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Here with 3 decades of usage the green HUB wore thinner; thus was replaced.
If too thin the LGS spring has little axial space/clearance and it can be trapped.
The LGS spring in the last image looks boogered up if one looks closely. Its mid coils look like their outer diameter is smaller.
I lay terms goofed up mean the kids slinky spring has yielded somewhat in the middle due to its ends getting trapped.
With a new hub 5303261168 ; the green piece the LGS spring does not get trapped or ruined. The worn hub can be subtle. One replaces the LGS spring and 6 months later it gets ruined and one hears a clicking noise only every now and then as the ends of the spring grab the high speed pulley and potato pulley. In extreme cases the spring can cut right through the piece that holds the roller bearing and one has a ruined potato pulley bearing housing.
If too thin the LGS spring has little axial space/clearance and it can be trapped.
The LGS spring in the last image looks boogered up if one looks closely. Its mid coils look like their outer diameter is smaller.
I lay terms goofed up mean the kids slinky spring has yielded somewhat in the middle due to its ends getting trapped.
With a new hub 5303261168 ; the green piece the LGS spring does not get trapped or ruined. The worn hub can be subtle. One replaces the LGS spring and 6 months later it gets ruined and one hears a clicking noise only every now and then as the ends of the spring grab the high speed pulley and potato pulley. In extreme cases the spring can cut right through the piece that holds the roller bearing and one has a ruined potato pulley bearing housing.
Thanks 3BW!
That's a great explanation of the potato pulley. I appreciate the trouble it took to post it.
Ralph
That's a great explanation of the potato pulley. I appreciate the trouble it took to post it.
Ralph
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Let's see how many can decipher this (all upper case because that's what is used by non-management staff):
SUB ? NDT. ADV SNP 4 LD BLG. DAK LD & SEZ X W NGHBR. PER PERM NO X FND. ADV NPD PNDG & Q DEP REST. SUB WCB TDA OR TMO 2MK PA W COLL.
Decoding to follow but will allow some time if anybody wants to take a stab at this first. Maybe I made this too easy. We'll see.
Let's see how many can decipher this (all upper case because that's what is used by non-management staff):
SUB ? NDT. ADV SNP 4 LD BLG. DAK LD & SEZ X W NGHBR. PER PERM NO X FND. ADV NPD PNDG & Q DEP REST. SUB WCB TDA OR TMO 2MK PA W COLL.
Decoding to follow but will allow some time if anybody wants to take a stab at this first. Maybe I made this too easy. We'll see.
arbilab
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I swear we had a squarefront Westy FL in the mid 60s where the potato pulley was the idler, visible from lower front. The 'swear' part because I clearly remember an eccentric pulley in operation AND because I never took the back off of that one, starting college, less time to hose with appliances.
The two earlier slantfronts didn't seem to suffer from a continuous tumble speed so I'm not convinced the whole 'potato' thing accomplished anything except cluttering the rear.
Other than the potato and its idler, little changed between the photos above and the 55 slant. Oh, the suspension, yes, the part seen anyway. Wait, old guy moment..... much time as I spent behind that 55, I can't "swear" it didn't have an idler. Seems like a lot of reduction from 1800 to tumble in one pulley set. But it did NOT have an eccentric one.
The 47 slant, same suspension as the 55 BUT there was a transmission! Planetary, and the giant solenoid worked a clutch arm on the rear. Same 2 drum pulleys and slinky which we never had a problem with, third belt drove the trans input. So there are 2 very distinct 3-belt Westys. Did have to replace the trans once. Family of 6, machine never got a day off.
The two earlier slantfronts didn't seem to suffer from a continuous tumble speed so I'm not convinced the whole 'potato' thing accomplished anything except cluttering the rear.
Other than the potato and its idler, little changed between the photos above and the 55 slant. Oh, the suspension, yes, the part seen anyway. Wait, old guy moment..... much time as I spent behind that 55, I can't "swear" it didn't have an idler. Seems like a lot of reduction from 1800 to tumble in one pulley set. But it did NOT have an eccentric one.
The 47 slant, same suspension as the 55 BUT there was a transmission! Planetary, and the giant solenoid worked a clutch arm on the rear. Same 2 drum pulleys and slinky which we never had a problem with, third belt drove the trans input. So there are 2 very distinct 3-belt Westys. Did have to replace the trans once. Family of 6, machine never got a day off.
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3beltwesty
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Round Idler pulley looks oval when machin is on! 
arbilab (DFW metro) ;
the round idler when the machine is on looks non round !
Its center of rotation is translating back and forth too.
Thus the eye sort of makes the blur be really oval shaped!
The idler pulley is spring loaded by two curved springs; it "bobs" back and forth towards the center of the blue pulley; ie the shaft of the basket. It "bobs" because the about hidden potato pulley has a varying radius; the belt thus has to go someplace.
The curved springs have felt strips that if missing makes a Mickey Mouse type squeak too.
arbilab (DFW metro) ;
the round idler when the machine is on looks non round !
Its center of rotation is translating back and forth too.
Thus the eye sort of makes the blur be really oval shaped!
The idler pulley is spring loaded by two curved springs; it "bobs" back and forth towards the center of the blue pulley; ie the shaft of the basket. It "bobs" because the about hidden potato pulley has a varying radius; the belt thus has to go someplace.
The curved springs have felt strips that if missing makes a Mickey Mouse type squeak too.
frontaloadotmy
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Ralph......
Were you an ae? 370 3rd? BR/SR? What was your cllc?
Were you an ae? 370 3rd? BR/SR? What was your cllc?
arbilab
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Yes, it did move. So you mean the ~64 squarefront still had the potato on the drum shaft and the eccentricity I saw was the moving of the idler? I can live with that, far as reconciling geezer memory.
In the short time we owned it, required more service than both the prior slantfronts combined. Plus mom didn't like it and replaced with a Westy-branded TL seems was actually a latter-day Fridigaire. At which point my head was spinning and not necessarily balanced either.
From there on I had a FRIG humpa-humpa, several WP wigwags, Panasonic TT, couple classic MTs, and landed on Frig-branded FL that's really some Euro thingy but it's never busted. (Shhh, don't let it hear that last part, might jinx it.) And a Lady Kenmore 120V dryer since 1984.
Back towards topic:
FRIG humpa-humpa = Frigidaire with original vertical agitator
WP wigwag = the classic Whirlpool transmission that built WP's reputation
Classic MT = the Maytag auto that built their reputation
TT = twin tub, wash on the left, spin on the right (any exceptions?)
FL = front loader
Lady Kenmore 120V dryer = apartment size, with casters, plugs into a standard socket
Frig-branded Euro thingy = frontloader with Frigidaire printed on it but you know bloody well 'Frigidaire' didn't build it because by that time Frigidaire was only a name you could license and put on anything, just as Westinghouse is today
In the short time we owned it, required more service than both the prior slantfronts combined. Plus mom didn't like it and replaced with a Westy-branded TL seems was actually a latter-day Fridigaire. At which point my head was spinning and not necessarily balanced either.
From there on I had a FRIG humpa-humpa, several WP wigwags, Panasonic TT, couple classic MTs, and landed on Frig-branded FL that's really some Euro thingy but it's never busted. (Shhh, don't let it hear that last part, might jinx it.) And a Lady Kenmore 120V dryer since 1984.
Back towards topic:
FRIG humpa-humpa = Frigidaire with original vertical agitator
WP wigwag = the classic Whirlpool transmission that built WP's reputation
Classic MT = the Maytag auto that built their reputation
TT = twin tub, wash on the left, spin on the right (any exceptions?)
FL = front loader
Lady Kenmore 120V dryer = apartment size, with casters, plugs into a standard socket
Frig-branded Euro thingy = frontloader with Frigidaire printed on it but you know bloody well 'Frigidaire' didn't build it because by that time Frigidaire was only a name you could license and put on anything, just as Westinghouse is today
Darrel,
I began as a SR in the SJ East RSC, which was a universal role unlike the separate and specialized RTOC and RASC positions.
Then I was lucky enough to land a skate job in management as a Service Advisor in BCS Commercial Markets. The greedy SBC cowboys made short work of shooting down that title once they took over, and I transitioned into the SSM title, a job I hated but I did learn a lot about EBS configurations, PBX, Hi-Cap (T-1), Frame Relay (aka "the cloud"), PRI (a paper blob nightmare), loop start vs. ground start, etc.
Was lucky again and landed another skate job as a PM in CMG, then in 2007 got re-org'd into the chaos that is wireless, and due to my boss over-hiring was declared surplus in 2008.
As you can tell from my previous post, I'm scarred for life, just as I was warned during my first days in training for the SR position.
I began as a SR in the SJ East RSC, which was a universal role unlike the separate and specialized RTOC and RASC positions.
Then I was lucky enough to land a skate job in management as a Service Advisor in BCS Commercial Markets. The greedy SBC cowboys made short work of shooting down that title once they took over, and I transitioned into the SSM title, a job I hated but I did learn a lot about EBS configurations, PBX, Hi-Cap (T-1), Frame Relay (aka "the cloud"), PRI (a paper blob nightmare), loop start vs. ground start, etc.
Was lucky again and landed another skate job as a PM in CMG, then in 2007 got re-org'd into the chaos that is wireless, and due to my boss over-hiring was declared surplus in 2008.
As you can tell from my previous post, I'm scarred for life, just as I was warned during my first days in training for the SR position.
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