All New Whirlpool Cabrio
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mrb627
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Commercial
Here is the commercial...
Here is the commercial...
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Im not a fan of toploaders but that's nice!
yogitunes
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I seen it too....while the impellor may seem a bit different than the past, I am curious as to its washing effectiveness of past versions....
outside of one wash cycle with a DeepWash, I don't see this any more than a new face lift on old technology....most likely still doesn't have a sprinkler, or add any more water to the load.....
and what?.....$500.00+++dollars for a machine with a DownyBall!
AND its gonna hold 4 baskets of laundry per load, the old version was barely effective at 1/2 basket!.....
they should to offer a double your money back guarantee that you will love its performance!.....Whirlpool offered a 6 month trial on the Calypso when it came out, love it or return it!....that's how I got mine....
outside of one wash cycle with a DeepWash, I don't see this any more than a new face lift on old technology....most likely still doesn't have a sprinkler, or add any more water to the load.....
and what?.....$500.00+++dollars for a machine with a DownyBall!
AND its gonna hold 4 baskets of laundry per load, the old version was barely effective at 1/2 basket!.....
they should to offer a double your money back guarantee that you will love its performance!.....Whirlpool offered a 6 month trial on the Calypso when it came out, love it or return it!....that's how I got mine....
mrb627
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F&P Design?
I hope this machine is based on the Fisher Paykel Smart Drive design!
I haven't gone through the manual yet. Might shed some more light on it...
Malcolm
I hope this machine is based on the Fisher Paykel Smart Drive design!
I haven't gone through the manual yet. Might shed some more light on it...
Malcolm
mrb627
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Observations...
1) No Downey Ball, dispenser in drawer.
2) No SOFTENER button. Must always rinse with softener enabled.
3) Deep Water isn't a cycle, it is a modifier to most cycles.
4) Five Cycle buttons on the left. How To's are modifiers.
5) Steam option, so there is a heater.
6) No hoses included!
7) No Sanitize certification, so Hot must be Warm.
Malcolm
1) No Downey Ball, dispenser in drawer.
2) No SOFTENER button. Must always rinse with softener enabled.
3) Deep Water isn't a cycle, it is a modifier to most cycles.
4) Five Cycle buttons on the left. How To's are modifiers.
5) Steam option, so there is a heater.
6) No hoses included!
7) No Sanitize certification, so Hot must be Warm.
Malcolm
I actually think it's quite amazing. Instead of x cycles, there are 6 selections on what you wash (I think it was mixed, casual, delicate, bulky, sheets&towels and darks) and 6 selections on how to wash it (Normal, Fast, Eco, Delicate, DeepWater and ColdWater wash).
It has a heater, a recirc (some Cabrios have one, I'm pretty sure) and a timed oxy dispenser.
At least on the UI side, it's one step ahead.
It has a heater, a recirc (some Cabrios have one, I'm pretty sure) and a timed oxy dispenser.
At least on the UI side, it's one step ahead.
mrb627
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Dryer
1) BIG 8.8 cu ft.
2) No Reverse Tumbling.
3) No drying rack.
4) Exhaust length seems shorter than expected.
Malcolm
1) BIG 8.8 cu ft.
2) No Reverse Tumbling.
3) No drying rack.
4) Exhaust length seems shorter than expected.
Malcolm
@mrb627 On point 7
Not sure about that. The NSF certification requires 4 consecutive minutes at a temperature of 160°F I think. No way to reach this without the use of a heater.
Though, on Normal mode, Hot will be Warm, I doubt this is true for all How To's.
And there are only 5 selections. I read the manual earlier this week.
Not sure about that. The NSF certification requires 4 consecutive minutes at a temperature of 160°F I think. No way to reach this without the use of a heater.
Though, on Normal mode, Hot will be Warm, I doubt this is true for all How To's.
And there are only 5 selections. I read the manual earlier this week.
Not a wash action I would like to have.
About the dryer....when did Whirlpool start putting that big bolt in the back of the dryer? And why? Looks like it would snag fabrics with a full load. There is a picture of the dryer in the first link that Malcolm provided. Last picture at the bottom of the page.
About the dryer....when did Whirlpool start putting that big bolt in the back of the dryer? And why? Looks like it would snag fabrics with a full load. There is a picture of the dryer in the first link that Malcolm provided. Last picture at the bottom of the page.
murando531
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I'm not a fan of the impeller style machines, but I do like what they've done to this one. The cycle and option selections remind me of the Kenmore from the POD 10/23/14, where the cycles are named Colors, Special Knits, etc. I'm also glad that the Deep Wash is an option that can be added to almost any cycle, so it gives the consumer a CHOICE to use the low water HE wash, or a more traditional cycle. I wonder if the new design of the wash plate is to give better "blooming" wash action in both low and high water situations.
I do see this as a step in the right direction. I'm glad that while Whirlpool is a large corporation, they are campaigning now to appreciate things like laundry and other chores, rather than trying to cover them up by saying "just push this button and forget it". Rather than saturate the machine with gimmicks and bells and whistles, everything on the control panel is something that will be useful in some form to any user. It also is without the need for WiFi and apps and other watered down features. I'm almost wanting to buy it right now haha.
If you haven't, you should go to their website and watch the video for their Every day, care. campaign. I like the message that they are relaying, especially because of how much I appreciate the work that goes into the things that are sometimes taken for granted.
I do see this as a step in the right direction. I'm glad that while Whirlpool is a large corporation, they are campaigning now to appreciate things like laundry and other chores, rather than trying to cover them up by saying "just push this button and forget it". Rather than saturate the machine with gimmicks and bells and whistles, everything on the control panel is something that will be useful in some form to any user. It also is without the need for WiFi and apps and other watered down features. I'm almost wanting to buy it right now haha.
If you haven't, you should go to their website and watch the video for their Every day, care. campaign. I like the message that they are relaying, especially because of how much I appreciate the work that goes into the things that are sometimes taken for granted.
mrb627
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Interesting Statement
Here is an interesting statement on their main page for this "NEW" technology...
"School administrators have found that students not having clean clothes to wear is a known contributor to truancy."
Is that right?
Malcolm
Here is an interesting statement on their main page for this "NEW" technology...
"School administrators have found that students not having clean clothes to wear is a known contributor to truancy."
Is that right?
Malcolm
New WP TL Impeller Washer
It looks like it is the F&P motor direct drive version of the WP Cabrio machine.
While these washers have been out for almost ten years now they have held up no better than the Calypso and certainly are more problematic about balancing and handling big loads than the Calypso. It should have the recirculating water pump system however, all the DD top load washers have had one.
It looks like it is the F&P motor direct drive version of the WP Cabrio machine.
While these washers have been out for almost ten years now they have held up no better than the Calypso and certainly are more problematic about balancing and handling big loads than the Calypso. It should have the recirculating water pump system however, all the DD top load washers have had one.
Bolt on back of the dryer ...
That's the steam nozzle, yes?
That's the steam nozzle, yes?
mrb627
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Nozzle
Not sure about the spray nozzle. Expected it the be higher on the bulkhead rather than dead center...
Wonder if there may eventually be a agitator model...
Malcolm
Not sure about the spray nozzle. Expected it the be higher on the bulkhead rather than dead center...
Wonder if there may eventually be a agitator model...
Malcolm
jerrod6
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I guess I just don't get it
Why are these any better than a plain old front load washer?
Why are these any better than a plain old front load washer?
pierreandreply4
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jerrod6
Jerrod6,
For some frontloaders are not a choice i may not like front loaders but for some it easyer using a topload washer right now i may have a frontload washer as a daily driver but the next washer me and my mom will buy will be the hubesch topload zwn432 model with matching dryer and also it depends on space where the washer is install. So far this new whirlpool looks great makes me wonder if they will offer an agitator model as well.
Jerrod6,
For some frontloaders are not a choice i may not like front loaders but for some it easyer using a topload washer right now i may have a frontload washer as a daily driver but the next washer me and my mom will buy will be the hubesch topload zwn432 model with matching dryer and also it depends on space where the washer is install. So far this new whirlpool looks great makes me wonder if they will offer an agitator model as well.
Cabrio Agitator Model?
I don't think you will ever see any new agitator machines introduced, WP had an agitator version of this washer earlier that has been discontinued.
Agitator washing of clothing is just not efficient [unless you reuse the wash water for at least three loads of clothing ], you just can't get users to use the huge quantities of detergents hot water etc needed for good cleaning, and if you do manage to use enough detergent for decent cleaning you use way too much water trying to rinse clothing in a deep rinse washer.
Fortunately for all mankind Agitator full fill washers are fast going the way of the incandescent light bulb.
I don't think you will ever see any new agitator machines introduced, WP had an agitator version of this washer earlier that has been discontinued.
Agitator washing of clothing is just not efficient [unless you reuse the wash water for at least three loads of clothing ], you just can't get users to use the huge quantities of detergents hot water etc needed for good cleaning, and if you do manage to use enough detergent for decent cleaning you use way too much water trying to rinse clothing in a deep rinse washer.
Fortunately for all mankind Agitator full fill washers are fast going the way of the incandescent light bulb.
Metal pin
I'm not sure if I'm right that I assume A440 ment that little pin in the middle back of the drum?
It would be a good place for a temperature sensor. It would not be affected by directed hot air streams or cold laundry.
For a water nozzle the place would not as good as direct hot air is needed to create the vapor.
An electric dryness sensor dosen't make sense as well as it would not have enough laundry contact.
I'm not sure if I'm right that I assume A440 ment that little pin in the middle back of the drum?
It would be a good place for a temperature sensor. It would not be affected by directed hot air streams or cold laundry.
For a water nozzle the place would not as good as direct hot air is needed to create the vapor.
An electric dryness sensor dosen't make sense as well as it would not have enough laundry contact.
murando531
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I don't recall ever needing to use huge quantities of laundry detergent or hot water in any washer in my lifetime, and most certainly not in the 2012 belt-drive Whirlpool I have now. I can load dirty clothes to the top of the basket, sometimes more, use a scoop or cap full of detergent to the line recommended on the box for either type of washer, and the clothes feel crisp and clean after one rinse. The only obstacle in the way is the long fated battle against the detergent manufacturers, one hugely guilty culprit being P&G, stripping the product we've always used with great results of its core ingredients, only to put them in a more expensive bottle with a fancier smell and name.
Regardless of front-load, top-load impeller, or top-load agitator styles, water's chemical makeup has not changed in the time humans have walked the earth. Scientists have not suddenly recoded its molecules to be more effective in lower quantities. It still takes water to clean, and it still takes water to flush detergent and left over dirt particles away.
Jumping to a different but related note, it's nice to see that some companies are putting the consumer's choice back into the machines. For too long a user has been forced to endure things like measly spray rinsing and luke-warm water when they need hot. So far, Speed-Queen is producing washers that now appease the DoE while still offering traditional cycles that work as people wish. With this new Whirlpool, it's now possible for any cycle to use deep water should it be desired, and having a heater built in will at least give steaming hot water when dirty diapers and soiled bedsheets need it most.
The bottom-line is that consumers should be able to use the machines they pay for as they see fit. It's up to the manufacturers to make sure that is possible while also making sure the machine CAN abide by energy restrictions under a regular basis. If you feel that your clothes are being sufficiently cleaned by half a gallon of water, more power to you. If you can't wear your clothes without itching unless they have gone through three deep rinse cycles, you should have the power to do so.
My grandmother washes a load of clothes that should be set to large on her plastic GE top-load, but is actually set at Extra Large, as she feels the clothes should roll freely. After the initial wash and rinse cycle, she sets the timer control to Heavy Soil again, without detergent, and lets the machine proceed through an entire wash and rinse again. I myself don't deem that many rinses necessary, as I'm happy with my washer's performance, but she feels more comfortable if she knows there is no more detergent residue left, and that's all that matters.
Regardless of front-load, top-load impeller, or top-load agitator styles, water's chemical makeup has not changed in the time humans have walked the earth. Scientists have not suddenly recoded its molecules to be more effective in lower quantities. It still takes water to clean, and it still takes water to flush detergent and left over dirt particles away.
Jumping to a different but related note, it's nice to see that some companies are putting the consumer's choice back into the machines. For too long a user has been forced to endure things like measly spray rinsing and luke-warm water when they need hot. So far, Speed-Queen is producing washers that now appease the DoE while still offering traditional cycles that work as people wish. With this new Whirlpool, it's now possible for any cycle to use deep water should it be desired, and having a heater built in will at least give steaming hot water when dirty diapers and soiled bedsheets need it most.
The bottom-line is that consumers should be able to use the machines they pay for as they see fit. It's up to the manufacturers to make sure that is possible while also making sure the machine CAN abide by energy restrictions under a regular basis. If you feel that your clothes are being sufficiently cleaned by half a gallon of water, more power to you. If you can't wear your clothes without itching unless they have gone through three deep rinse cycles, you should have the power to do so.
My grandmother washes a load of clothes that should be set to large on her plastic GE top-load, but is actually set at Extra Large, as she feels the clothes should roll freely. After the initial wash and rinse cycle, she sets the timer control to Heavy Soil again, without detergent, and lets the machine proceed through an entire wash and rinse again. I myself don't deem that many rinses necessary, as I'm happy with my washer's performance, but she feels more comfortable if she knows there is no more detergent residue left, and that's all that matters.
I couldn't find in the manual anywhere which shows which cycles/options the Steam and heater is an option. And if it was available when the option for higher amount of water is used.
yogitunes
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this could prove to be an interesting machine and setup.......
first of all, its a TIER 1 for Energy Efficiency.....that means it will use more water....
and the operating instructions are specific of not favoring ALL Cold washes.....warm/hot must be used for clothes cleaning as well as machine maintenance....that was interesting, and something we have been saying all along!
if it is along the F&P design, lets hope the function of the machine is as well, don't see a mention of a recirc/sprinkler, but alternating spin and wash will at least make sure detergent and water are saturated through the load....
I'd like to see one in action on a regular load....
first of all, its a TIER 1 for Energy Efficiency.....that means it will use more water....
and the operating instructions are specific of not favoring ALL Cold washes.....warm/hot must be used for clothes cleaning as well as machine maintenance....that was interesting, and something we have been saying all along!
if it is along the F&P design, lets hope the function of the machine is as well, don't see a mention of a recirc/sprinkler, but alternating spin and wash will at least make sure detergent and water are saturated through the load....
I'd like to see one in action on a regular load....
Isn't this the drum design that tore apart in some of the new Duets?
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?54382
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?54382
According to the parts list, this washer works like the other current Cabrio <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Platinum</span> models: recirculation pump and F&P-style Direct Drive motor.
The "pin" in the center of the drum is indeed a steam nozzle. The dryer is 2 1/4 inches deeper than other Cabrio dryers. The vent system:
mrb627
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Still...
They are a nice looking pair. Glad to see they have gotten away from those membrane switches that eventually fail. I wasn't sure that Whirlpool would step into the UBER TL market. Leaving it to the imports...
Malcolm
They are a nice looking pair. Glad to see they have gotten away from those membrane switches that eventually fail. I wasn't sure that Whirlpool would step into the UBER TL market. Leaving it to the imports...
Malcolm
New WP Washer and Dryer
About the only thing really new to these machines is the touch electronic control that does away with the troublesome membrane controls that Malcolm mentioned.
The nut looking thing in the middle of the dryer bulkhead is just a spray port that a fine mist of water comes out of for the steam feature, WP-KM has had this feature for about 10 years now.
WP builds dryers with three different style blowers, direct drive with the blower wheel mounted directly on the front or rear of the motor, this dryer has the blower on the front of the motor.
On some of their bigger dryers they either use a belt driven blower like Brent posted in reply # 22, on higher end models the blower has its own variable speed motor eliminating the belt. We have not seen many problems with these new systems, but they are more complicated and will be prone to some problems that you would not have with the blower mounted directly on the motor.
The excessive lint build-up pictured in reply#22-2 is typical of a dryer that is not vented properly [ or at all LOL ]. The pictured build-up has NOTHING to do with the design of this dryer, I have seen every dryer design imaginable is as bad a condition in my career. The picture Brent shows has also been doctored if you look at the duct at the bottom of the lint filter housing, you can see they stuffed hand fulls of lint in it before the picture was taken, lint would never built-up in clumps like that. For a dryer to be in this condition the area around the dryer would also about the same.
About the only thing really new to these machines is the touch electronic control that does away with the troublesome membrane controls that Malcolm mentioned.
The nut looking thing in the middle of the dryer bulkhead is just a spray port that a fine mist of water comes out of for the steam feature, WP-KM has had this feature for about 10 years now.
WP builds dryers with three different style blowers, direct drive with the blower wheel mounted directly on the front or rear of the motor, this dryer has the blower on the front of the motor.
On some of their bigger dryers they either use a belt driven blower like Brent posted in reply # 22, on higher end models the blower has its own variable speed motor eliminating the belt. We have not seen many problems with these new systems, but they are more complicated and will be prone to some problems that you would not have with the blower mounted directly on the motor.
The excessive lint build-up pictured in reply#22-2 is typical of a dryer that is not vented properly [ or at all LOL ]. The pictured build-up has NOTHING to do with the design of this dryer, I have seen every dryer design imaginable is as bad a condition in my career. The picture Brent shows has also been doctored if you look at the duct at the bottom of the lint filter housing, you can see they stuffed hand fulls of lint in it before the picture was taken, lint would never built-up in clumps like that. For a dryer to be in this condition the area around the dryer would also about the same.
mrb627
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Tub Light(s)
Seems that we have lost the ability to turn the drum lights on during operation on both of these machines. Too bad...
Malcolm
Seems that we have lost the ability to turn the drum lights on during operation on both of these machines. Too bad...
Malcolm
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