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FINALLY! I have been reading this thread waiting to tell you more about this machine! I've spent quite a bit of time on this machine so I am happy to answer as many questions as I can about it!

1) This is NOT an Oasis machine. It is not based on the Fisher & Paykel design. This is an entirely new platform. Yes, it does still use a BPM motor just like the Oasis machines.

2) The washer has a drawer type dispenser for detergent, softener, and oxi-bleach (on some models). There is a separate chlorine bleach dispenser that dumps into the tub like most washers have. (As opposed to dumping in the basket where the chemicals from the drawer go.)

3) The washer does have a recirculation spray. It comes from about the 4 or 5 o'clock postion.

4) The washer does not have a drum light (sadly).

5) The nozzle in the dryer is for water. It sprays a very fine mist on the clothes to create steam.

6) You couldn't turn the drum light on in the dryer for any of the Oasis match (Saguaro) dryers that had the Whirlpool label on them. You could on the Maytag Bravos though I believe.
 
Interior Lights: That seems to be happening with more and more brands/models. Whirlpool and Maytag front-loaders are two examples. The GE RightHeight model (spendy, of course) still allows the light on during operation, as do some LG models.

I'm starting to think I need to hang on to my 2010 Frigidaire pair as long as possible: No dumbed-down hot water; shorter Normal cycle time (44 vs. 80+); steam, allergen and sanitize water heating options; Max fill option (which I use on loads with liquid chlorine bleach); interior light can be switched on during cycle; most importantly, they're paid for, LOL!

As for the "What" and "How" controls: Merely different words describing the same controls all our washers have. "What" = Cycle; "How" = Options/Modifiers/Default Settings. Great electronic touch controls, though! Had them on my LG dishwasher and far preferred them to the membrane controls on the Frigidaire washer. Glassy and classy.

Edit: Thanks for the official update, Jamie! We always appreciate any inside information you can share with us.
 
New DD TL Whirlpool Washers

Thanks for the information Jamie, I discovered this morning when looking over the parts list that this machine is indeed quite different from previous F&P style washers.

The big difference that I see is the washer can agitate without filling the machine with enough water to cause the inner basket to float and disengage the basket from the drive shaft and only allow the impeller to be driven. This change may allow much smaller amounts of water to be used in this washer than the previous design.

It also appears that this new WP washer design now has an easy to change shaft,seal and bearing assembly. This will make this washer easier to keep running for longer service life as well as making it use even less energy than the previous design.

I say this is great news, thanks Jamie for your efforts on this new machine, and to think we knew when you were just 13 years old and now you are helping make the washers of tomorrow possible.
 
I HATE whirlpool and I'm not a huge fan of top load washers but I have to be fair and admit these machines have a breathtaking design.

it's probably the first time in my life that I can say "WOW" after seeing a new Whirlpool washer.

My only concern is... impeller again? Let me guess: this machine uses more water (2 teaspoons + 2 drops)
 
Nobody mentions impellers knotting sheets? My impeller certainly does. Reversing does not diminish it. Offset (off the tub axis) impellers don't but I haven't seen one of those since my 1973 Panasonic twintub and it would be very difficult to implement in a tub which also spins.
 
I think it's cool that

"deep water" is a modifier! That means you can choose a cycle and add deep water to that cycle if you want. I'm so glad that they are starting to give us more options like that on washers that they took away the past few years.
 
I think this post proves your knowleg about this type and design of washer...
The standard cycle is still the low water system (though we can suspect all deep rinses as the softner option lacks AFAIK). Yet, as seen on some lower end Maytags before, there is an option called DeepWater wash. If it works like on the Maytag conter part, it actually drasticly increases water levels.
And if you don’t exepct such: F&P do it since they have introduced low profile agitators (LPA).
(Side note: Technicly, it is not an impeller. Impellers turn faster and more than 720° arc. A LPA stays below 720° and spins slower.)
 
@a440
the dryer blower was designed like that for higher airflow and because i think those models of WP cabrio dryers did reverse tumbling but im not sure as for that pic with lint OMG that is horrid ..
 
Reverse Tumble Cabrio Dryers ?

I am not aware of any WP Cabrio dryers that reverse tumble and in my experience having a dryer reverse tumble is a complete waste of time that actually makes the dryer take longer to dry and causes more repair issues.

There is no need for a decent sized dryer to reverse tumble, there have only been about two US appliance makers that ever made a dryer that reverse tumbles and both were abandoned because it did not help and just caused problems.
 
Well murando531

if nothing else, this overwrought piece of plastic will certainly satisfy the eco-nazis and those who have consumed enough Kool Aid to believe that gee, after decades washing cotton/poly blends with lots of water, we surely don't need all that water (remember, according to the almighty UN delegation on climate change, there's a massive water shortage).

Bunk. That's all this is. Pure, unadulterated bunk.

As far as I am concerned, this is old wine in a new eco-sacntioned bottle.

And who in their right mind designed a belt drive to make a 90 degree turn like that on the dryer? Chevy tried it with the Corvair and those were notorious for eating belts.
 
Gee, we got it...

You need and want and belive in several hundreds of liters of water for washing. And if you think so, OK. No problem. Do what ever you want.
And yeah, I think we all got that in your opinion climate change does not exist, there is no water shortage and you just get tricked. If you want to belive this, do what ever you want.
We are really glad to hear your comments on design and build of that washer. Really, that dryer design seems somehow strange and clearly trys to cut cost for BOL dryers that are not equipped with an additional fan motor.
But please, do us and this forum the favor of not repeating the same point over and over, commenting in each post about the same thing, not contributing to the discussion about what the post is about.
If you want to talk about the non-sense of HE wash systems, open a thread about it! (Actually, I don't think there has been one dedicated thread about this topic...) Than everybody who wants to read about opinions on HE washing can read your opinion in the one specific topic and those who heared enough about your opinion don't have to read it in every second topic it does not belong in.
This post is about that particular HE wash system, not about HE washing. So don't say why HE washing does not work, say why this new washer can't work.
 
In all honesty henene4

I neglected to clarify my statement. Climate change in fact does exist. Has for centuries. Happens 4x a year where I live. We call it Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter. What do you folks in Germany call it?

And guess what, humans have no control over it. Big surprise eh?

Now back to the machines. I notice both have the now ubiquitous "sanitize" cycles. The use and care guide for the dryer states, in part, "*Extended high-heat drying cycle intended to help sanitize items such as sheets and towels. This cycle is not recommended for all fabrics".

Could this not be accomplished by setting an ordinary dryer to a longer heat cycle?

And what study, pray tell, indicates that our laundry is full of germs? Do we have conclusive proof that, gee, we're all sick to our stomachs because we're wearing germ laden clothes? Would you be so kind to direct me to a link stating this?

Like the sanitize cycle in our dishwashers (and mine has it too) it is a crock. What exists on your grubby hands? Bacteria and viruses! What floats around your house, yes even the kitchen? Same thing. So please tell me that unless you have a sophisticated air filtration system in your humble abode, the very second you take out your sanitized clothes or dishes, guess what........they're gonna be covered in germs! In other words they won't STAY sanitized.

Therefore, what is the point of having these cycles when your home and mine is far from a sanitized environment?

And what about the part in the washer manual that states the machine has to be cleaned every 30 cycles? Explain to me if you can how that is efficient? How does that negate my so-called "carbon footprint" when I have to buy additional cleaners which use raw materials, fossil fuels to make and transport, along with the wasted use of water and electricity in NOT doing laundry? That might make sense to somebody but it makes no sense to me.
 
Ok Washman its now VERY clear if it wasn't already before that your here to troll.

We've heard your opinions on every darn thread it seems and no amount of explaining time and time again from anyone here is going to work is it?

I mean you cant fix stupid right? So I see no reason for anyone to try and fix you.

Its a waste of time.

The suggestion of you to have your own thread is a very good idea then you can chat away merrily to yourself as you see fit and nobody else need see your pointless moaning.
 
90 Degree Twisted Blower Belt

This type of minor twist should cause little problem in terms of belt life, the forward-backwards twisting of of the drum drive belt of all dryers as they go around the motor pulley and then the idler pulley is far worse for belt life.

And if you really want to talk about bad design and belt life look no father than a SQ TL washer, last week we ran a call on one that was 6 months old where the pump got a sock caught in it. The plastic impeller drive stripped out and the washer continued to try spinning with water in the tub and the belt got so hot it melted the transmission drive pulley. So the washer needed a pump, belt and a transmission drive pulley.

Ben the Corvairs belt was quite a different situation, their belt was driving an alternator, large engine cooling fan in a hot oily engine compartment, and it was just an old school 1/2" V belt.
 
my apologies aquarius1984

Before I post next time, I'll be sure to get your blessing.

Sorry I have an opinion that differs from yours.

Don't like this thread? Fine. Then don't read it and more to the point, don't post on it.
 
Appliance Guru's now?

I just got in from running a couple errands. One of which took me inside my local Lowes. So, as I usually do, I strolled through the appliances section.

While there, I saw the latest Cabrio offering at $1100 for each piece w/d.

Before I could get away, I was approached by a woman who proclaimed herself as the appliance guru for Lowe's. We spoke about the machine and she conveyed her disappointment in Whirlpool not offering this machine with the direct drive system but rather the noisy belt drive.

Abruptly, she steered me to the TL LG machine with the controls on the front. Said these were the best machines on the market today. She opened the lid and said look at that all stainless interior.

It was then I interrupted her. "It's just so much plastic and feels so cheaply made." "Oh, they are all plastic now." I said, "That's not true" "Speed Queen is still built out of metal." She shrugged and stated, "Speed Queen? Are they still in business? You probably can't buy them anywhere."

Appliance Guru my eye!

Malcolm
 
Precisely the reason I already despise my job at Home Depot after only a month and a half, and I'm most likely walking out first thing tomorrow morning. They hired me after seeming impressed at the portfolio of machines I've restored, and the amount of mechanical and historical knowledge I have of appliances, and they gave all these promises of me being able to become Whirlpool tech certified so I could be a part of their technical service program, in addition to the opportunity of becoming department head and being able to really turn the place around and lead the markets. Nope. There's no such thing. The people I work with know nothing more than what the signs and brochures say. Everyone there seems to worship Samsung as the "leading appliance manufacturer", for what reason I don't know. Ask them about the difference between a washer with a direct drive inverter motor and one with a belt drive PSC; they know of no such thing. On top of that, the appliance department is part of the kitchen and bath department, and we're expected to cover that entire section, countertops, cabinets, plumbing, baths and showers, flooring, toilets, in addition to appliances. Maybe, MAYBE 1/10th of the customers I work with are actually for an appliance.

It's all about numbers and sales at these places. If a person can identify a washer and refrigerator, and read the signs posted above them, that's the only skill they need to become a "certified appliance specialist".
 
Additional Models?

According to this video, there is an additional model set arriving in the Spring.



Appears the dryer has four full baffles in the drum now.

Malcolm
 
Is the drain pump on this machine vertically mounted? Sounds like the rhythmic cavitating my WP WTW4800 makes.

I've been wondering about the drive system on these. I heard somewhere they were the VWM platform, which made no sense with it being their highest-end. We had one of the lower ends with the redesigned wash plate and tub out on the salesfloor, but I couldn't lift the tub, so it definitely was the belt-drive.
 

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