AEG spinner here in North America...

[bellalaundry]

I'm reviewing some stuff in my basement that I'm not using...anyone interested in this vintage AEG spinner? Otherwise, I'll throw it up on Kijiji.

It's 220v and spins at 2800. Some paint loss and scratches.

Maybe we can trade for something?

Whatcha think? You can email me using the one on file.

Guy

 

[launderess]

Doesn't look that much different than my spin dryer from Laundry Alternative.

 

[foraloysius]

I don't think AEG make these spindryers self anymore. They are just relabeled Thomas spin dryers IIRC.

http://www.robert-thomas.de/en/electrical-appliances/spin-dryers/spin-dryers

 

[bellalaundry]

I've

never heard of Thomas appliances...The vacuums on their site look interesting.

Guy

 

[tomturbomatic]

I wish it were possible to ship this from Canada to the US. I wonder if it spins much drier than the W1918?

 

[launderess]

Depends on final spin speed setting

If you use 1600 then depending upon fabric (thick towels compared to percale bed sheets), the you *might* squeeze a bit more moisture out of a load using a spin dryer. Enough to shave off an extra few minutes in the dryer, not much.

Real difference comes from using washers that only spin between say 800 to 1000 rpms.

My AEG Lavamat manual and IIRC many Miele washers list moisture retention rates by spin speeds. Greatest difference is going from say 800 to about 1200 rpms. Things drop off say between 1400 to 1800 (am going from memory of the charts), so that you are only removing a very small percentage more of moisture using very high spins. Thus using a spin dryer after 1400, 1600 or 1800 rpm spins probably isn't worth the bother.

Consider also the larger diameter of the washing machine tub versus spin can means the former removes more moisture even at at lower rpm IIRC.

What many who own spin driers do is keep their washers set to <1200 rpms and use the spinner for high speed extraction. This is supposed to save wear and tear on the washer.

I also like to use the spin dryer for small loads that neither my Miele or AEG will balance. Though now often just do them by hand with the laundry stomper and use the mangle to wring out.

 

[tomturbomatic]

I knew I could count on you, Launderess, for the correct information. I figured the larger diameter drum would give better results at lower speeds. I was wondering about using one of these as you suggested, after a lower spin speed setting. I stop the SQ FL after the first surge of the final spin, wait until the door unlocks, then load the stuff into one of the Mieles for a final spin. Wetter fabrics really pack down better for greater extraction, but then you have to consider that you have to catch everything the extractor spins out of the load so that could be a mess, also.  I spin the load of 5 bath sheets at 1600 rpm and they dry in 40 minutes.

Thanks again.

 

 

[launderess]

When doing mixed loads

Some textiles such as those made with Lycra, knits or others should not be subjected to long periods of high final spin speeds and or in the spin dryer. When first got my Laundry Alternative spinner soon found that out. T-shirts, undergarments, etc.. all stretched out of shape.

Thing hate about all domestic spin dryers is that the opening is rather small and thus loading large items like table or bed linens can pose a problem, more so if you are trying to avoid an unbalanced situation. At least the spinners on Easy Twin tubs like many commercial hydro-extractors have that center cone to assist in spreading things around sides of tub.

"stop the SQ FL after the first surge of the final spin, wait until the door unlocks, then load the stuff into one of the Mieles for a final spin."

Have been doing the same lately with the older Miele to save work on the old girl. Just take things out either after draining final rinse water or first pulse spin of finial series; then bung them into the spin dryer.

It is amazing that the spin dryer will get things done in <five minutes while the Miele or AEG takes ten or so. This is mostly because the final spins on washers are a series of pulse, or short full spins then stop to redistribute, then proceeding to the final full speed spin.

Thing to also note that even on many European front loaders the higher spin speeds (1600, 1800) are only for the final few minutes of overall spin cycle. This is why for some fabrics you *may* get more water extracted by putting the load into a spin dryer after coming out of the wash.

This is a very good article from a UK site about final spin speeds.

http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/.../2632-buying-help-the-great-spin-speed-debate

As you can see the laws of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly. The differences between water retention between 1400 and 2000 rpms is not that great and nearly nil from 1600 to 1800 rpms.

Then you have those who believe lower spin speeds are better for washing machines overall. http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/forums/topic/156-are-washing-machine-spin-speeds-a-con/

There might be some truth to this in that in Europe you can find plenty of "vintage" front loaders whose final spin speeds were no higher than say 800 rpms still chugging along.

 

[bajaespuma]

Ever since I lived in France I was hoping I could get one of those Miele extractors. The big one spins at only 1430 (compared to 2800 on the smaller ones). It's annoying that Miele USA doesn't import 120 v. 60 Hz versions of these. It seems that the home laundry market in this country is driven by the Detergent/Bleach/Softener producers rather than consumers.

 

[launderess]

Could be wrong

But don't think Miele makes stand alone spin dryers any longer.

Front loading washers with higher final spin speeds likely reduced the need I shouldn't wonder.

 

[foraloysius]

Miele stopped making spindryers years ago, just like their compact toploaders that didn't spin. The spindryers were made too to use them in combination with those toploaders.

 

[warmsecondrinse]

Regarding moisture retention: "Greatest difference is going from say 800 to about 1200 rpms."

 

Am I the only one who recalls washers being marketed as 'high efficiency' or 'energy saving' because they extracted more water, enabling the dryer to run less and thereby reducing energy consumption?

 

This was years ago, back when the energy crisis was actually called "The Energy Crisis".

 

Jim

 

[tomturbomatic]

Unfortunately all of the high rpm spin machines had disappeared from the US market by the late 60s ( the Frigidaire 1010 rpm machines) so we had nothing to help with the energy crisis except our one domestically-produced brand of front loading washer. The best our nation's brightest could come up with was cold water washing.

 

[bellalaundry]

Hey Louis...

Love to find one of those Miele top loaders over here! Do they ever pop up for sale on your side? Like to find a Miele spinner too!

Guy

 

[foraloysius]

Those toploaders are getting rare. I haven't seen one turn up in quite a while now. But the Miele spindryers turn up regularly, especially in Germany.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-miele-schleuder/k0

 

[launderess]

Have tried in vain for years to find one of those TL H-Axis

Washers being sold in North America, alas no such luck.

Am thinking the older ones without sensitive electronics would work well enough with our 60hz frequency. However now that a member as taken in an European Miele washer that seems quite happy on 60hz am beginning to wonder if all those years of warning people off such things wasn't needed.

You can find sellers of various top loading H-Axis washers by allowing "Worldwide" on your eBay searches, and some claim would ship to North America, but I have my doubts. Even if they will/would ship, unless the thing is packed and crated well shouldn't count upon it arriving damage free. Aside from that would be the cost.

We need to find someone moving house from Europe (military, diplomatic, employer sponsored move) that has room in a large shipping container....

 

[launderess]

High speed final spins

Never seemed a priority for American consumers, especially as tumble dryers became more common. Low utility rates (compared to Europe) meant housewives and others were perfectly happy "baking" moisture out of their laundry in very hot dryers.

Commercial/Laundromats were the same. Most did and still have front loaders with not so great final extraction. In the past you could find those huge Bock extractors but those are going away. Instead since many Laundromats make their money on dryers, you just bung the wet laundry into hot dryer until roasted.

Have stood watching persons load dryers at laundromats, set them to "high" and put in enough money for one and one half, two hours or more then just leave. Their laundry likely is dry long before one hour due to the high heat of dryers, the remaining time only serves to bake things to a crisp.

The Electrolux "crossover" dyers have sensors that will stop the dryer when load is dry. Some laundromat owners like this because it saves them energy costs from customers not over drying their wash. Sadly OTOH customers feel they have paid for two hours or whatever drying time and that is what they want to get.

 

[bellalaundry]

Laundress

I am lucky to have 2 top load H-Axis European ones. An AEG Lavamat (can't remember the model), and a Fust Novamatic.

Actually, I'm thinking about moving the AEG on...

 

[bellalaundry]

Louis...

There are a couple of industrial Miele spinners that look powerful! Do sellers on that site ever do shipping, or are you usually expected to pick up?

 

[foraloysius]

I have no idea, you would have to ask the seller. In the past however most sellers in Germany were only willing to ship within Germany.