whirlpool harvest gold Super Capacity w double duty super Surgilator

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smoochies189

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my 1968 harvest gold whirlpool Super Capacity 18 pound washer with a double duty super Surga later agitator. it came with the original surgilator but I had an extra double duty lying around so decided change it out to see how it would work. When I got this machine I had to totally restore mechanically working under it. The magic clean lint filter could not be saved and I could not find another one so I found parts Emmanuel filter on it. Not exactly what I wanted to do but I wanted to make it as operational as possible so had to make a few minor changes. Also previous owner destroy timer dial which took me forever to find a new one. After 11 years of searching I recently found one Thank God told electors!

 
Hey Smoochies, your washer did not have the original (27 gallon) washbasket Super SURGILATOR agitator? The one that has the 'higher' straight/ wavy-vanes...

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yes it did come with the regular agitator in it the one that's in there now is just an extra double duty that I had laying around I will try reposting the videos again
 
 
Photo 1, harvest machine, is an LDA series, 1976-1977.  Model tag pic doesn't show the serial number, which will date it to the year and week of manufacture.
 
If I am correct, the original tall Super Surgilator needs a tall post transmission....to which, if this was from 1968, a Double Duty version would not fit.......

1978 is more closer to it, since they used the same trannies for both size tubs.....both large and exlarge capacity agitators would work, not to mention several from the Kenmore lineup...

further more, the vids still don't work...get with the program.....wouldn't hurt to fill in your profile as well.....

you can also start a collection page, and post all of your machines there to share with everyone...you can check out other members collections as well....
 
I'll switch the agitator out and show you that it does work. And it does have the long post and shaft.the second link I posted of the machine running seems to work fine for me. But I'm also doing all this on a smartphone.

http://click HERE TO GO TO smoochies189's LINK
 
It's a LDA!!!

Hey Smoochies, why don't you have any 'money shots'---agitator in tub? Or, any pics of the agitators, the fun factors. Also, your video is 'private', I could not look at it. And last, please make some videos with the original Super SURGILATOR agitator, the high/long straight vanes seem to make a difference in the design oppose to the standard Surgilator agitator. Those vanes look like they give the extra large and large loads a thrashing. They're no videos of the LDA original SURGILATOR in action ANYWHERE!!!
 
Late 70s WP Washer Agitators

Are ALL the same on ALL full sized washers in the WP LDA and LFA models.

 

When we were selling these machines new we got a few complaints about washing performance in the 27 gallon machines, this is why WP came out with the Double-Duty-Super-Surglitor for the LHA 1980 machines.
 
Hey Smoochies, the video is still blocked and private. Just post the videos on YouTube and we can see them there. I'd like to download them to my computer...
 
Smoochies, is this your surgilator, the first one? Check out the previous pic of the agitator closer, the upper straight vanes 'flare out' and 'extend higher' on the other SURGILATOR.

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AWESOME

Those are very nice videos Smoochies. Now you need the 27 gallon Super SURGILATOR agitator...THESE high vanes will really 'swish and slosh' the laundry back and forth then pull it down with force. Thanks for the videos, keep'em coming...

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Late 70s WP Washer Agitators

Thank You Glen, you are correct the Double Duty Surglator did come out in the LFA Super Capacity models, I was incorrect when I said it did not appear till the 1980 LHA models.

 

Hi Harry, there was only one agitator for WP 27 gallon washers that had bigger fins, it was the black Bakelite agitator used in the orignal 27 gallon machines which either came out in 67 or 8 and by 1970 was changed to a regular SS agitator that had the same fin area only the post was higher.
 
John, this is whats puzzling me.....

when did they change to the short post tubs?....this is a pic of my 79 digital machine....and the 83 Whirlpool has the same one

for one thing, I was finding out that the DoubleDuty agitator would fit both capacities, large and exlarge.....

AND, standard capacity agitators, like Kenmores RotoSwirl would fit the exlarge capacity tub.....

I thought the change to the tub and all of them using the same tranny for both sizes was around 1975...

in that gold machine, he must be using a 4 port pump to power that waterfall filter, a bit too powerful.....wonder if a restrictor could be used to tone it down some...

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Hey John and Yogi, John I do remember that the 1968 black Bakelite agitator was the real original surgilator...I meant original for the design...when was this (pics) Super SURGILATOR introduced and put in the 27 gallon washtubs?
And, I thought that this agitator would be in Smoochies LDA-7800 washer not, the standard size one...I mean it is different, not a big difference...the (upper) long flared straight vanes enhances the agitation for extra large loads right...better than the standard one, it seems

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SURGILATING

Smoochies, can you make a video of your gold LDA-7800 Whirlpool Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator 'surgilating' an extra large load? And, what do you think of the other posts?
 
Martin's question about the centerpost height

Martin -

To answer your question to John, the centerpost was shortened 5 or 6 inches in very early 1978, maybe even on 1/1/78. This involved 24-inch machines, 29-inch standard capacity, AND 29-inch large capacity models such that they all continued to use the same length spin tubes.

This change did not effect the transmission shafts or the agitators. A length change that did though happened on the large capacity +- 27 gallon models in late 1973, which also changed the centerpost height. Prior to this, these large cap. machines had their own centerpost length, their own spin tube length, and their own agitators. Kenmore had been using a large Super Roto-Swirl for several years, and WP used the S Surgilator, which as John said just had a lengthened centerpost, I don't think it was much different in lower skirt or fin area, etc. This change shortened the agitator shaft to be common with the standard capacity models, thus the same gearcases could be used in all models, and therefore all the agitators in use at the time became interchangeable.

In total, the 27-gallon large capacity machines had three centerpost and spin tube lengths during their production:

Version 1, the tallest from 1967-1973, which started with the whopper black bakelite agitators and later the big Roto-Swirl, and tall but otherwise the same Super Surgilator.

Version 2, which dimensionally matched standard capacity models from late 1973 to 1978. The centerpost, spin tube, and gearcase shaft of the large machines were all shortened to match then current production standard machines. This was when the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl were developed, and when WP started using the standard-looking Super Surgilator in their big capacity machines.

Version 3, in which the centerpost and spin tube was shortened 5 more inches from 1978 to summer 1981. This change was strictly "under agitator" and nobody could see this unless you pull the agitator, and no new agitators were developed due to this change. These machines are immediately obvious when the agitator is removed as much of the agitator shaft, that is covered in the older models, is now exposed.

The 27-gallon sized machine ended production in summer 1981 in favor of the 22-gallon "Energy Efficient" belt-drive. These again used the same centerposts, basket drives, and transmissions with the standard machines, and even the same baseplates this time.

Clear as mud?

Gordon
 
Thanks Gordon......

this explains a lot......and clearly at that.....I couldn't remember exactly what year they started with the short center post to match all machine to use one style of spin tubes and agitators, no matter what tub was inserted into the machine...

as we talked before over the agitators that would fit either capacity tubs.....this only added to our fun of interchanging them for different effects of wash patterns...basically all you need is one machine to try out different ones...small or large....

just always found the Surgilator would handle large loads with ease...when it came to Kenmores, no matter what agitator, seemed to work best at 2/3 or less of its capacity...mainly because their vanes were at the bottom only.....until the Dual Action came out.....Surprised they didn't combine the base of a 6 vane RotoFlex, with the Spirals of a DA
 
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