a $5 turntable makes me want to throw out my I-pod & XM radio!

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I've got really sensitive hearing, and I can hear well into the 16khz range. Because of this, I can pick out distortion a mile away, and I absloutely cannot stand poor quality audio. Well, lately, I've been getting a bit of listener fatigue with my two most frequently used sources of music...my I-pod, and my XM radio, which I listen to in my company van. My most favorite tunes I've always enjoyed just didn't invoke the enjoyment that they used to. I figured I was simply getting tired of listening to the same stuff

I was at a flea market over the weekend and I found a really nice professional grade Technics direct drive turntable for only $5. Most of my albums long since copied to cassette, then bought on CD, and then compressed to fit on my I-pod were dug back out again to try this baby out. The old turntable on that "all in one" system I had in high school long since gone. A few months ago, I found an old Stromberg-Carlson vacuum tube amplifier at a yard sale to, so I connected the newly found turntable up to that, and my Cerwinn-Vega 12 inch speakers I bought in college. HOLY CRAP!!!! this thing sounds NICE!!! Yes, there are a few cracks and clicks in the audio, but it didn't take long to realize that I was not listening to a stereo in my office, but Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart (RUSH) cranking out all the tunes with all their heart, along with many other musicians. The stereo was literally transparent as I heard every subtle nuance of music that was beyond the walls of the room. I wasn't just hearing drums, but I could tell where and how the drums were being hit, and the fact that every hit was different than the last. The square waves from synthesizers made me shiver they were so chilling.

As I drove home this evening listening to my XM radio I became readily apparent as to why I was getting such fatigue with listening to music...the audio quality on this thing SUCKS!!!! I could hear the variable bit compression switching in and out when high frequencies were present in enough quantitiy to demand a higher bit rate. Even then, it sounded garbled, like the cymbals were being played under water. Symballence in the "s" and "t's" of singing was so slopped out singers sounded as if they were spitting. Audio compression knocked all the punch out of the music, and brought the quiet passages up too loud. I'm ready to throw my XM out the window and be done with it, especially since they started playing commercials on the music channels...gotta love ClearChannel communications!

My I-pod sounded a little bit better, but still lacked that transparent feel that the turntable was giving me last night. It just sort of sounded dull and lifeless, and again, compression artifacts reared their ugly head. Yes, an I-pod stores several days of music on a disc about an inch and a half large, but it cannot compare with the fidelity of only 45 minutes of music stored on a huge 12 inch disc of vinyl! I couldn't wait to get home this evening and crank up this old system and re-introduce myself to my favorite music again!

Let's hear it for 50 year old recording technology ...semiconductors, who needs 'em!!!
 
Tubes/Valves

OH YEAH!

You're listening to PURE SOUND. Transistors chop up the sound where the polarity of the wave goes from positive to negative, thus giving distortion. Tubes on the other hand are pure and they create the music that transistors leave behind. Everyone dreams of owning a tube set and being able to hear Pink Floyd, Rush, or Yes the way they're supposed to be heard.

XM and Sirius are not hi quality at all. You're exactly right, the sibilence is bad. I have a Sirius reciever in my Bug (which is dead at the moment) and my dad's Prius. The Bug has a Pioneer stereo with MOSFET transistors so the sound is really good for a car stereo. The S's and T's are fine but in my dad's Prius, despite that fact that it's a JBL system it's horrible. It sounds like this, "And thee's buying a ttthhairway thoo heaven..." The vocals are "de-essed" at the studio to prevent distortion but I guess the audio components in a fancy car like a Prius is crap enough to still distort.

But yeah, hooray for vinyl records and all the machines that play them. I kinda even wonder if my Magnavox can sound better than a CD or mp3 sometimes.
 
Totally, completely agree...

Though I'm a huge fan of iTunes (and the accessories to go with the program) nothing beats the sound quality of a nice record.

Though I'm sure my stereo does not compete with some of the older ones out there, I still own the very first stereo my mom bought me when I was seven. It's a 1987 Quasar all-in-one with the dual decks that no longer work, record player and stereo.

When ever I go to Bookman's, which is a used book, record, movie store I always go straight to the record section to see if I can find any Dean Martine or Frank Sinatra as well as other types of music because to me it just sounds so much nicer and richer when it comes from a record. Which makes sense because original sound is analog and records are analog recordings, whereas digital recording only takes bits and pieces of original sound and splices it together.
 
Although I've become used to it, when I first went digital the compressed, cold, brittle sound that came with it used to bother me. Now I listen to everything via iPod, so my ears have adjusted. Plus, I run it through a Bose Sound Deck in the house, which warms things up a little.

But for that round, warm, walnut-burnished sound, nothing beats a pristine vinyl pressing on a turntable with a high-quality cartridge.
 
Quasar!!!

OMG i had a Quasar that had a turntable, receiver, and dual cassette tape decks all in one unit! I bought it at McMahan's Furniture Store back in the early 80's. That system is long gone BUT i still have the Quasar speakers on my Technics CD, receiver, and turntable! Those old speakers look funny with the newer components but it sounds great to me! Does Quasar still make anything?
 
I think Quasar has come and gone, but it still lives on in my house!

My stereo may only play in mono, but it still sounds great to me. I love my Quasar.

Oh, and my mom got the Quasar at D.O.W. back in the day, but I remember MacMahon's Furniture in San Diego.
 
Technics TT for $5--great deal.I got several for free or for doing the repair work on a stations transmitter.I think stations and others are making a mistake for ditching their TT's.Something about records-they can just sound better than CD or other digital formats.I still have a TT on my system-play records on it on occasion.I like older audio gear-esp with tubes-but such equipment is getting harder to find.
 
Hey, did you all know that Quasar is actually a Matushita brand, just like Technics? Quasar used to be the electronics division of Motorola, but the name was sold to Panasonic/Matushita in the early 70's. Sadly, both the Quasar, and the Technics nameplates have both been retired from Matushita's product line.

..There's just something that make a HiFi audio system complete by having a turntable on it, despite the fact that most systems these days don't have them!
 
TT's If only they would make a STRONG comeback-maybe with more folks listening to the music they hear over I-Pods and Satellite radio-and hear the flaws introduced by these mediums--TT's and even analog tape formats will make a comeback-and guess what--in many recording studios-muscians prefer to record on the vintage ampex and Scully analog reel machines with tubed record-play amplifiers.One studio I spoke with even asked me if I wanted to buy their Sony DASH 24 track digital reel tape machines.I gave them the phone# of "digitheads" that would be interested in them.Yes--I too feel a real Hi-fi stereo system should have one or more turntables and an analog tape machine.I have a few reel-reel machines that I could use.got 'em from the same station I got the Technics Tt's from for some work on their transmitters.After reading this thread I am thinking of making up a second system for easier record listening with an older tube Leak amp and some Altec lansing speakers I got from a pawn shop here.I bought the Leak amp from a thrift store in Florida years ago for 25 bucks.It was worth it.Good little amp.And in radio stations most young DJ's have never even seen LP records or Reel tapes-they thought the LP's were some sort of giant CD!They had only known the "Scott" system computer audio storage-playback systems used in stations today.That replaced cart machines,TT's CD players,and Reel machines.And I can remember some older stations that had disc recorders-Scully,Neunman were common-It was just as much of an art as a science to "cut" records on these machines.
 
Technics?

When did matsushita retire technics? I bought a TT about a year and a half ago. It was not new but you could not tell from looking at it. I went to technics web sight and they still had it listed as a current model.

I still play my vinyls about once a week or so. I am a HUGE 80's pop fan. All the remixes and dance versions of songs. I need to stop talking before I have to get up and start doing the electric slide or something. lol

Scott
 
In this age of instant gratification, it would be hard to get a member of the current young generation to sit still and keep quiet long enough to hear what real hi-fi sounds like.

Hi-fi for the masses is dead. All that's left is the high-end crowd, many of which are audiophools and engage in audiophoolery.

These new Yamaha A/V receivers get great reviews, but they all sound cold and crappy compared to equipment from the golden age of hi-fi (approx 1955-1970).

Ken
 
Fortunately Technics is still with us-These TT's still appeal to those folks that still ahve records they want to play.The Technics machines also appeal to "DJ"'s not in radio stations-but in nightclubs and dance halls-or traveling ones that play records for parties and weddings-the "DJ" even uses the TT and records like a musical instrument"scratching" as they call it-one radio station I dealt with the DJ's there did that.Was VERY hard on cartridge stylus though.Had to replace them regularly.the station had a CASE of phono stylus.I would not recommend practicing your "Scratching" on your precious recors in your collections.-Nor with your expensive Shure phono cartridge.The direct drive TT's are liked by those DJ's because the platters are easier for them to turn by hand than belt drive or idler drive machines.You should see what happns when a DJ spills Coke into a Technics Direct Drive TT-It was amusing to watch that TT-the platter jittered and rotated forward-reverse as though a DJ was moving it by hand-"Scratched" by itself!!Took the machine apart-washed off the motor control board-then let it dry-and reassembled-was fine.A word of warning Technics TT's are not easy to take apart or put back together-do it on one of your "Patience" days.I can agree with Ken is his entry-if younger folks can sit and listen to music long enough-than they can appreciate it-you don't need the expensive 'Audiophool" equipment to listen.A good reciver-intergrated amp,pair of good speakers and a TT,CD player -and even your I_Pod-are fine.I subsribe to some "Audiophool magazines-what a laugh!!these people beleive the crap and BS they write in those magazines-most of it defies the laws of electronics,acoustics,and physics.Now if only I can find that brass weight to put on top of my amp!!these guys pay THOUSANDS of dollars on those gimmicks.And the Technics Turntables are still available from some broadcast equipment suppliers.Numark is a nother common DD TT brand.they also make CD players that you can "scratch" like a TT.

 
I also have a Yamaha receiver-again got it from a radio station-it does sound cold and hard.It sits in the closet.Even if you use it as a "preamp" with a tube power amp-it still sounds bad.the receiver uses the "Sanken" power amp IC's in its power amp section.These units can sound bad-descrete components and matched transistors-or tubes are better.
 
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