A Philips toploader turns up in the Netherlands, pictures of the famous CC1000!

[jetcone]

ohhh

that looks like a cool machine to do a few loads in! I bet that door boot is a nightmare to change when it rips from Louis trying to wash his spurs along with his chaps!

 

[jetcone]

PS I LUV

how the fins in the tub scare Mike!!

BOOO! From Halloween City!

 

[mickeyd]

You're pretty funny, Jon

Thanks for tickling my funny bone ;D

 

[appnut]

Luigi, congratulations!! Good going. Very excited for you!!!

 

[mayken4now]

Well HOOFDWAS it is. MEETAKEN ALMITE SMAKUGWAS.

Philips, light bubls in the USA.

Kool wahser.

Steve

 

[gansky1]

I just love these top-load h-axis washers - does it really use a lot more water?

I should try to find a Staber to play with - they are fun to see running, even if you can't the clothes tumbling. The sounds they make are fantastic. I'll bet this Phillips running with the lid open would sound very similar, especially if there is lots of water sloshing about.

That door boot does look like fun to change - the oval opening is worth every bit of effort though!

 

[lederstiefel1]

My Aunty in Abergavenny/Wales had one of those Philips and I liked it - was a very good machine and lasted for ages!
But the 40 cm slim machine we had at home was a terrible machine!
Ruined the floor because it had no suspension but excentric wheels underneath which were supposed to catch the swinging and swaying from the spinning process which never worked properly though and the machine used to walk away from its place, had a very bad spinnig (300 rpm), was quite loud when spinning and finally set the whole flat under water as it had no stainless steel but an enamelled tub which rusted through after 10 years during a boil-wash cycle...

Ralf

 

[foraloysius]

Just for the record, this isn't my machine. The owner sent pictures to me and because this is such a special machine I decided to post them here.

Greg,

Older frontloaders and H-axis toploaders used lots more water than they do nowadays. They needed more water because they didn't perform spins between all rinses. But apparently this machine was rather frugal compared with it's competitors at that time. Those Stabers look pretty intrigueing. The hexagonal design probably makes for even more water noise.

Ralf,

The 40cm wide models with the controls on the fron indeed had no suspension, although I am wondering if the later models didn't have that either. I think I remember that later there was a model that spun a bit faster. Anyone have memories of those machines? I would love to know more about them.

The 40cm wide models with the controls at the back did have a suspension system. They were really wonderful machines, I still love mine. I found a see through drawing of a later model.

Mr cowboy Jetcone, I'm not wearing chaps and spurs, I'm a decent city guy. Watch your steps mister, or you'll have a big slap coming across the ocean...!

 

[74simon]

Water use

Yep, the Philips was pretty economical for its time. I've just been working out how much water the machines tested in 1969 used per kilogram of washing, starting from the most economical:

Candy Misura: 26.7 Litres

English Electric Reversomatic Deluxe: 28.6 Litres

Philips HN 3109: 30.3 Litres

Hoover Keymatic Deluxe: 35 Litres

Hotpoint Automatic 1502: 42 Litres

Bendix LS: 42.2 Litres

To put this in perspective, the LG machines that Which? recommend for eco-conscious buyers use 7.2 Litres per kilo of washing - nearly a quarter of that used by the most water efficient machine in 1969, and it holds nearly four times the amount of laundry too! But I know what *I'd* rather have...

Si

 

[seamusuk]

Water Consumption....

Hey Si/Everyone

Thought id work out the difference in consumption between my 1986 Hoover A3308 and my 2006 Electrolux Insight...

A3308 120l cold +14l hot to wash 4.5kg =29.77l/kg

Insight 60l cold only to wash 8kg =7.5l/kg

But then the Hoover rinsed far better no doubt...

Seamus

 

[gyrafoam]

Nice looking machine, although it is hard to get an idea of the scale of it from the photos. One of the brochures shows a woman's hand reaching towards the inside of a machine that appears to be pretty small. Is it about the size of an F&P?

Discussing the amount of water a washer uses still seems kind of funny to me in spite of all the fuss over conservation.
Kind of like the fuss over the amount of water a dishwasher uses. A dishwasher using water to clean with! What a concept!

A washer using water to clean with! What a concept!
Honey puhleeeez, fill that 'suckah up! Give me an old fashioned water-hog anytime! Solid-tub washers with overflow rinses and old KitchenAid diswashers----yeah!

Anyway, thanks for sharing---looks like a really nice machine. Would love to have the opportunity to see one in action some time.

 

[robm]

My Mum's machine

OMG Louis the picture at 15.52 of the 40cm toploader was my Mother's first automatic. It used to just go into the spin cycle without distribution but did remain very stable. It had a 800rpm variable spin and a fairly noisy brush motor. I always thought the motor which took a while to get up to speed due to the drum being full of water must have taken a bashing. I used to play with the variable spin to and step it up manually.

I have to confess I did hate this machine though, just because I couldn't see what was going on. Was much happier when Mum re did her kitchen and got a front loader Hotpoint 9530 and I could see what was going on.

Thanks for the pic

Rob

 

[gizmo]

AWB149

The awb149 in Louis's last post, the model with the silver lower control panel and brown upper control panel - that is the model of my first Philips TL, which I gave away years ago. It spins at 800 rpm, it starts to spin when still full of water. The top half of the control panel is smoky brown tinted clear plastic, you see knob markings through the plastic window.

The machine I have now is a later model than any of the pics here, it was current when Philips became Philips-Whirlpool. It spins at 1000 rpm (?), and does a neutral drain before spinning. Mine now has a fault (the electronic module is misbehaving) but it was a great machine.

Chris

 

[foraloysius]

Chris

IIRC the AWB149's topspeed is 850 rpm, just as my AWB119. They were both the TOL model of their series.

The later series that was sold when Philips became Whirlpool had the detergent dispenser on the bottom of the lid. On the first models they weren't removable so they were a pain to clean.

The need for a lower water consumption demanded that the drain before spinning was introduced, the older models only spin with a drum filled with water to the highest level.

Great machines indeed. Here's a picture of a later Philips.

Louis

 

[jetcone]

here ya go cowboys

the guts of the staber

 

[jetcone]

Staber Tub

It does clean well and makes alot of splash. I will give it that.

 

[gansky1]

Wow! The water use of these older machine is just as astounding as their top loading American counterparts...

For comparison, I took the water use of a large capacity Maytag washer from 1969 (40 gal) and used a "large capacity" load of 14 pounds (6.4 kg) and came up with 23.66 litres of water per kilogram of washing.

This has been a very interesting and educational thread!

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Just restored...

As you probably know I've just finished to quiuckly restore a TLHA, it's the first Superatutomatic washing machine with top loading (HA) sold here in 60s... it's a 1965 Ignis...
It seems incredible like a Staber...but if you look at ut carefully you can see the difference, starting from the drum, mine's got a traditional circular drum with 4 agi-paddles

BYE
Diomede

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/VINTAGE/14063x34.htm

 

[vivalalavatrice]

60cm

Yes...in past it was easier to find such large TL machine, that's 60cm wide. Now it seems that TL (here in Europe) means 40cm wide ONLY, just as that of Louis draw. Somewhat are 45 but maybe "Family" models to hold up to 7,5Kg (honestly I know only Sangiorgio or Thomson of French Brandt make these) or TLHA washer/dryre combo.

I wrote to Whirpool (the today's Ignis owner), to tell them that even if it's not convenient any more to produce and sell machine like that here (too big for us now), it would be indeed a great gain to do it over there in US, where peopole aro not waintig for else than this! Staber is the only but not so many people trust in that machine. Be faithful my dear american friends your laudry revolution will come soon.
At end they answer me that "the enquire is beeing forwarded to the compentent manager"...no anwers yet now!

 

[foraloysius]

Greg,

Yes, the older European machines were waterhogs! There is however a difference between American toploaders and these ones. These machines use less water for washing and more for rinsing. Most of them have 4 - 5 rinses. My compact Miele toploader even has 6! They needed that many rinses because there were hardly spins between rinses or often not at all.

Diomede,

Does your Ignis spin between rinses?

Years ago, in the late 90's I think, I mailed Miele and Bosch if they were planning to sell their toploaders on the American market. I never heard from them. At that time Bosch had a toploader that matched their dryers, it would have been a smart looking set. And conveniently compact!