12/21/2012

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My Dear Sandy.

Not many people have a clue as to what we do in a State Archives.

You have put it in a perfect explanation.

Are you an Archivist also?

If not you should be.
 
I'm a school librarian, which used to be something like an archivist. Now, I'm used mainly for crowd control and "how to surf the Internet good" lessons...22 days and counting!
 
problems? yes

I never once said there was never a problem with the education. The problem, however, does not completely fall on the hands of the teachers. There indeed are some terrible teachers out there who should never have been allowed to set foot on a campus. That is true of every profession. I'm sure there are archivists who's time would be better spent locked in a cave never to be seen or heard from again. Does that mean that it's every archivist's fault because of that bad one? Of course not and the same goes for education and teachers. The only reason I spoke up in this particular forum is that I do feel I know a bit about how the education system works at least in Texas. Ask any teacher why they did or didn't teach something and they will tell you that it is all set up by the district or state what goes into their curriculum. Quite frankly, if someone is a grown adult and they never learned how to right a check then who's fault is it really? I doubt it was the shortcomings of their 3rd grade math teacher.

The point I've been making in all of my comments, none of which contained name-calling, etc. has been that if we are going to blame people for eduation system failure then be fair about it. Do a little research and make that an educated decision on who's fault it is rather than just point it at the few people you deal with. A lot of teachers are out there trying really hard to make it work and are hitting brick walls every time. Their hands are tied.

I would also encourage those of you who really do have problems with the system to really make an effort to do something about it rather than just spill your disgust out on this chatroom. The complaining will get us nowhere unless we turn those complaints into actions. This is not about "getting someone's back." This is not about taking sides. It's about being smart adults who can take serious matters into their own hands and make a difference. It's a big part of why I do the job I do, providing honors for fallen soldiers. Now I've done my time with that and I'm ready to move on.
 
YAY! 22 days!

It's a hard world in the pubic school system. It is easy to get burned out. As I mentioned, I am not sure I will stay there forever, but I guess I'm still young and ideal (some would say naive). However, I think summer vacation will do us all in the field a great service. :)
 
Jonathan:

I hope I was fair in my statements about what I perceive to be wrong. We have some problematic teachers, some problematic administrators, and quite a few misguided politicians.

But we also have parents- far too many- who think that having children is about a parent's emotional convenience; they don't perceive child-rearing as the vast responsibility that it is. They know babies are cute, so they have one (or several), leaving the staggeringly hard work of teaching manners and morals to take care of itself. They don't check homework, they don't know who their kids are hanging about with, they don't know where their kids are after school, they don't know who their kids' teachers are, unless they're contacted about a disciplinary matter. The children of such parents are often emotionally troubled and difficult to govern, let alone teach.

Having a child should be about love of the child, in both its unconditional and tough forms. Having babies to force a marriage, or to feel more grown-up, or to please parents who want grandchildren- or any of the other myriad bad reasons for having children- is a great part of what's wrong. If you don't have the time, the money, the energy and the smarts to help a new life reach its potential, you don't have any business having a kid, let alone inflicting its presence on hapless schoolteachers and an already overwhelmed system.

For some damn reason, you have to have a licence to have a puppy. You don't have to have anything at all to have a child, not even common sense. Nothing I've said here should be construed as a criticism of the many people who do take child-bearing and child-rearing seriously, and whose children are well-educated and well-behaved. But I see so many kids who have been hung out to dry by parents who think that so long as they shove a cell phone into the kids' hands and keep them in clothes, they've done their job.
 
Although the small public school in my town has suffered tremendous cuts in programming and staffing due to a combination of factors (lack of state funding, decreasing enrollment), it still offers an excellent (if more limited) education to students who choose to do the work asked of them.

Rather than attack teachers, Greg, why not ask these questions:

1) Who are the administrators/school board members hiring all these unqualified teachers in your area and why do THEY still have their jobs?

2) Dave, to what do you attribute the decline of your job satisfaction as a librarian? Is it simply the fault of the teaching staff, or are there other factors? The librarian at our school is a close friend and he does an amazing job with students who are researching for assignments and papers. He steers them to reference materials, higher quality Web sites (rather than getting info from "dot com" garbage), and runs an accelerated reader program for elementary students which has helped raise reading scores in standardized tests. He loves his job, but is frustrated with the loss of support staff and budgets for new books, materials, etc., due to budget cuts.

3) Greg and Dave, from a quick viewing of your profiles here, I see we are roughly the same age (I'm 49), so we all graduated within about five years of each other. I'm willing guess you were both in the top half of your graduating class and that your grades were good. Why? I'll bet your parents expected (demanded, even) you to do your work and do it well. Mine certainly did. I came home with a B- in a science class once and the hammer came down. Sadly, a lack of good parenting leads to kids not doing their work because their parents don't care, so neither do they.

And while we were (again, I'm assuming) motivated students who did well, think back on your graduating class and recall those who did poorly, academically. They often had trade skills classes (building trades, various shop classes, auto mechanics) to steer them toward good careers in those fields. Many schools---again, like the one in my town--- have been forced to cut these tech classes due to budget issues.

4) I know every educator is not a master teacher. Of course they aren't, and we all know that. I just took great offense at your wholesale dismissal of teachers and pushing the blame for everything wrong with public schools on to them. Teachers in public schools deal with issues you have no idea about unless you are in the trenches with them. Go teach in a public school for an entire school year, then tell where you think the systemic problems stem from.

5) Naturally, students at private schools---and home-schooled kids---should be excelling. They don't have to deal with students who have all the at-risk factors the public schools are FORCED to deal with. There are public school classrooms where only 30% of the students speak English as their primary language. There are as many as five or six different primary languages in a classroom. How does a single teacher deal with that? How can there possibly be high-quality learning going on? Public schools deal with vast numbers of families living well below the poverty line. Again, these are factors private schools and home-schools don't have to contend with---at least not to the same extent---as public schools.

Most parents who can afford to send their kids to private schools care greatly about education and are invested in their kids' progress. I know of very few kids from private schools who flunk out, mainly because their the products of good parenting, not because the quality of the teachers is so much greater. Public schools would shine, too, if they could turn away the bottom 50% of students. They can't, by law.
 
Danemodsandy

I think you are absolutely right in your statements that you just posted. You spoke about exactly what I've been saying. We can't blame just one section of the public school system. It's parts of the entire system as a whole that need to be improved or even dismantled and rebuilt. There truely is no one person or level to blame. It's everywhere. Part of me thinks that this discussion became heated, not because of passionate views, but because one person demanded to be seen as correct and everyone else incorrect. I am most certainly not the end-all-know-all here but I am a smart guy that can look at the whole picture before hastily casting his vote and imposing it on others. That takes something more than any education can provide and that is common sense.

I really do appreciate what you wrote.
 
My dissatisfaction (currently) is purely a situational problem. I switched school districts at the beginning of this school year because I knew that I was at a professional and personal crossroads. I either needed to leave the profession (of teaching and public education), segue into administration (what could I have been thinking?? Crack fumes in the atmosphere, I suspect..)or make the best of a poor educational system here in SC and "suck it up".

I have been increasingly unhappy with my profession for some time, mostly driven by all of the extra accountability and patent BS that "NCLB" has heaped upon this profession. I'm all for accountability, but a lot of those needless regulations and paper shuffling etc. have just taken a lot of the joy out of teaching.

Added to that is the almost impossible task of trying to effectively discipline students who are born of parents who, as students, couldn't be disciplined in school effectively. A lot of this is the current psycho-babble of teaching kids that they do no wrong, and that they should always feel good about themselves, even after they've done wrong. Added to that a TV culture of Bart Simson sassiness and the depiction of all adults as idiots who need to be raised by their teenagers, and you've got the recipe for today's tweens and teens, whom I have the honor and privilege of teaching for the next 21 days.

The relationship between teachers and parents is confrontational like I've never experienced. There is a tremendous amount of defensiveness on both sides, and so much less partnership and teamwork in attempting to get a child to see and be remorseful of the error of his/her ways.

Kids are kids...they need to be treated like children and not "friends" and adults in miniature. Can you imagine your grandmother or mother talking to her teacher like kids speak to their teachers (or parents) these days?? If my teacher told my Dad I did something in school that needed correction at home, he didn't question her veracity, he dealt with it by means of an effectively-placed red leather belt. It didn't kill me, it taught me. I don't advocate beating children..if the past 15 years have taught me anything it's that you can't beat goodness into a child. "Train up your children as you would have them live"...and all of that stuff. It all starts at home at a very early age. I don't raise 'em, I just teach 'em...ya know??

Popular culture has a lot of teens and younger children thinking and beliving that they're adults in miniature...sexy adult clothes on kids as young as 10, cell phones, I-Pods, their own choice in virtually everything, including the images that they look on TV and video games.

These type of things used to be the exclusive property and provenance of adults, who had worked to pay for the privilege of making their own choices. We treat our kids like adults...cater to them and try like hell to make them our "friends"; a way to feel less guilty about the dwindling amount of time we're able to spend with them when we're busy trying to work 2 jobs to be able to afford gas and the mortgage and food on the table and the plethora of electronic toys and gotta-haves thrust upon us nightly in 30 second sound bites.
 
Thank you

drhardee, In reflection I may have been wrong to attack all teachers without regard for those brave souls such as Will. The system has failed. No doubt.

The day I wrote my angry post I was indeed angry. A complaint had been put against me. By a 6th grade teacher. She was upset and mad. She was working on her genealogy and I had the nerve to point out to her that her ancestors were not enslaved in 1880.

The Federal census record showed her ancestors work role as "Laborer". She took that to mean they were still slaves on a plantation.

I pointed out that slavery ended in 1863 or 1865 depending on what part of the nation one might be in.

She went batshit crazy and screamed at me that I didn't know anything about african american history.

I just gave her the key to terms for the index and asked her to read it. She got mad and stormed out...to file a complaint.

Her complaint was that she was an "educator" and how dare I tell her about American history. And I have to be called on the carpet to explain myself.

If anyone here thinks I am an "asshole" for my comments then so be it. My calling someone a "jackass" makes reference to someone being stubborn and unwilling. Calling me an "asshole" moves into another realm. Certainly call me arrogant if you wish. I want to get your complete attention to the lesson at hand.

I still take the position that I will not lower standards. Ever. You learn the lesson or we shall repeat it, word for word.

And on closing, I am the second most called on to give lectures or talks. The first is my partner who is receiving a lifetime achievement award tomorrow from the Humanities Council for his work in our States history. We both work at Archives. They do not recognize us legally so they cannot hold our relationship against us in the workplace.

I wish Will could be in attendance. He is someone I would like to get to know.

By the way...Thanks Sandy, small world. Who would have known.
 
Congratulations to your partner! I think it would be intriguing to attend and hear of his accomplishments. Alas, I have class. We are taking the children to the middle school for a transition trip. Should make for an interesting day…
 
OK, it's my turn. And since the accusation was made in public, I will, in turn, reply in public.

Greg, I apologize for calling you an asshole in my initial post. I felt you made some wildly arrogant, ill-informed and uncalled-for generalizations about teachers, and I replied in an undiplomatic fashion. As is usually the case, two wrongs don't make a right.

If you peruse my other postings at this site, you'll find I'm not usually a combative person. In this case, however, your comments and attitude really hit a nerve and I fired back with even less tact and respect than you had shown.

I applaud your appeal for high standards, but please remember that the rest of humanity is a) not perfect, and b) often working in extremely difficult circumstances you might not fully appreciate.

Just as you had a complaint filed against you, many teachers deal with that very thing every day for having the audacity to expect their students to turn in quality work on time and to behave respectfully. Several of my friends are teachers and they are often called in to an administrators office to be humiliated and yelled at by parents who refuse to understand their child has a D in English because he/she turning in substandard work, or not turning it in at all.

Many fine teachers are frustrated by the public's fully understandable expectation for improved student performance, while at the same time not receiving the administrative and parental support to bring that goal to fruition.

I also want you to know I certainly value your work as an archivist. It's an important and often over-looked profession. I would imagine that, as is the plight with public schools, you also face state/federal budget cuts and staffing reductions that make your job more difficult.

It's foolish for me to think any of this will change your view of teachers---you made your stance on the subject abundantly clear---but I hope that in the future you'll be a little more understanding of what other people have to deal with in their chosen professions.
 
It went very well, Thank you.

He was very suprised when he got the letter from the Governor. I knew about it last fall. They contacted me to get information regarding his career. He will be beaming for some time to come, understandably. I'm very happy for him that he finally got the attention he derserves.
 

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