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Steve- Two 1kg bags of Ariel (India) powder arrived yesterday. The scent is certainly lighter in nature than my previous daily drivers Tide Ultra Stain Release and Persil + Stain Fighter, both liquids; both available in the detergent aisle in the local HyVee grocery store. Not sure how to describe it, but I like it. It’s just less blatant than the detergents I’d been using. I’ll let you know if it smells like the powdered TideMatic (also India) which is scheduled to arrive Feb 24. You’d mentioned the liquid versions of these detergents were virtually indistinguishable from each other.

There are no dosage instructions on the bag, showing only the picture of a scoop which was not enclosed. I visited the website (www.ariel.in) and found that a scoop is 60 grams. So the recommended dosage for a front-loader is 60 grams for a normal load and a whopping 90g for very large or heavily soil loads.

I washed a large load of thick, heavy white bath linens and half a dozen dish towels and bar mops with various stains on them. Used 40g of Ariel on the Whites cycle, selecting warm water (assuming the detergent relies on a cocktail of enzymes) and the Max soil level, which provides a 30 minute wash tumble and two rinses. I have softened water.

The suds level during the wash tumble seemed fine: more suds than powdered UK Persil Bio; about the same as that produced by UK Persil Non-Bio. The difference, however, became very apparent with the first spin. It immediately triggered the Speed Queen’s “suds removal” protocol. I quickly added two extra rinses to the cycle (for a total of four). The fourth rinse still had a little suds in it, but not enough—by my standards, anyway—to warrant yet another rinse.

I was certainly impressed with Ariel’s stain removing power. Only the faint remnant of a mustard stain remained on the white kitchen towels and bar mops. Ketchup, coffee, and a few other stains were vanquished.

I’m going to wash sheets & pillowcases this morning. Will use a 40g dose with the same cycle & settings. My hunch is the lighter weight fabrics will not cause such a suds ruckus. Will report back on that.

Update: Not surprisingly, 40g of Ariel washed and rinsed a load of sheets & pillowcases without incident. There was a bit of suds in the second (final) rinse, but not the foamy, lathery kind; more like bubbles that popped quickly as the water ran down the bottom of the glass window and into the boot. At any rate, will probably use 20-30g going forward and see if it diminishes the cleaning power.

Photo #3: The dosing chart from Ariel’s website (www.ariel.in)
Photo #4: Ariel is proudly “No.1 Recommended by LG.”

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Eugene...

Great report! When I had used the Ariel-Matic, it was in both a top load washer, as well as an older front-load machine. I don't remember what kind of suds level it gave, but I do remember the crisp scent of the detergent. And yes - now I'm even more curious to see if there's a difference in scent between this and the Tide-Matic. I had tried the Polish version of Tide (Vizir), and the scent was sort of fruity - maybe like blueberries or grapes. In fact, it reminded me of Daz powder detergent...also a P&G brand. Unfortunately, the box that I purchased (thankfully, a small one) was also half-hardened, so I didn't get to use it all. It worked ok.
 
In the UK and Ireland market until maybe some time in the 1980s (maybe even the early 90s occasionally) they were described as "Persil Automatic" "Ariel Automatic" "Daz Automatic" "Bold Automatic" "Surf Automatic" etc They were low-foam formulas, much like HE in the US.

It was a hangover from the 1960s/70s when there were automatic and non-automatic versions of some of those products, even though the top load versions were long gone.

At some point top loaders became as rare as hen's teeth, so there was no reason to market high-foam products. People who had top loaders just used 'automatic' (HE) detergent after that point.

Top load in most people's heads here = old-fashioned twin tub. There were several automatic top loaders, but they weren't very common and front loaders just became synonymous with fully automatic washing machines.

It was exactly like the "HE" branding in the US. I would assume - Matic in India means the same as HE i.e. low-foaming formula.
 
Persil and Ariel were still called Automatic on the boxes in 1995

1995 box of Persil colour automatic here https://www.mylearning.org/stories/the-story-of-persil/1218

"automatic" is less prominent on the box.

and here's a 1995 Ariel Ad:-

The standard non-automatic stuff was sold for handwashing and twin tubs, I think most would have been bought for handwashing in the sink, washing machines used to be expensive. My mum didn't get a washing machine until the 1970s.

I think Persil dropped the "Automatic" off their liquid detergent a few years after it was launched, and other new products like Persil Power were never branded as Automatic.

Looks like some countries still have a persil automatic, although it's not the UK Lever version. https://www.kanbkam.com/eg/en/persi...-automatic-washing-machine-1-liter-B08YY2HHTV
 
P&G's early attempts at "HE" detergents were woefully bad.

Received a packet of then "new" Tide HE with first front loading washer (Malber). Small amount created so much froth foam was coming up and out of soap dispenser and oozing out of porthole. Never no more... Went onto buying Persil at local shops or ordering from Miele USA.

Indeed even today while P&G seems to have gotten foaming issues under control with their "HE" products, still find on average they aren't easily nor quickly rinsed as say German Persil.

Don't bother using phosphates with Ariel (gel) detergent in one's stash as it just causes too many issues with froth and rinsing.

Ironically when P&G first introduced Tide detergent it made little to nil froth. Housewives then long used to froth created by soap on wash day stayed away in droves.

P&G went back to drawing board and changed surfactants around to create high suds. That new Tide flew off store shelves and there was no looking back since.

Tide was originally meant to replace soap in hard water areas of USA, but housewives (and anyone else doing laundry) across country began preferring Tide by such a margin it killed off sales of P&G's former top selling soap wash day product "Oxydol".
 
Retirez peu de linge si necessaire

Literal translation is "remove you" little of laundry (linen) if necessary.

Properly translated into English; remove small amount of laundry if necessary.

Next final caption: "Respect *you* always the rule one hand vertical from laundry to top of drum.

Basically it's a very nice and interesting way of restating what has been said from early days of h-axis washing machines. Leave about a fist sized bit of space between top of washing and tub.
 
Did you know?

Detergent makers test their TOL products at least against soils and marks commonly found in particular market.

In France it's red wine.

UK - Beetroot

India - Curry

Asian countries - soy sauce

Middle East - Hummus

And so it goes...

Curry has become nearly a universally favored dish in UK for years, so wouldn't be surprised if TOL detergents include that soil in their rage of testing. Indeed most TOL products will be tested up against a mix of most common soils or marks in a particular market.

https://www.vanisharabia.com/en/news-and-articles/stains-from-around-the-world/

https://www.ariel.co.uk/en-gb/how-to-wash/stain-removal/beetroot-stains
 
Yet another update of sorts...

Earlier today, I stopped at a local Indian supermarket on my way home from work. Towards the back of the store where the cleaning products were, what did I see?

Liquid Tide-Matic. In both top load AND front load varieties.

Not going to lie; I was a bit unhappy that I spent $40 ordering it through Bonanza, when they were selling it for $5.99. Such is life, I guess. And yes, I picked up another bottle.

Fun note: The top-load version smells completely different from the front-load version. While the latter has a very soft, almost soapy smell....the top load version smells quite a bit like Mexican Ariel "Doble Poder Concentrado".
 
Steve- Glad you found a local source for reasonably-priced liquid TideMatic! Interesting that the top-load and front-load versions have distinctly different scents.

While the ArielMatic powder, sourced through an Amazon vendor, arrived quickly and without issue, I have the feeling I’m being scammed by ShipRocket, a shipping company that numerous vendors in India use. The package of TideMatic I ordered through NavaFresh was to arrive today (Feb 24). I received a fishy-looking e-mail from ShipRocket nearly two weeks ago informing me the package would arrive late because of a “delayed flight” and that I should sign up for an account with them to learn more. I wasn’t comfortable with some of the info they wanted, so checked for online reviews of the company. Lo and behold, there were numerous complaints that ShipRocket was stealing or holding products for ransom. I have no desire to delve any further into it, so lesson learned. We’ll see if the TideMatic eventually arrives. Honestly, if the product is similar to ArielMatic, it produces more tenacious suds than I expected, so would probably have no interest in future orders.

I still have a box of powdered Tide Ultra Oxi, a box of powdered Amway SA8, partnered with their All Fabric Bleach, the ArielMatic, and of course a huge stock of UK Persil in Bio and Non Bio variants. The Persil products continue to be the ones to beat for me, especially the Bio version.[this post was last edited: 2/24/2024-18:46]
 
Prefer to get one's foreign detergent stash from eBay or those accepting payment via PayPal. Have seen too many fingers burned via online scams. That and you really don't know what some of these places are doing with all your CC and other personal information.
 
Wise you are, Launderess! I’ll certainly stick to known quantities going forward. British Essentials proved itself to be on the up-and-up, so will continue to order U.K. Persil from them. I should look at their entire range of detergents to see if any other brands pique one’s interest.
 
Just discovered that there is 2 versions of TideMatic powder, which are on Amazon.

1. TideMatic Topload powder $25.00

2. TideMatic Ultra topload powder $30.00

Both are the same size. (2.2LB)

any idea what would be the difference between them?
 
Likely same difference one once saw with powdered laundry detergents in USA

"Ultra" version is more concentrated than plan "top load"

Peeped over on Amazon and the "Ultra" version container has references to dosage that the top load box does not.

In parts of Europe and elsewhere you still find P&G, Lever Bros, Henkel and others flogging "big box" powdered detergent for laundry. That is stuff which isn't concentrated versus "ultra" or "compact" which, well is...
 
I thought that would be the differences between them, wasn't sure about it.
I noticed the dosage reference on only the ultra as well. Scoop included?
I am still intrigued with TideMatic Powder, either version. It's a want, not a need. I think it would be interesting to find out how either or both do with dirty laundry, and the outcome of it.
It might happen sometime.
 
@ Eugene

Yikes. I'm sorry to hear that the Tide Matic powder might be coming from a scam site. Kind of reminds me of when I came across Dash Pods being sold by a vendor on eBay for an unusually low price. I ordered it, and heard nothing. Several days later, eBay emailed me, stating that the seller's account was fraudulent, and that they were canceling the transaction and refunding me.
 
@ Rich

Pending Eugene's response, I see that Amazon has both the top load, as well as a universal-type for sale. The top-load is $30 with free P&H. The universal is $23, with $27 in fees for P&H.
 
A final update:

O me of little faith! Look what arrived last week: a 3kg box of TideMatic from India. The box contains three 1kg bags of detergent, which makes storage less messy.

The scent is identical to the ArielMatic powder—also from India—that arrived earlier. TideMatic has far more orange granules than Ariel. Other than that, they look pretty much the same.

I thought it fun that the back of the box is a children’s board game that can be cut out (request an adult to…), although the game tokens (the tiny squares at the top) will undoubtedly be lost quickly.

I’ll wash a load tomorrow or Wednesday to compare its cleaning ability and sudsing qualities with the ArielMatic.

Rich- Not sure where the US distributor is located. I didn’t keep the e-mails or any paperwork, although I seem to recall the mention of one of the states in the northeast. Delaware, maybe?

Thanks to thread creator/original poster Steve (Volvoman) for acting as the catalyst in my little exploration of detergents from India.

Photos:
1-4: TideMatic packaging and enclosed scoop
5: TideMatic on the left; ArielMatic on the right. Both specified for front-loaders.
6: The detergent cupboard above the Speed Queens organized in canisters.

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@ Eugene

Well, huzzah for miracles! I'm glad it finally arrived!

Several years ago, I stumbled across Indian Ariel, sold in the same style container (cardboard box, with a scoop and a bag). So, at least P&G is consistent with their packaging.

What throws me, is that both the Tide and Ariel powders are nearly identical, save for the color of the scoop (Ariel had a clear, fully squared-off scoop), and the amount of colored specks in the powder. Although, from the photo, they're both similar in appearance. I'm kind of surprised that P&G wouldn't do something to differentiate one from the other (a different perfume or color). In fact, it makes me wonder if Ariel is sold in one part of India, and Tide in the other. Who knows...

You'll have to let us know what you think of it!
 
Steve: Did a load of kitchen and bath whites, featuring some stained dish towels using TideMatic. Used the Whites cycle, max soil (30 minute wash tumble), and warm water. It performed almost identically to the ArielMatic. Kind of sudsy; removed coffee and blood stains completely, but fell short of the mark on bbq sauce and mustard.

It’s fun to try detergents from around the world! Still, in my particular circumstance, the one to beat for stain removal and clean rinsing is the UK Persil Bio. That and liquid Tide Ultimate Stain Release, which cleans beautifully but doesn’t rinse as cleanly as the Persil powder. I really liked American liquid Persil + Stain Fighter, but it produced way too much suds during the wash tumble. I kept reducing the dose to the point where it lost cleaning power and it STILL produced a lot of suds. So had to wave goodbye to that one. Too bad, as it worked perfectly in my previous washer, a top-loading Speed Queen.

Don’t know that I’ll ever order the detergents from India again, but they’ll be fun to use for loads that aren’t heavily stained.
 
Out and about doing marketing Saturday morning popped into local discounter to see what there was.

Spotted bottles of Indian liquid Tide "Matic" for top and front loading washers. A voice at once said "no and "put it down" so that was that. *LOL*

Bottles looked like this: https://www.amazon.in/Tide-Matic-Liquid-Detergent-850/dp/B0B6J1GM93

Left place empty handed. Hahaha

To be fair do have more than enough laundry products about, both vintage and modern, so can see point being made.

Adverts for this stuff are simply killing:

 
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Laundress-------

I bought my FriGEMore new in '96/'97. It came with two packets of Tide HE and no instructions. I had never used HE detergent before so I did not know what to expect. I used the whole packet and nearly sudz-locked my kitchen.

Went back to my regular detergent and just used a few tablespoons per load and had no more trouble.
 
Word in shell like ears...

Wherever people choose to get their laundry product fix other than down at the shops make sure what's being offered is fresh stock.

P&G, Henkel, Unilever/Lever Bros and rest pull stock from supermarket or shop shelves that is stale, old or near/past sell by date. Where such stock goes varies but usually it's sold onto discounters who buy things in job lots. They in turn mark things up and sell them on.

You'll notice on auction sites such as H-Bid there usually is tons of laundry products and other household cleaners often sold in cases, job lots and so forth.

Amazon and Target for one unload large amounts of unsold or "stale" stock via job lot auctions. Discount shops and chains long since bought up such goods; think Nationwide Warehouse in USA, but am sure there similar places worldwide.

P&G, Henkel and others will admit when pressed that laundry detergents, fabric softeners and other products do have a shelf life. If you contact P&G with a complaint about say bottle of detergent CSR will ask for code from package. From that number they can tell when thing was produced and if it's past or near sell by date.

While perfectly acceptable to use by most, stale laundry or other household products may not have same "oomph" compared to fresh. Certain components break down and people might notice a difference in performance.

Scent is one of first things to go. One notices things don't have same whiff from a bottle that has sat sitting versus fresh. Liquid products from fabric softeners to detergents can change appearance. Things can curdle, separate, or otherwise look like bad Hollandaise sauce. No amount of shaking or other agitation will make product back into a stable emulsion never no more.
 
Fridg-

How are you liking India Tide Matic front load powder that you ordered? Cleans well? Do you think it's worth the money? I just wanting to know if you recommend trying it out.
 
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