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I would agree. The documentation seems wrong for the cycle guide. Check out the guide for the 104, that seems more accurate. 104 cycle guide IDK who has been doing Whirlpool Corp’s manuals and documentation the past several years, but it’s hot garbage.

This is the problem with the internet. All the village oddities find each other and scream to everyone else that "they're the problem. And only the "truth" can be found through "them." What a bunch of messiah complexes. I move for @Alan to close the thread.

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That's what I was kinda thinking too, Michael. I am guessing they re-calibrated the Normal cycle to run much shorter when light/no soil is sensed. And if the load is dirtier, it switches to a longer Normal wash or adds a pre-wash. Since this WP is brand new, I wonder if the new cycle programming...

Oh gosh, these made-up cycle sequences again......sigh. That is an 11.25 gallon cycle. That is ridiculous in 2025 for a "normal" wash. Even the venerable PowerClean could do a fine job in just 6.5 gallons. I don't know what you're on about, but I won't agree to it. Nope, nein, no, nie, لا...

Oh nice, there it is. The new model with yellow accents. Looks nice. Looks like a good unit, coming close to the upper level Maytag or low level KitchenAid model. You can see the big motor in rear view. Surprising Key Features: - 90 minute Normal Wash cycle, a full hour less than the old...

So cyincal.... Here's more evidence that I don't think sites like Abt remove negative reviews. It's in their best interest to only sell the best appliances. They sell and fix their own stuff, which means if they sell poor performing appliances, it's more money lost for them in service and...

Steal what? What was stolen?

Why don't you buy my broken KUDS25 PowerClean KitchenAid Jerome? You can finally learn about actual appliances, and fix it up and learn how they go together. Then you'll finally, FINALLY have your big beefy motor and lots of splashy water that can scrub the Ford building (Lmao, which they are...

That's a real neat calculator, and it's calculations seem to match the observed behavior of the D23's main wash thermal hold and my tap temp. One of the reasons I got the KUDS25 a few years ago, besides a fun restore and getting a more economical and sensor-run machine again, is the WP heated...

I'll second what you mentioned in the OP. The BOL builder grade GEs and Hotpoints. Primarily for their racks. Their layout looks terrible, and they're vinyl racks that once they knick, they rust really quickly. They're also flimsy AF, but perform well. I used to say Frigidaire but I've been...

This is such BS. KitchenAid and other makes were constantly working on saving energy and water way back in the 1970s. Energy and water is expensive in many markets, and if they can get their appliances to use a bit less than the competition, that is a SALES advantage to the company, and a...

Hi @cam2s , with this thread coming back to life, I forgot to reply to you. Sorry for the delay. From what I can observe, the timer will pause advancing while still washing, and heat the water to some target temp. So that’s actually the new WP logic. It’s approx. 8min after the thermostat...

Thanks but No thanks. It works fine as it is. You got rid of all the cycle options?????? No.

Correct, the Whirlpool brand models don't use the Power Filter module. They use a passive filter cup and wet rotor motor. Taking two hours doesn't matter when 95% of the population does their dishes at night, and runs the cycle overnight. It especially doesn't matter when dishwashers are so...

Let's not solely blame the EPA, a popular boogeyman for so many here. Market forces, yummy free market capitalism also drove manufacturers to put smaller quieter motors in their machines. Don't forget! Many many familes were purchasing large, open concept homes in the late 90s and 2000s, and...

At this point my replies are more for those browsing to this site, looking for good data, since Jerome is impervious to evidence. This is the "Dual Power Filtration" motor and pump assembly for Whirlpool products. The motor label reads: .175 Horsepower. 3,380 RPM. Circulation Pump W10902589

Once again, all yap and no action. Go search for a vintage KitchenAid or PowerClean machine and install that. You're not going to find a new machine these days that does not alternate it's arms. I fear you're up for a life of stress and dissapointment. Best to seek a professional for guidance.

No it’s not the pumps they use. Size doesn’t always matter Jerome. If you’re SO concerned about motor size, get a new Maytag or KitchenAid with the Power filtration. Those still have a large, 1/5hp motor.

Then it was clearly broken. But don’t let any of our firsthand knowledge get in the way of your opinions.