Is there any laundry detergent similar to Woolite in Europe? I want to wash my TB silk shirts, but don't want anything harsh. Thanks in advance.
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kenmoreguy89
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Of course?
There is Woolite of course, and there are thousands wool wash products powders and liquids.....at least here....from famous brands to the store brand which are just as good...
Perhaps the other most known brand europewide is henkel's Perwoll, but it change name upon the country, Mir in france,Perlana in Italy etc... it's available in powder and liquid.
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There is Woolite of course, and there are thousands wool wash products powders and liquids.....at least here....from famous brands to the store brand which are just as good...
Perhaps the other most known brand europewide is henkel's Perwoll, but it change name upon the country, Mir in france,Perlana in Italy etc... it's available in powder and liquid.
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kenmoreguy89
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Just a random few availble in this country
http://catalogo.verdi.biz/images/product/pre/64303.jpg
http://www.e-panorama.it/content/uploads/detersivo-lana_3008892.jpg
http://www.smollshoponline.com/imag..._detersivo_bucato_lana_e_delicati_1_lt_01.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0820389_3.jpg
http://www.drugstore.it/media/catal...8eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/1/119391_4.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0790322_3.jpg
http://www.drugstore.it/media/catal...8eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/6/365933_4.jpg
https://rsbackend.blob.core.windows...ana-e-delicati-Mister-doc_8d089af011bc0dc.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0839925_1.jpg
http://www.happycasa.nelsito.it/u/images/3976.jpg
Etc.......[this post was last edited: 8/17/2014-21:24]
http://catalogo.verdi.biz/images/product/pre/64303.jpg
http://www.e-panorama.it/content/uploads/detersivo-lana_3008892.jpg
http://www.smollshoponline.com/imag..._detersivo_bucato_lana_e_delicati_1_lt_01.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0820389_3.jpg
http://www.drugstore.it/media/catal...8eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/1/119391_4.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0790322_3.jpg
http://www.drugstore.it/media/catal...8eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/6/365933_4.jpg
https://rsbackend.blob.core.windows...ana-e-delicati-Mister-doc_8d089af011bc0dc.jpg
http://media.emilione.it/media/cata...c774ef9df19cd7b8d91427b/a/s/asp-0839925_1.jpg
http://www.happycasa.nelsito.it/u/images/3976.jpg
Etc.......[this post was last edited: 8/17/2014-21:24]
kenmoreguy89
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If you let us know where you're direct to, we might suggest you what to look for:
In german detergent for wool is: Fein Waschmittel-wolwasschmittel
In french: lessive laine (in france perwoll is called Mir, in Italy Perlana)
in spanish: detergente para la lana... (in spain perwoll is Perlan)
in italian: detersivo lana/delicati
in dutch: wolwasmiddel
In german detergent for wool is: Fein Waschmittel-wolwasschmittel
In french: lessive laine (in france perwoll is called Mir, in Italy Perlana)
in spanish: detergente para la lana... (in spain perwoll is Perlan)
in italian: detersivo lana/delicati
in dutch: wolwasmiddel
There are,
but either shampoo (non-medicated), or hand dishwashing liquid will do just as well. The three are all "light duty" detergents, sharing many of the same chemicals.
If you really, really want to, "Perwoll," and "Perwoll Dark" are it.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
but either shampoo (non-medicated), or hand dishwashing liquid will do just as well. The three are all "light duty" detergents, sharing many of the same chemicals.
If you really, really want to, "Perwoll," and "Perwoll Dark" are it.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
kenmoreguy89
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Woolite is actually now present in most of Europe, and anyway imported in other countries from the nearby ones, this especially in some countries of EE, even if it's not meant to be directly sold there.... hence, there is woolite in Europe.
A little history:
The Woolite as we know it today has european origins, and in some countries was called differently, ie Lip in Italy, Perla in Poland...etc...
Woolite we buy today is not the "orignal" woolite, Woolite brand was purchased by the German-Dutch and British, now fully British, Reckitt benckiser in 1990, this from the purchase of the American home products's division Boyle midway company, and now is another product than what it was.
In Italy for example we had Lip, and there was also the original Woolite in the blue and white package, Lip and Woolite were the 2 leading brands for wool washing, Lip was made by Mira Lanza, Mira Lanza was purchased in 1988 by Reckit benckiser, they kept making the stuff under the brand Lip, then after the purchase of the Woolite brand in 1990, Woolite disappeared for awhile, Lip became the only leading one, he had no more competitors, later in 1999 the woolite brand appeared on market again, but at this time it became the same thing of Lip, this because they gathered both Lip and and Woolite brands for the same product, and so they did in pretty much all the Europe (where they had sold their product for the wool) and promoted in where before it was not known, this to make just one brand to be known "worldwide"... this is one of the Reckit Benckiser's goals for their "historical", both acquired and not, brands. Infact, the same happened with Calgon... before it changed name from country to country, now is Calgon everywhere you go, Finish as well...it was called neophos, electrasol (in the US), etc...now they made it just one brand for all so Finish...
Now in Italy both Woolite brand and Lip are printed on the same package, even though there is really no need anymore to do so as people got it after 15 years, the same happens for example in Poland where they have Woolite and Perla on the same bottles as I mentioned...
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A little history:
The Woolite as we know it today has european origins, and in some countries was called differently, ie Lip in Italy, Perla in Poland...etc...
Woolite we buy today is not the "orignal" woolite, Woolite brand was purchased by the German-Dutch and British, now fully British, Reckitt benckiser in 1990, this from the purchase of the American home products's division Boyle midway company, and now is another product than what it was.
In Italy for example we had Lip, and there was also the original Woolite in the blue and white package, Lip and Woolite were the 2 leading brands for wool washing, Lip was made by Mira Lanza, Mira Lanza was purchased in 1988 by Reckit benckiser, they kept making the stuff under the brand Lip, then after the purchase of the Woolite brand in 1990, Woolite disappeared for awhile, Lip became the only leading one, he had no more competitors, later in 1999 the woolite brand appeared on market again, but at this time it became the same thing of Lip, this because they gathered both Lip and and Woolite brands for the same product, and so they did in pretty much all the Europe (where they had sold their product for the wool) and promoted in where before it was not known, this to make just one brand to be known "worldwide"... this is one of the Reckit Benckiser's goals for their "historical", both acquired and not, brands. Infact, the same happened with Calgon... before it changed name from country to country, now is Calgon everywhere you go, Finish as well...it was called neophos, electrasol (in the US), etc...now they made it just one brand for all so Finish...
Now in Italy both Woolite brand and Lip are printed on the same package, even though there is really no need anymore to do so as people got it after 15 years, the same happens for example in Poland where they have Woolite and Perla on the same bottles as I mentioned...
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kenmoreguy89
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For furher informations on Mira Lanza for those interested, I link this website, linked to be automatically translated with google....
It's quite interesting even if it's not complete or even totally correct for many informations given.
http://translate.google.it/translat...hs=m13&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&channel=sb
It's quite interesting even if it's not complete or even totally correct for many informations given.
http://translate.google.it/translat...hs=m13&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&channel=sb
Thank you kenmoreguy89. The pictures are a big help. I will be mostly in Italy, with washers and dryers in the rented villas. Thanks to all of you who responded.
Woolite, Lip, Dreft, FEWA, Whatever
All grew out of what were the first petrol chemical based detergents (anionic surfactants). These were then called "light duty" products and replaced soap for everything from dishwashing (by hand) to fine laundry and *light* general housecleaning.
Anionic surfactants like soap are highly frothing and fair to good at removing/dissolving oil, grease, fats, etc... Unlike soap they are not affected by hard water minerals which at the time was a welcomed difference. Also AS are neutral to only slightly alkaline in water which is good for cleaning protein fibers such as wool, silk and even human hair or skin. Soap OTOH is always alkaline in water.
AS while can be made into liquids with the addition of water, are normally white crystals, powder or flakes. Just what one found in those boxes of Dreft, tins of Woolite and so forth.
As time went on these so called "light duty" detergents began to blend nonionic surfactants along with a host of other substances. My boxes of vintage Woolite for machine washing contains washing soda and IIRC OBAs.
For this reason many washing wool or silk prefer to seek out clear or white opaque dishwashing liquids. The Ivory Liquid of old was hugely popular in many conservation and fine laundry circles. Also sought out were Octagon dishwashing liquid (in the white or yellow bottles), and even Palmolive.
Today due to the adulterations in many "fine laundering" products no small number of persons both professional and otherwise seek out Orvus paste. Originally designed and marketed as a shampoo for livestock the stuff is pure SLS. This is why persons seek it out, they know it contains just that and nothing else.
All grew out of what were the first petrol chemical based detergents (anionic surfactants). These were then called "light duty" products and replaced soap for everything from dishwashing (by hand) to fine laundry and *light* general housecleaning.
Anionic surfactants like soap are highly frothing and fair to good at removing/dissolving oil, grease, fats, etc... Unlike soap they are not affected by hard water minerals which at the time was a welcomed difference. Also AS are neutral to only slightly alkaline in water which is good for cleaning protein fibers such as wool, silk and even human hair or skin. Soap OTOH is always alkaline in water.
AS while can be made into liquids with the addition of water, are normally white crystals, powder or flakes. Just what one found in those boxes of Dreft, tins of Woolite and so forth.
As time went on these so called "light duty" detergents began to blend nonionic surfactants along with a host of other substances. My boxes of vintage Woolite for machine washing contains washing soda and IIRC OBAs.
For this reason many washing wool or silk prefer to seek out clear or white opaque dishwashing liquids. The Ivory Liquid of old was hugely popular in many conservation and fine laundry circles. Also sought out were Octagon dishwashing liquid (in the white or yellow bottles), and even Palmolive.
Today due to the adulterations in many "fine laundering" products no small number of persons both professional and otherwise seek out Orvus paste. Originally designed and marketed as a shampoo for livestock the stuff is pure SLS. This is why persons seek it out, they know it contains just that and nothing else.
Interestingly enough.
RB bought Finish and Jet Dry as well as Electrosol from Ecolab around this same timeframe. Finish disappeared soon after save for the Institutional version still made by EL today. Of course around here all RB DW products now are Finish label.
The other 2 Ecolab brands have gone away right here in Ecolab's own backyard. They are based in St. Paul MN
WK78
RB bought Finish and Jet Dry as well as Electrosol from Ecolab around this same timeframe. Finish disappeared soon after save for the Institutional version still made by EL today. Of course around here all RB DW products now are Finish label.
The other 2 Ecolab brands have gone away right here in Ecolab's own backyard. They are based in St. Paul MN
WK78
kenmoreguy89
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Well, it all boils down to the early syntethic detergents and sulfates discovery, since the German Igepon to the first P&G Synthethic detergent Dreft, infact Dreft, when it first came out had a huge success especially in hard water areas, since soap users (everyone at the time) had problems with the soap residues that forms with hard water, synthethic detergents avoided this proiblem and they were a blessing, though simple surfactants like these were and are now "light duty" and not good on many stains and highly soiled, later, new improvements and discoveries were made about surfactans and general additional ingredients, and they came out with Tide.... but these "light duty-mild" surfactans still found apllication in dish washing, wool washing, and even personal care, this since wool as typical of animal fibers in general are easier to wash, and for these fibers are best used neutral to slightly alkaline PH wash solution, not too much.
Today, do exists several types of anioninc surfactans, and as Launderess said these products for wool do contain also non ionic types along.
Dish washing stuff is nothing but mostly anionic surfactans with some nonionic along, with a neutal PH (delicate on hands claims means that), so made out of plain surfactans, they're "synthethic soaps" and they're good for this purpose...basic surfactans....
Shampoos and stuff like are also made basically with the same types of "mild" and neutral to slightly alkaline PH surfactans, with addition of other ingredients and nutirnts.
Detergents for wool are *better* to be used though on some aspects, some as L. said contains OBAs and some builders (alkaline) that though would not genrally give problmes as they'd keep PH on a right/acceptable level anyway, but they also contains "nutrients" and protective agents for the wool and softening agents "balsams" which dish soap misses, if you do not want OBAs and you also want a more neutral PH a similar alternative is using the same shampoo you use for your hair which is just a similar thing, even though meant to be used on "live hairs" and with nutrients meant to be absorbed by our hair bulbs.
If you want to go even more basical:
The one particular surfactant that mostly and basically find application in all these uses mentioned from personal care to the dish soap and wool products, and so fine laundering is Lauryl sulphate....
Orvus paste as Launderess says infact is lauryl sulphate.
This is the plain basical thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate
This is infact the ingredient from which on of the first italian detergent (now disappeared) for wool took the name from.
Lauril was made from the SNIA-BPD company, and as the name suggest, it was made of lauryl sulphate.
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Today, do exists several types of anioninc surfactans, and as Launderess said these products for wool do contain also non ionic types along.
Dish washing stuff is nothing but mostly anionic surfactans with some nonionic along, with a neutal PH (delicate on hands claims means that), so made out of plain surfactans, they're "synthethic soaps" and they're good for this purpose...basic surfactans....
Shampoos and stuff like are also made basically with the same types of "mild" and neutral to slightly alkaline PH surfactans, with addition of other ingredients and nutirnts.
Detergents for wool are *better* to be used though on some aspects, some as L. said contains OBAs and some builders (alkaline) that though would not genrally give problmes as they'd keep PH on a right/acceptable level anyway, but they also contains "nutrients" and protective agents for the wool and softening agents "balsams" which dish soap misses, if you do not want OBAs and you also want a more neutral PH a similar alternative is using the same shampoo you use for your hair which is just a similar thing, even though meant to be used on "live hairs" and with nutrients meant to be absorbed by our hair bulbs.
If you want to go even more basical:
The one particular surfactant that mostly and basically find application in all these uses mentioned from personal care to the dish soap and wool products, and so fine laundering is Lauryl sulphate....
Orvus paste as Launderess says infact is lauryl sulphate.
This is the plain basical thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate
This is infact the ingredient from which on of the first italian detergent (now disappeared) for wool took the name from.
Lauril was made from the SNIA-BPD company, and as the name suggest, it was made of lauryl sulphate.
[this post was last edited: 8/20/2014-08:30]
