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better than our parents?

I hear the comment all the time of 'we are the first generation not to do better than our parents.'

Well, John, I daresay I'm about 20 years older than you, having been born in the middle sixties. Here is my spin on it:

The boomer generation, as a whole though not in all specifics, have spent their lives spending money they did not have. Is a 'millenial' worse off than his or her parents? Or will he be? I don't know. What does it mean to "own" a 400,000 dollar house, when you have less than 10% equity in it, because you continuously refinance to support a lifestyle of consumption? What does it mean to have NOTHING saved for retirement, when you are in your fifties or older? Is this 'well off'?

It was the boomer generation who gave us leveraged buyouts, pension fund raids, and the like. Their money has gone into consumption, not investment and wealth building.

We have SERIOUS issues in the USA right now. But I do not believe that it has always been rosy and is now crappy. Consider: One thing that made houses affordable in the 1950s was rising productivity of workers, and the selling of unfinished 'cape cod' style houses. How many newly built houses are 1200 square feet and have one bathroom?

I live in a ranch house built in 1962. It now has a finished basement (probably finished sometime in the seventies or eighties) and it now has two bathrooms. But I'm sure that the original house had one bathroom for the first twenty years or so of its life.

Part of the problem we have in America is that it is no longer possible to live the kinds of lives our parents lived in some instances because the choices they made aren't makable any longer.

I don't know how people afford their educations anymore. I worked my way through school about the time you were born and it was tough, very tough. It is harder now. Of course, I also think you have to ask "how many people do college on the cheap?" Go to a community college for your lower division courses, and transfer to a better named school for your junior/senior year. I did this. I got out of college owing -- wait for it! $600 in student loan debt. It *IS* true there was more financial aid then then now. But -- if the baby boomers are having trouble paying to put their kids through school, why isn't there clamoring for schools to be more efficient with their money? To have more endowments for lower income people? I don't know why there isn't more recognition of this UNLESS consumers of the education system (parents, mostly, because they pay for it) WANT education to be expensive to keep the 'riff raff' out.

It is my opinion - and folks, please don't flame me for my opinion - that an awful lot of the unbelievable fall in the standards of living of so many has come from a number of factors: Over consumption to start with (buying on credit means you don't 'own' the thing); fall in income may be related to lack of desire to improve your lot in life (as a nation rises up the food chain you MUST be better educated to succeed); and other out of control things that can happen (an uncovered large medical expense can EASILY bankrupt you).

Unfortunately, medical expsnses ae one of those things that we have little control over. I would like to know, however, how much of the percentage of cost of health insurance and health care comes from things like medications that are to correct problems that lifestyle changes could cure, or whether in other countries folks simply 'live with it.' (Irritable bowel syndrome, for example, can be a misdiagnosis of celiac sprue, Crohn's disease, or sedentary habits, but large numbers of expensive medications are sold to 'cure' it).

Nothing is easy, nothing is free....tanstaafl!

Nate
 
Food for thought....

Well said everyone!

Timonator, I just wonder if that was American beef you ate at BK on your American day out???
 
imho........

I too agree that the quality of American products are, let's just say: unsatisfactory. The applicances and cars built 40-70 years ago I think are much better. I still use my 1956 Westinghouse electric stove everyday; I vacuum my floors with a '52 Electrolux and the list goes on. "They don't make'm like they use to" is very true with me.

My father was a Chevrolet guy. His first car was a used '53 Belair that he put 150K miles on, and traded it in (I don't know what the trade-in value there would have been) for a new 1962 Impala SS. When it reached 247K miles, it was my mother that wanted something new.... a Volvo (they had nothing but troubles with that car, but that's another story).

When I was going to college 25 years ago, I was driving a very used '66 Chrysler... but it kept running. Except for the very minimal servicing I could afford, that boat just wouldn't die. When I was in the market for a new car, back in 2004, I first looked at American cars; I thought for sure I'd find one that I would like. For one reason or another I didn't like any of them -- they all felt plastic and cheap quality. I chose a Mazda 6 and I couldn't be happier.
 
thanks!

John --

I'm not disagreeing with you either. I just wonder where a lot of this data is coming from ; my background is mathematics and logic so this makes me want to analyze EVERYTHING.

People AREN'T doing as good as they once did and I think that the issues there are mostly around education: knowing how to use time and money, knowing how not to get suckered into things that aren't good for you, etc. We definitely have a crisis in the USA -- but I don't think it is the crisis that everyone thinks it is.

I remember the 70s and as annoying as the current high prices of everything is -- this isn't bad. Then again, I'm fortunately enough to be employed, and many people aren't and are struggling, so...
 
LOL American Beef!

I'm not sure on that one...I hope so! Maybe a little mad cow disease to go with it! LOL This Thread is CRAZY LOL Im begining to wonder what the "record" is for responses! BTW my GE is working Great. Things are getting better in Ohio...Just ask Hillary!
 
American beef is awesome!

Being a happy beef eater, American beef is awesome! Especially broiled in my US manufactured Kitchenaid Range, eaten on my US manufactured Corelle dishes, which are then washed in my US manufactured Whirlpool dishwasher :)

(In 1996 I bought an Asko dishwasher as I had an Asko washer. The dishwasher was terrible. When it finally died in 2003 I replaced it with a Whirlpool which worked much better).

Of course, I also wear US made shoes, US made socks, and US made clothes (when I can find them). I drive my US made Ford F150 as well :)

Nate
 
I think Nate hit many points right on the head. Personally speaking, I think I have it much better than my parents did. But that's because I made specific choices that helped me get there. Some of these choices involved hard work, serious time commitments, and responsibility. It was all worth it to me. Today, I see more and more people with a sense of entitlement and no staying power. Maybe it's just me, but no one ever told me or taught me that success was easy or that it was going to just be handed to me. No one told me that I should look for handouts to get by, or heaven forbid, live above my means. Yes, stuff happens, and some of it we don't necessarily have control over. But let's face it, we also make choices, and whether we like it or not, we have to live with the consequences of those choices, and so too must other people affected by those choices. And why are people who have made responsible financial decisions always expected to subsidize those who can't, or won't, get their shit together? The current subprime mortgage "crisis" is a good example of this. You bought it but you can't afford it...tough.
 
Yes, the sense of entitlement just bewilders me. It goes against everything i believe and how i was raised.
These last UAW union shenanigans really made me realize how profound the sense of entitlement is in the US, especially in the midwest.

Nate, I was not using any hard facts for my assumptions. That's all they were, assumptions based on general "feelings" of things.
One thing's for damn sure. Saving our money will either make or break my generation. We better learn how to do it or we're screwed.
 
HUH??

Exactly what UAW shenanigans are you referring to? What entitlement? A decent paying job? What exactly would you do if you went into work tomorrow and was told your job now payed 1/2 of what it did yesterday -- would you just smile and say "Thank you sir!"?

As things get tighter I don't see a problem with give backs but it needs to be equatable. If you are asking me to cut my wages then you sure as hell better cut the Pres. and VP's compensation too --not give them multi million $$ bonuses.

This country can't survive without a vibrant, growing middle class and it appears there is a concerted effort to eliminate that sector of the economy.
 

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