve ever seen almost nothing. The guy says is true.
And then he keeps going on with his owner experiences with multiple breakdowns in the first year where the owner is paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to repair a product under warranty that just doesn’t happen.
It’s not even worth hashing all the lies in this video. I love his case of the Bosch dishwasher that stops drying so they replaced the heating element a month later they replaced the motor it’s the same part, lol
And obviously, Maytag whirlpool Amana and KitchenAid Are about the same because they come out of the same factories, the Amana line is actually gonna be the most reliable product because it’s much simpler and less feature laden.
I stopped watching this complete fiction after the Maytag part. It’s just too insane even watch somebody that knows so little go on and on.
John L
And then he keeps going on with his owner experiences with multiple breakdowns in the first year where the owner is paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to repair a product under warranty that just doesn’t happen.
It’s not even worth hashing all the lies in this video. I love his case of the Bosch dishwasher that stops drying so they replaced the heating element a month later they replaced the motor it’s the same part, lol
And obviously, Maytag whirlpool Amana and KitchenAid Are about the same because they come out of the same factories, the Amana line is actually gonna be the most reliable product because it’s much simpler and less feature laden.
I stopped watching this complete fiction after the Maytag part. It’s just too insane even watch somebody that knows so little go on and on.
John L
As soon as I realized it was all AI voice, and when it kept saying "AMAHNA" and "owner insert experience" I lost interest, plus it listed basically every brand of appliance made.
It's clearly an AI narration, although perhaps a human wrote the script. I also noted that every major brand is disparaged in some way .. including the two recommended, Speed Queen and Miele. The silly "owner experience insert" scenarios tout the failed appliance as replaced with another disparaged brand.
Shows a Speed Queen with a membrane touch screen while mocking other brands that have touch screens. Minimal electronics ... all SQ topload washers now have two control boards. Family friends, neighbors across the street from my mother, have a TR5. She complained to me several months ago that it beeps repeatedly after a cycle ends until she whacks it atop the console.
Signed: Goofy Glenn
Its AI slop. Half of what he says isn't right or true. The idea or premise makes sense, but then half of it just isn't correct on a real or practical level.
phillymatt53
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I don't doubt that it's tailored propoganda designed to convince gullible consumers to buy certain things.
A.I. is BS.
Loved my Electrolux laundry pairs, but both of my Electrolux front load washers suffered seal and bearing failures right after the 5-year warranties expired. It was nice that Electrolux replaced my first washer as a courtesy, I only had to pay for shipping, delivery, and installation. However, the second one they sent me as a replacement, experienced the same issue. Oh! BTW, the matching dryer worked very well, but it's vent fan whistled loudly and could be heard a couple of blocks away.
Tell me you don’t know how electronics work, without telling me you don’t know how electronics work.
There are lots of safety, medical, military, automotive ELECTRONICS (reeeeeee!!!!!!!) that last decades and decades.
Why?
Because they’re designed to last, with high quality parts and backup designs.
Appliance electronics are designed today, cheaply for shareholder profit and super-easy manufacturing to keep cost down.
It’s not the electronics’ fault.
I know how electronics, vacuum tube and solid-state, work clear down to the atomic level. Now, if I could just figure out how to pair my phone to my new LG washer and dryer.
Eugene,
I’m not the most knowledgeable person regarding electronics, but I believe that to pair your phone with your LG washer and dryer you need to stand near both machines, then go to Bluetooth on your phone settings and then turn on the control panels of both the washer and dryer. Now look for both of these machines on the list of devices shown on your phones bluetooth screen and click each of them to pair them to your phone. I think if you give this a try you may be successful.
HTH
Eddie
Eddie, that's just what I did and it all went well, but the machines can't seem to find my internet access. Nothing else on my wireless network or phone has that problem. They just love to pick on old gay geezers.
Gee Eugene I don’t any other advice to offer. And I wholeheartedly agree with you that they do seem to love to pick onus old gay geezers! I have limited tolerance for computerized crap that doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do when you follow the directions given.
You could try calling LG, but that just may be another exercise in futility when you reach an agent in Cat Man Do and English is their second language.
Personally I don’t want or need any appliance that needs to be wi-fi capable. Give me dial, knob and switches that I can manually operate.
Good Luck!
Eddie
You could try calling LG, but that just may be another exercise in futility when you reach an agent in Cat Man Do and English is their second language.
Personally I don’t want or need any appliance that needs to be wi-fi capable. Give me dial, knob and switches that I can manually operate.
Good Luck!
Eddie
After you see all those brands listed and for refrigerators (which some admittedly are way to more high-tech than yo do what you buy a fridge for: cool, freeze, keep things cold and your food safe), washers and dryers (including our beloved all-mechanical control-Speed Queen?), then--...
--What is there new out there to actually BUY????!!!!
--What is there new out there to actually BUY????!!!!
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Even that simple power switch will at some point fail, though should be simpler to diagnose and repair... everything has life cycle expectations and design specs. The closer the designers got to the design limits, generally the shorter the life span of the part. And there's the odd "failed but we don't know why" situations to add to the mix. I have audio equipment that was well designed that still works perfectly at near 40 years old, and recall working on stuff in the 1970's-1980's that didn't last a year.
phillymatt53
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That's why using parts that are rated beyond a product's highest operating levels is simply good design practice.
And the designer has to choose from a parts vender who's got a solid reputation for quality, or come up with a part made in-house and tested for reliabilty and suitability.
Reaching for a reason ... maybe an incompatibility with your router? I've run into that problem on the 2.4Ghz band. The local teleco/ISP in my mother's town prohibits customers from providing equipment, only the ISP-issued is allowed (with a monthly fee, of course ... but I digress). A friend who lives wayyy out in the boonies comes to town monthly with his laptop to check his banking info via his aunt's WiFi. It suddenly wouldn't connect. He asked if he could use mom's WiFi. It worked there. We went to his aunt's house, to try troubleshooting the problem. He mentioned that the teleco ISP had changed the equipment several months earlier, around the time his laptop stopped connecting. Hmmm. I gave him an ethernet cable for using his laptop at his aunt's house.
A year-ish later, sister changed mom to the teleco ISP in preparation for moving in with her, due to the cable-based service being erratic (they don't invest in / maintain the infrastructure in that town very well). I immediately noticed when confirming the passwords on the teleco's equipment that my iPhone would connect to 5G but not to 2.4. Mom's thermostat also wouldn't connect. Sister added an EERO network to extend to the back yard and detached garage/game room. The thermostat (and my phone) can connect to 2.4 with the EERO, so something about the teleco equipment's 2.4 signal doesn't work with all devices. Thermostats and appliances often support only 2.4 (which reaches a further distance than 5G).
Signed: Goofy Glenn
phillymatt53
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Isn't modern technology just FABULOUS?
That is when it "works" the way YOU expect it to!
Because people that "bought into" this "latest" tech are complaining daily about things that you just mentioned.
God forbid you use a browser that's not updated, or a PC/laptop/phone that's not current.
I smile whenever I hear someone complain about stuff like this, and am glad that I've been able to live my life without having to deal with all the crap that it involves.
I don't need or require my home thermostat to reach into the internet world to check on it's status.
Or any of my home appliances either.
I'm not that lazy to physically get up and turn my dishwasher on.
Once a person "buys into" all that wonderful technology, they're spoiled, dependant, addicted, and like all puppets, controlled.
You are exhausting at this point.
We get it. You hate technology.
Enjoy your stone cave.
The usual reason is the router is configured to use dual band (2.4ghz + 5ghz) wifi with a shared SSID and band steering, but the device you want to connect to it only supports 2.4ghz. (If the LG washing machine supports 5ghz, then it is not the issue, so ignore this)
Usually, temporarily disabling 5ghz on the router will allow the device to pair and be configured. And once configured, the 5ghz can be turned back on the router and the device will still successfully connect to the 2.4ghz band.
The trouble is a lot of ISP provided routers (certainly those supplied by ISPs here in the UK anyway), have a highly simplified/ stupified user interface and either don't allow you to disable 5ghz, or don't allow you to split the bands, or a previous ISP provided one insisted on adding a _2ghz and _5ghz to the SSID if you split the bands, which meant I would have to change the SSID on every wifi device on the network to configure it that way.
The solution I used was to temporarily configure the phone I had as a 2.4ghz wifi access point, copying the SSID and password from the router, turn the router wifi off, and pair the device to my phone, to set its wifi, then turn off the access point on my phone and re-enable the one on the router,
That's all good for you. Everyone in the world doesn't fit the same scenario. I need the ability to check mom's thermostat from afar. It's how I determined there was a system problem a couple years ago in January (heating season). I noticed that the auxiliary resistance heat engaged within seconds of cycling on, which isn't normal operation. Ambient temp was above any need for auxiliary and there's no way the room temp would immediately be lagging far enough below the setpoint to trigger it. An evaporator leak (covered by the 10yr warranty), low refrigerant caused a lock-out on the compressor. Mom would never have noticed the problem until 1) a higher-than-normal heating electric bill arrived, or 2) the system would be non-functional for cooling a few months later.
Signed: Goofy Glenn
phillymatt53
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It's nice that you take the time for mom's benefit, the old saying is "You only get one mother"
How far away is your mom's home?
And is it within driving distance?
Which was at #1?
Too many appliances have stupid electronics.
AI is stupid!
Absolutely agree! Smart appliances are stupid crap!
phillymatt53
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Ah, I beg to differ there Jerome, smart appliances, and phones are smart.
It's the humans who use them are stupid.
Think: The Dumbing Down Of America - by way of technology.
mrb627
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Hearing an AI generated voice bashing electronics is priceless, though...
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